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From the Republican Party Platform at the 2000 convention:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/conventions/republican/features/platform.00/

"The arrogance, inconsistency, and unreliability of the administration's diplomacy have undermined American alliances, alienated friends, and emboldened our adversaries."


"Nor should the intelligence community be made the scapegoat for political misjudgments. A Republican administration working with the Congress will respect the needs and quiet sacrifices of these public servants as it strengthens America's intelligence and counter-intelligence capabilities and reorients them toward the dangers of the future."


"The current administration has casually sent American armed forces on dozens of missions without clear goals, realizable objectives, favorable rules of engagement, or defined exit strategies. Over the past seven years, a shrunken American military has been run ragged by a deployment tempo that has eroded its military readiness. Many units have seen their operational requirements increased four-fold, wearing out both people and equipment."


"The rule of law, the very foundation for a free society, has been under assault, not only by criminals from the ground up, but also from the top down. An administration that lives by evasion, coverup, stonewalling, and duplicity has given us a totally discredited Department of Justice."


"Sending our military on vague, aimless, and endless missions rapidly saps morale. Even the highest morale is eventually undermined by back-to-back deployments, poor pay, shortages of spare parts and equipment, inadequate training, and rapidly declining readiness."

On Clinton's military action in Kosovo:

"President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy." -- Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)


"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it." -- Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99


"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy." -- Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush


"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area." -- Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)


"You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo." -- Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99


"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years" -- Joe Scarborough (R-FL)


"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?" -- Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99


"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." -- Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)


"This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem." -- Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)

Tom DeLay. Defender of feeding tubes. Keeper of lobbiest bribes. Master of sanctimony.

On Kosovo:

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy." -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today" -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


"You can support the troops but not the president" -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly." -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

On Bosnia:

"The President now needs to show leadership, consistently and with great clarity, from devising an exit strategy to developing favorable rules of engagement, from defining the criteria of success to detailing the timetables of operations. We have learned the hard way in this country that muddled military missions lacking clear leadership hurt our national credibility while putting our troops in harm's way." -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
 
So? All people like that will support their team and put down the other, the only thing of interest here is that you think it only happens with one side.
 
Foxtrot said:
So? All people like that will support their team and put down the other, the only thing of interest here is that you think it only happens with one side.
That's honestly your defense?
 
Funny how in 10 years the bottom half will all be quotes from nolimits offensive anti-freedom remarks.
 
Glirk Dient said:
Funny how in 10 years the bottom half will all be quotes from nolimits offensive anti-freedom remarks.
LOL, what is wrong with you people? Your remarks on this board are more and more absurd with each passing day. Do me a favor and just stay out of my threads from now on; you really aren't doing yourself nor any other republican any good when you open your mouths.
 
You can pretty much get a similar theme of quotes from various Democratic party members. It's the most stupid thing about American politics "I'm against this because the other party is for it".
 
No Limit said:
LOL, what is wrong with you people? Your remarks on this board are more and more absurd with each passing day. Do me a favor and just stay out of my threads from now on; you really aren't doing yourself nor any other republican any good when you open your mouths.

Thanks, not everyone attempts to be political god by changing everyones views and hating others and freedom just because their party doesn't. I honestly could care less about political partys, people need to learn to have their own political views. If you pair an intelligent liberal with an intelligent conservative, they will debate forever, so debating online will get people equally no where. Apparently you don't realize this.
 
Ooh that's some pretty RADICAL thinking! I like how this in no way affects anything other than making you look like just another politician. Good job on making a thread solely for the purpose of putting the other side down!

*Applause*
 
Feath said:
You can pretty much get a similar theme of quotes from various Democratic party members. It's the most stupid thing about American politics "I'm against this because the other party is for it".
Thank you, No Limit is just too full of himself and his party lines to see that.
 
Spare me, yes I hate freedom. If this is your idea of a constructive debate like I said, just stay out of any thread that has to do with politics. I do hope you realize you aren't defending your party when you say such idiotic remarks. Everyone that disagrees with US foreign policy or with Bush, despite how much they have done to get in to this great country, hates his country.

Ooh that's some pretty RADICAL thinking! I like how this in no way affects anything other than making you look like just another politician. Good job on making a thread solely for the purpose of putting the other side down!

*Applause*
Yeah, calling someone on their bullshit is extreme radical thinking. When republicans claim liberals hate their country or freedom (as the idiotic example above) we should just sit back and let it happen to avoid putting down that side. What the hell is wrong with some posters on this board?

You can pretty much get a similar theme of quotes from various Democratic party members. It's the most stupid thing about American politics "I'm against this because the other party is for it".
Not that extreme. Unless of course you have some examples to prove me wrong. If I am wrong I will admit those Democrats are hypocrites, something not a single Republican poster has been willing to do. They simply brush it off as "oh well, just politics". No its not politics, it is out right immoral lying and hypocracy at its best. The republican party platform was saying Clinton was horrible for sending troops in to a country where we could be for decades and where we don't have an exit plan. I admit that Clinton was wrong on that. None of you Kool-aide drinking Bush apologists will admit that Bush was also very wrong, instead you post some bullshit about hating freedom and how all politicians do this.
 
