O'Reilly Loves Destroying Peoples Lives

[No Limit]

Some of you might watch the O'Reilly factor and some don't; to those that don't, congratulations, you are the sane ones. This week O'Reilly reported on a case where a baby was murdered by a mother and the mother got a plea bargain where she got 5 years probation and got her tubes tied; in return she didn't have to go to jail. On the show O'Reilly published the prosicutor's email and name that offered this plea bargain. Now, if you listen to O'Reilly and don't look at the facts yourself it seems this prosecutor is an evil bastard not fit for office. So the loyal idiots...I mean O'Reilly viewers...started calling his office with threats, racial slurs (he is black), and much worse. Here is the problem, O'Reilly somehow failed to report on the actual facts of the case. Here is a statement from the prosecutor:

By BETH WARREN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/18/05

Fulton prosecutors are being bombarded by heated e-mails and calls after a recent plea deal that allowed a mother charged with murdering her newborn to walk away with probation.

First, Carisa Ashe, 34, who has seven other children, agreed to have a tubal ligation, which involves cutting and tying the fallopian tubes to prevent pregnancy. Superior Court Judge Rowland Barnes ordered Ashe to serve five years of probation for voluntary manslaughter in the 1998 death.

What the public didn't know is that the lead detective and a Fulton County medical examiner had their doubts 5-week-old Destiny was murdered. Conflicting opinions on whether Ashe killed her child surfaced as early as the autopsy and still linger.

Local and national news outlets quickly broadcast details about the unusual plea bargain — the first known criminal case in Georgia in which a woman agreed to undergo sterilization to avoid prison. Dozens of people have questioned whether the plea bargain was ethical, constitutional or too lenient.

A national morning TV show requested an interview with prosecutors, and national radio and television personality Bill O'Reilly has repeatedly criticized Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard's handling of the case.

O'Reilly's Web site encourages people to protest the plea bargain by e-mailing Howard's spokesman, Erik Friedly.

"We've received a lot of e-mails — a lot," Friedly said. "Many contained racial epithets and foul language. I quit looking at them. And I've gotten racial, foul, angry phone calls."

Howard said many don't know the facts of the case. "When people heard the tubal ligation part, they thought we forced her to do it," he said.

Others erroneously believed the woman had a history of violence and had beaten the child to death.

"I think it raises the question about being truthful and reporting a story honestly," Howard said. "People are thinking we did not fight for this child. It's difficult to imagine how hurtful that is when it's far from the truth."

The case has been plagued with problems from the moment the child was rushed to an area hospital after Ashe made a frantic 911 call.

She said Destiny stopped breathing and she shook the tiny infant but couldn't revive her. The baby was born prematurely and had been hospitalized for weeks.

Emergency room doctors at Hughes Spalding hospital did not see signs of trauma and blamed the death on sudden infant death syndrome, police and prosecutors said.

Atlanta police were notified of the child's death the next day, when a routine autopsy was performed.

Police charged the mother with murder based on the autopsy findings of Dr. Joyce Dejong, who was in training. Although her supervisor, Dr. Michael Heninger, disagreed with her, prosecutors built their case on Dejong's conclusions.

"She performed the autopsy and she strongly felt it was a shaken baby case," Howard said. But he said Heninger "was not comfortable stating the cause of death" as shaken baby syndrome.

Heninger wasn't alone.

Atlanta police Det. Steve Walden, who has worked homicide cases for 22 years, had so many doubts he served Ashe with a citation charging her with murder at her home instead of taking her to jail.

"I have worked about any kind of murder, including shaken baby syndrome, and this does not fit that profile," Walden said.

Howard said his office decided to offer Ashe, who had postpartum depression, the plea based on the conflicting opinions in the case.

So to summerize; Bill called this a murder and called for the resignation of the DA. The problem is he left out the key fact that there is no way to prove this was a murder and most evidance disagrees with this conclusion.

So there ya go, another conservative liar proven wrong while he pretty much destoryed a DA's career and possibly life for personal gain.

So lets use Bill's own method of character assasination. When you get a chance please send him an email at [email protected] about how you feel about his lying or call his radio show at 1-877-9-NO-SPIN between noon and 2pm EST.

 

[Death.Trap]

Is there any proof that he actually lied? Perhaps he didn't know about it?


I havn't even heard of this case. Don't watch tv much.

If he DID lie, well that that's pretty ****ed up.

