Once again another Islamic terrorism thread.

[Adidajs]

i'm reading yahoo and see that the chechen rebels taped their kidnapping of the russian schoolchildren. i found a photo of a woman in arab garb with bombs inside the school. I'm already pissed about the Chechen rebels killing children and this just sets me off. they killed about 350 mostly kids. i'm floored.
question: why aren't arab leaders condemning this attack? how in the f#$% is this ever justified? did you guys know arab leaders worldwide condemned the capture of two french journalists because the French are more buddy buddy with arabs? they didn't say anything about this.
Islam is dragged through the f-ing mud and no one says anything? i really really need to ignore all news because i'm coming to some bigoted conclusions and i don't like it.

oh and apparently if you're muslim, you can't be a republican. yeah, a muslim physician and his wife from colorado set up a booth championing Bush/Republicans at a muslim convention and there was widespread condemnation of it. ooops.

I hate terrorism especially that which targets children. I'm sorry, but i have abso-f-ing-lutely no sympathy for Chechnya's situation now. none-at-all.

why can't more people have simple concerns like "when's hl2 coming out?" and "will i get in stalker's multiplayer beta?"
why?
this thread probably needs to be closed because a million have been started about islamic extremism, i just feel like venting. i love kids. they shouldn't have to worry about masked men with guns. they should be concerned with their math homework, and video games, and ice cream.

 

[CyberSh33p]

what we need is a massive scale military operation in collaboration with europe where we send millions of troops into the middle east, take it over, stamp out the terrorists best we can, and then set our sights on sweden.

 

[KidRock]

Why arent arab leaders condeming these attacks? hell they are probley funding them


(i also agree Stern will come in and give a witty comment about bush and completely go off course of the thread)

 

[CyberSh33p]

I have an idea, lets change this into the bash Cpt. Stern thread! whoo!

 

[KidRock]

I have an idea, lets change this into the bash Cpt. Stern thread! whoo!

heh why not? He will soon come in and turn it into a bush bashing thread

 

[Korgoth]

Yes why do we have to worry about terrorists, why do children die, thousands and thousands daily from starvation and preventable disease? This is just as terrible yet we do nothing, and shed no tears for the children born into poverty. Fact is, we will never solve all the problems that plague us, disease, hunger, terrorism, war, corruption, pollution, tyrants/dictators... What are we to do?

 

[Adidajs]

Yes why do we have to worry about terrorists, why do children die, thousands and thousands daily from starvation and preventable disease? This is just as terrible yet we do nothing, and shed no tears for the children born into poverty. Fact is, we will never solve all the problems that plague us, disease, hunger, terrorism, war, corruption, pollution, tyrants/dictators... What are we to do?

that happened under Saddam, yet democrats and liberals refuse to acknowledge any good from our invasion of Iraq. Remember Michael Moore portrayed children having fun flying a kite under Saddam's regime. No, detractors will point to our embargo of Iraq as the reason for the starvation of children. Forget that Saddam was their leader. he would rather oppose the US at every turn and embezzle funds from the Food for Oil program.

 

[Korgoth]

You think children in iraq are the only ones starving? Where the hell did you get iraq out of my entire reply? You need to wake up. There are starving/diseased and dying kids all over this planet, some even in the U.S.! There are tyrants and dictators all over this planet violating basic human rights, not just in the middle east. Don't turn this into liberal vs. conservative/political thread. I've never argued that saddam wasn't a bad man, he was evil, pure evil, but he isn't alone so don't even start with me.

 

[gh0st]

Yes why do we have to worry about terrorists, why do children die, thousands and thousands daily from starvation and preventable disease? This is just as terrible yet we do nothing, and shed no tears for the children born into poverty. Fact is, we will never solve all the problems that plague us, disease, hunger, terrorism, war, corruption, pollution, tyrants/dictators... What are we to do?

heres an excellent outlook folks. this is a typical liberal attitude. their logic is, "if we ignore the problem, it will go away!" or "why do we fight other peoples battles?" or how about "theres so many problems in the world. we cant do a damn thing about them, so lets not even try"

what an unamerican attitude.

fact is, this is hardly comparable to world hunger, disease, and poverty in scope and scale. should we not have made the effort to capture bin laden, simply because we should be focusing on feeding some tyrant dictators children? of course not. america and the companies it fosters gives billions to foreign countries; most of stolen by dictators and used for themselves. the real answer to the problems you list is installing proper governments, and ensuring that the tyrants who run corrupt regimes are no longer in power, torturing their people. 1 down.

 

[Korgoth]

heres an excellent outlook folks. this is a typical liberal attitude. their logic is, "if we ignore the problem, it will go away!" or "why do we fight other peoples battles?" or how about "theres so many problems in the world. we cant do a damn thing about them, so lets not even try"

what an unamerican attitude.

fact is, this is hardly comparable to world hunger, disease, and poverty in scope and scale. should we not have made the effort to capture bin laden, simply because we should be focusing on feeding some tyrant dictators children? of course not. america and the companies it fosters gives billions to foreign countries; most of stolen by dictators and used for themselves. the real answer to the problems you list is installing proper governments, and ensuring that the tyrants who run corrupt regimes are no longer in power, torturing their people. 1 down.