Glirk Dient said:
anti-freedom remarks.

At least make an argument with some factual content and a caseline instead of spewing valueless media catchphrases and buzzwords such as those.
 
I get the feeling No Limit is a big Pinky Demon who goes around trying to change the world with his attention whoring freedom hating ideas on a politics forum, in which the participants, such as myself, really just want to see the Doom Marine fire a shell into his skull and replace the forum with something a bit less hate provoking.

Really, this thread has gotten you no where, except maybe (or maybe not) you've figured out by now that there are far better places to rant. Like this empty room.

This thread is not a debate, it's a blatant bash, and only spawns more bashing because everyone has in their own little mind their own little idea about their own little agendas. Take your complaints to Congress, please?
 
I posted it a few weeks ago its a very good and totally reminds me of this forum
 
bliink said:
At least make an argument with some factual content and a caseline instead of spewing valueless media catchphrases and buzzwords such as those.

You may have missed the point. What I was getting at is the other side is just as guilty for being hippocrits.
 
Pesmerga said:
Really, this thread has gotten you no where, except maybe (or maybe not) you've figured out by now that there are far better places to rant. Like this empty room.
No, its gotten me very far and gotten you nowhere. Believe it or not people that haven't drank the republican Kool-aide (about 70% of the country) aren't swayed by "you hate freedom" or "you need to die"; they are swayed by constructive arguments. Maybe you don't understand the difference so let me help you.

This is constructive:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1475470&postcount=1

This is idiotic:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1475515&postcount=4

This is constructive:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1475470&postcount=1

This is idiotic:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1475583&postcount=8

Let me know if you have any questions, I'll be happy to clear them up for you.
 
Glirk Dient said:
You may have missed the point. What I was getting at is the other side is just as guilty for being hippocrits.

There's a constructive way to do it, and a non-constructive way. Was just a friendly pointer.
 
Umm, yes I have one. Have you ever read a conservative...or well anything that doesn't say exactly what you want it to say...to be true, or not a lie and therefore worthless?

Funny how people just let you be NoLimit...you calling everything a lie is more idiotic than your examples, your are the most close minded person I know. What's worse is you simply call everything that refutes what you believe a "lie" to invalidate it and make you t3h supr3m3 rul3r of t3h int4rw3b p0l1t1cs.
 
Glirk Dient said:
Umm, yes I have one. Have you ever read a conservative...or well anything that doesn't say exactly what you want it to say...to be true, or not a lie and therefore worthless?

Funny how people just let you be NoLimit...you calling everything a lie is more idiotic than your examples, your are the most close minded person I know. What's worse is you simply call everything that refutes what you believe a "lie" to invalidate it and make you t3h supr3m3 rul3r of t3h int4rw3b p0l1t1cs.
Stop it, you are making me fall on my ass from joy. If all republicans sound like you by 06 and 08 this country will be a much better place.
 
No Limit said:
Stop it, you are making me fall on my ass from joy. If all republicans sound like you by 06 and 08 this country will be a much better place.

Keep on topic
 
bliink said:
I tried this approach, and they won't listen while there's still a spot on teh intarweb to whine.

See: Red Vs Blue; Internet Vs Real Life


we dont need to find wmd we just need to want to find them ....that's the way it works!! I voted for Nadar! I hate everyone



yup that pretty much sums it up :LOL:
 
bliink said:
Keep on topic
sorry, got a little carried away but honestly, how else could I respond to that? *shrugs* Nevermind, I'll just ignore it from now on.
 
Let me know if you have any questions, I'll be happy to clear them up for you.
Yeah just one, what does Elmers Glue taste like? Personally, I'm doing my best to put you arseholes out of the whining business. Maybe if I make enough "idiotic replies" I'll convince you to stop making threads like this.

If you REALLY want to devote your entire life to politics, go to a POLITICS FORUM. Ya know, where the entire site is dedicated to containing this stuff?
If not, don't post this in hopes that you'll get praised because you are the holy divine Republican hater.

Either way, this shit shouldn't start in the first place.
 
CptStern said:
we dont need to find wmd we just need to want to find them ....that's the way it works!! I voted for Nadar! I hate everyone



yup that pretty much sums it up :LOL:

Who cares about WMDs? Those people were in need of help, you must have seen all the crap on the news sadam kept doing to his people. We should have tried to get that dictator out a lot sooner and help those people from that genocidal maniac.
 
Pesmerga said:
Yeah just one, what does Elmers Glue taste like? Personally, I'm doing my best to put you arseholes out of the whining business. Maybe if I make enough "idiotic replies" I'll convince you to stop making threads like this.
Nope, wont happen. I have enough passion about speaking out that you won't silence me. I think of your idiotic posts that don't add anything to the discussion as just minor distractions.
If you REALLY want to devote your entire life to politics, go to a POLITICS FORUM. Ya know, where the entire site is dedicated to containing this stuff?
If not, don't post this in hopes that you'll get praised because you are the holy divine Republican hater.
I hardly want to devote my life to politics. I am here to talk politics in a politics board; if you dont like it take it up with Munro.
Either way, this shit shouldn't start in the first place.
Reread this:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1475615&postcount=12 (second quote)

I am kind of sick of repeating myself; I would hope you all would pay a little more attention.
 