Oh **** you ghost, seriously. I didn't ignore the problem you douche, AT THE END OF MY REPLY I WROTE "WHAT ARE WE TO DO?"..

And if you need that explained a little better, here goes... I'm searching for the answer, asking the question. NOT JUMPING ON THE FIRST ****ED UP SOLUTION THAT COMES TO MIND.... "hey lets bomb the shit out em' stupid arabs, who cares if we kill children and women in the process and bring terror to them, even though they are innocent. Hell we are bound to kill a few fundamentalists in the process."

Sound brilliant. :angry: Yeah, and also pull a page for the bush campaign and call me "un American" thats bound make me look like i'm wrong. You're such a dickhead.

 

[gh0st]

Oh **** you ghost, seriously. I didn't ignore the problem you douche, AT THE END OF MY REPLY I WROTE "WHAT ARE WE TO DO?"..

And if you need that explained a little better, here goes... I'm searching for the answer, asking the question. NOT JUMPING ON THE FIRST ****ED UP SOLUTION THAT COMES TO MIND.... "hey lets bomb the shit out em' stupid arabs, who cares if we kill children and women in the process and bring terror to them, even though they are innocent. Hell we are bound to kill a few fundamentalists in the process."

Sound brilliant. :angry:

Fact is, we will never solve all the problems that plague us, disease, hunger, terrorism, war, corruption, pollution, tyrants/dictators

seems like that sort of kills your last statement, "what are we to do". if we cant solve it whats the point of trying, right? you bring up the iraq war (well, what i could decipher from your basically incoherant post) saying its purpose was to

"hey lets bomb the shit out em' stupid arabs, who cares if we kill children and women in the process and bring terror to them, even though they are innocent. Hell we are bound to kill a few fundamentalists in the process."

try looking at the iraq war posts that have already been made please. i think its basically been established life is better under their own self governance than it was under saddam.

edit: and dont be such a baby next time. id preferred to have stuck on topic, and not to devolve this into some generic political debate.

 

[Korgoth]

I never said it was pointless to try. We never will solve all of our problems, if you know of a way to end world hunger, pollution, corruption, terrorism, and make this a utopian society i'd really love to hear it, along with the rest of the human race. No its not pointless to try, far from it. But so far we haven't accomlished it yet, so i propose, WHAT ARE WE TO DO?

Why do you insist on turning this thread into another iraq debate? WHY? I wasn't the one who strayed this off topic.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I gotta agree with innervision here. Let's leave the politics out of this.

And he's right, the world is far from perfect. Terrorism may be bad, but it's mostly looking the worst because it gets more airtime than the much more deadly forces of starvation and poverty.

 

[gh0st]

I never said it was pointless to try. We never will solve all of our problems, if you know of a way to end world hunger, pollution, corruption, terrorism, and make this a utopian society i'd really love to hear it, along with the rest of the human race. No its not pointless to try, far from it. But so far we haven't accomlished it yet, so i propose, WHAT ARE WE TO DO?

Why do you insist on turning this thread into another iraq debate? WHY?

just because things arent 'utopian' doesnt justify any kind of nonaction. i think that because of this attack, russia will take a more aggressive role (with the united states) in taking out terrorists. while that is just 1 of the many problems plaguing the earth (of which there will always be tons of). the solution to all your problems sans pollution is regime change is countries run by tyrants, under who the people suffer. legitimate leaders should be supported as much as possible (which i think the US does a very good and proactive job of doing).

i wasent turning it into another iraq war debate. i was just replying to your posts. in fact, your the first one who mentioned iraq so i dont know what youre talking about.

 

[blahblahblah]

question: why aren't arab leaders condemning this attack? how in the f#$% is this ever justified? did you guys know arab leaders worldwide condemned the capture of two french journalists because the French are more buddy buddy with arabs? they didn't say anything about this.

Meh, haven't bothered to read this thread. Though I thought I would say this.

Have you looked to see if Arab leaders have condemed this attack? Just because it is not on the front page of CNN.com, doesn't mean that they never opposed it. Dig deeper into this and see what really happened.

 

[Korgoth]

just because things arent 'utopian' doesnt justify any kind of nonaction. i think that because of this attack, russia will take a more aggressive role (with the united states) in taking out terrorists. while that is just 1 of the many problems plaguing the earth (of which there will always be tons of). the solution to all your problems sans pollution is regime change is countries run by tyrants, under who the people suffer. legitimate leaders should be supported as much as possible (which i think the US does a very good and proactive job of doing).

i wasent turning it into another iraq war debate. i was just replying to your posts. in fact, your the first one who mentioned iraq so i dont know what youre talking about.