Glirk Dient said:
Who cares about WMDs? Those people were in need of help, you must have seen all the crap on the news sadam kept doing to his people. We should have tried to get that dictator out a lot sooner and help those people from that genocidal maniac.



ummmm

"we dont need to find wmd we just need to want to find them ....that's the way it works!! I voted for Nadar! I hate everyone"

is from the video bliink posted
 
Pesmerga said:
Yeah just one, what does Elmers Glue taste like? Personally, I'm doing my best to put you arseholes out of the whining business. Maybe if I make enough "idiotic replies" I'll convince you to stop making threads like this.

Many have tried that approach too, they are all banned. ;)

Pesmerga said:
If you REALLY want to devote your entire life to politics, go to a POLITICS FORUM. Ya know, where the entire site is dedicated to containing this stuff?
If not, don't post this in hopes that you'll get praised because you are the holy divine Republican hater.

I concur.

Pesmerga said:
Either way, this shit shouldn't start in the first place.

Kid + Internet connection + Forum = faceless and unending flamewar over politics at someone else's expense. :hmph:
 
CptStern said:
ummmm

"we dont need to find wmd we just need to want to find them ....that's the way it works!! I voted for Nadar! I hate everyone"

is from the video bliink posted

Oh...didn't watch it.

Anyways...heres your link NoLimit...I re edited an earlier post and you may have missed it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646435.shtml

There, it shows that you can claim both sides flip flop. Whether they really do, or it just sounds like they are no one knows. Saying one side is nothing but hippocrits is simply dumb, generalizations just don't hold.
 
So No Limit, what your ULTIMATE goal here is to gain approval to overthrow the Republican party? If it's not, then this thread is even more pointless than I thought.
 
Glirk Dient said:
Oh...didn't watch it.

Anyways...heres your link NoLimit...I re edited an earlier post and you may have missed it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646435.shtml

There, it shows that you can claim both sides flip flop. Whether they really do, or it just sounds like they are no one knows. Saying one side is nothing but hippocrits is simply dumb, generalizations just don't hold.
Instead of switching the topic to something else I'll simply say Kerry's position on Iraq was obsolutely wrong and it is the reason he didn't have my vote in the primaries. Happy? Now your turn to condamn Bush and any other hypocritical Republican including Tom Delay.
 
Pesmerga said:
So No Limit, what your ULTIMATE goal here is to gain approval to overthrow the Republican party? If it's not, then this thread is even more pointless than I thought.
we are done with that discussion, thank you, come again.
 
I don't think Bush should have used WMDs as the biggest reason to go to war. He should have known sadam would either hide them really well or not have them. He should have used helping people as the biggest point, people would say "So what..not your problem it's theirs" but since he went without UN approval it wouldn't have mattered and would only make him look better that he really wanted to help those people and get sadam out. There, I said it...bush isn't a great president but he isn't bad either...only a bad speaker hah.
 
Glirk Dient said:
I don't think Bush should have used WMDs as the biggest reason to go to war. He should have known sadam would either hide them really well or not have them. He should have used helping people as the biggest point, people would say "So what..not your problem it's theirs" but since he went without UN approval it wouldn't have mattered and would only make him look better that he really wanted to help those people and get sadam out. There, I said it...bush isn't a great president but he isn't bad either...only a bad speaker hah.
So what you are saying is he is a hypocrite for calling anyone that disagrees with him a traitor and he lied to get us in to war as you just said he knew there was a good chance there would be no WMDs; contradicting what he said here:

http://www.rotten.com/library/history/war/wmd/saddam/
1 Nov 2002 During a speech at the Pease International Tradeport Airport in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, President George W Bush declares: "Saddam Hussein is a man who has told the world he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction, and yet he deceived the world. He's got them... We know he's got chemical weapons, probably has biological weapons."
Secretary of State Colin Powell declares: "I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now."
 
No Limit said:
Instead of switching the topic to something else I'll simply say Kerry's position on Iraq was obsolutely wrong and it is the reason he didn't have my vote in the primaries.

That is ENTIRELY my point. I'm very glad you posted that, and I've gained respect for you and I hope I've not lost you on this. This is the very science and fundamentals of political parties. Where one side can praise some of their opponent's ideas and detest others and throw away their pride and dignity, accepting defeat at points and pushing for their own when they feel strong about it! That's the goal, that's the reason we have parties. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there who debate simply to win. They are unable to accept defeat because they fear that will make them look inferior as males. But people need to realize, hardly anyone actually thinks that way about other people, and those who honestly do are afraid themselves.

Anyway, apologies for the harsh posts previously, I just figured you were another one of those "types" that had to be dealt with quickly. The fault lays on me.
 
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