You know you could try actually reading the thread next time and you would clearly see that I didn't bring Iraq up. IN FACT:

that happened under Saddam, yet democrats and liberals refuse to acknowledge any good from our invasion of Iraq. Remember Michael Moore portrayed children having fun flying a kite under Saddam's regime. No, detractors will point to our embargo of Iraq as the reason for the starvation of children. Forget that Saddam was their leader. he would rather oppose the US at every turn and embezzle funds from the Food for Oil program.

The I replied:

You think children in iraq are the only ones starving? Where the hell did you get iraq out of my entire reply? You need to wake up. There are starving/diseased and dying kids all over this planet, some even in the U.S.! There are tyrants and dictators all over this planet violating basic human rights, not just in the middle east. Don't turn this into liberal vs. conservative/political thread. I've never argued that saddam wasn't a bad man, he was evil, pure evil, but he isn't alone so don't even start with me.

If you can't comprehend this, I don't think I can lay it out any more clearly. I didn't bring Iraq into this. And I never proposed inaction.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Where do I sign up to go hunt down and kill terrorists? Oh wait a minute... ;-)

 

[Cybernoid]

question: why aren't arab leaders condemning this attack?

Islam "authorities" (leaders, scholars and such) have condemned the attack several times.

 

[Cybernoid]

what an unamerican attitude.

Holy shit, Batman, my stupidity meter just went off the scale!

america and the companies it fosters gives billions to foreign countries;

Companies don't give money, they take money, usually from developing countries. This is supposed to be common knowledge by now.

i think its basically been established life is better under their own self governance than it was under saddam.

It's been established that people enjoy living in a war zone? Huh?

legitimate leaders should be supported as much as possible (which i think the US does a very good and proactive job of doing).

A very good job indeed. CIA has assassinated/overthrown democratically chosen leaders in the past for economic reasons.

 

[el Chi]

question: why aren't arab leaders condemning this attack? how in the f#$% is this ever justified? did you guys know arab leaders worldwide condemned the capture of two french journalists because the French are more buddy buddy with arabs? they didn't say anything about this.

Not strictly true. I'm not sure about Arab leaders condemning this, but I imagine that if they did not, it's probably more to do with the fact that the Chechen terrorists are not claiming to fight a Muslim cause, they just happen to be Muslim - there's a huge difference.
It's a sign of the times that these terrorists' actual motives get overshadowed by some of their members' religion - they're not terrorists because they're Muslim, they're just terrorists who happen to be Muslim. This wasn't about jihad, as far as I'm aware.
Also, it should be noted that actually the French aren't quite so buddy buddy with the Arab world. A lot of immigrants into France are from the Islamic areas in Africa and, as usual, immigrants result in a great deal of animoscity. After all, LePen got far too close to becoming President because of this.

I hate terrorism especially that which targets children. I'm sorry, but i have abso-f-ing-lutely no sympathy for Chechnya's situation now. none-at-all.

I know what you mean. There are right and wrong ways to go about promoting your cause. And then there's taking children hostage and executing them. Even if you're trying to make a statement (they never expected to get out of there alive), they should have known better.

Why arent arab leaders condeming these attacks? hell they are probley funding them

Hnnngggh...

Once again, I'd like to reiterate:
They weren't Islamic terrorists, they were terrorists who happened to be Islamic.

 

[el Chi]

what an unamerican attitude.

Ah, "UnAmerican" - the "Communist" for the 21st Century.

corrupt regimes are no longer in power

So vote for Kerry? Oh no wait he's not much better...

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yes why do we have to worry about terrorists, why do children die, thousands and thousands daily from starvation and preventable disease?

This is because Governments equate "importance", into a small wad of sand, copper, nickel, silver, or "paper", and then decide whatever is going on in the world deserves more/less of it. Sadly.

This is just as terrible yet we do nothing, and shed no tears for the children born into poverty.

I sadly did. I even volunteered my own Christmas gifts for a convention held in Denver about the situation.

Heh, but thats just me.

Fact is, we will never solve all the problems that plague us, disease, hunger, terrorism, war, corruption, pollution, tyrants/dictators... What are we to do?

What are we to do? Keep fighting. ^^

 

[Adidajs]

i'm sorry innervision for BRINGING IN IRAQ. but you strayed first asking that i ignore the topic i started to bring in some other world crisis that exists. sure, starvation, malnutrition, etc exist but i wasn't talking about that. you bring it up, i cite an example. don't cite generalities and then jump down my throat when i happen to bring in current events by citing something concrete.

 

[CptStern]

chechen rebels have denounced the chechen terrorists responisble for the school attacks

they have nothing to do with each other

 

[ComradeBadger]

Jesus Horatio Christ..

Can't a topic stay civil ffs.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Not with closures like that