 

[No Limit]

Is there any proof that he actually lied? Perhaps he didn't know about it?


I havn't even heard of this case. Don't watch tv much.

If he DID lie, well that that's pretty ****ed up.

It's not lying per se, it's leaving out key facts to purposely mislead the viewer. Think about it, all he said was that a women that was charged with murder of a baby got off serving prison time by simply getting probation in her plea bargain. If you read that alone you think the DA in the case is a nut for offering such a plea. However, when you take in to account the fact that there is no way to prove this baby was murdered and there are conflicting reports you suddenly don't see the DA as such a nut; O'Reilly left that part out deliberately.

Do you honestly believe he didn't know the facts of the case? If he didn't why was he "reporting' on it? Also, I watched 2 segements about this over the week from him; not once did he mention those key facts and I'm positive the DA corrected him after the first show (not that he needed to be corrected, this was deliberate).

If you have fox news watch his show tonight as I'm sure he will report on this case, it airs at 6pm MST and 8pm EST. You will see how he deliberately misleads his viewers. Also, just to make sure he knows I sent him the following email which I know he won't read on the air:

To: [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Subject: Carisa Ashe Case

Bill, how about you stop leaving out important facts in the Carisa Ashe case for your own personal gain. Report all the facts including the part that says it can't be proven this was a murder. How about a grain of fair and balanced buddy.

Paul Smith
Albuquerque NM

 

[CptStern]

well no big surprise here ..o reilly is a jerk and an asshole

 

[Hapless]

It's not lying per se, it's leaving out key facts to purposely mislead the viewer.

Kind of like Michael Moore? Nah, probably not.

 

[Stigmata]

well no big surprise here ..o reilly is a jerk and an asshole

Woo, didn't see that one coming... What a jackass.

It's simultaneously hilarious and disheartening to hear O'Reilly say "Okay, cut his mic, cut his mic," once he realizes he's losing a debate with someone who has less money than him.

 

[seinfeldrules]

If you have fox news watch his show tonight as I'm sure he will report on this case, it airs at 6pm MST and 8pm EST. You will see how he deliberately misleads his viewers. Also, just to make sure he knows I sent him the following email which I know he won't read on the air:

He probably gets 100,000 emails a night and you think he is misleading people by not reading your email? I have seen Bill read plently of email that is less than flattering, so your argument is a weak one.

 

[Apos]

O'Reily doesn't have to lie: he's a demagouge. He doesn't care what the actual truth is, he just likes working people up into a lather and ranting about things as long as the subject sounds good and he can make himself sound like a hero.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Same with Michael Moore Oooo, that stung ...

 

[jondy]

Yeah, Michael Moore does it too. Get over it - that's what those kindof people are there for, and some might be worse than others. At the end of the line, they're all a means to an end. You just choose the one that's going for your end.

The one thing going for Moore, partisanship aside, is that he doesn't tell people to shut up, he doesn't get his hackles up.

 

[Hapless]

The one thing going for Moore, partisanship aside, is that he doesn't tell people to shut up, he doesn't get his hackles up.

This the same Michael Moore we're talking about? The heavy-set guy from Michigan? You sure?

 

[Absinthe]

Yeah, pretty sure.

Michael Moore and Bill O'Reilly may play the same roles for their respective political sides, but at least Moore doesn't come off as an arrogant and over-bearing sleazebag.

Oh yeah, I also don't recall the last time Moore personally encouraged people to harass and make difficult the lives of others like O'Reilly has apparently done.

 

[RZAL]

I see two issues, irresponsible news reporting and plea bargains. Just about all prosecutors are evaluated on their conviction rate. Plea bargains count as convictions, therefore it is in the prosecutor’s best interest to have a high conviction rate, not on the premise of guilt, but on the premise of job evaluation, promotion and re-election (if applicable).

Although the prosecutor’s main responsibility is to prove the “governments” case, ethically and morally it should never be at the expense of justice.

Plea bargains have a place in our criminal justice system, however often times this legal device is abused by both the prosecutor and defendant. Abused by the defendant? The underlying purpose behind any court of law is to facilitate justice. What justice is there if a defendant who is guilty of 1st degree murder accepts a plea bargain for say voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, or an innocent person accepts a plea bargain for a crime they did not comment simply because they cannot prove their case?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Michael Moore and Bill O'Reilly may play the same roles for their respective political sides, but at least Moore doesn't come off as an arrogant and over-bearing sleazebag.

Yes he does.

 

[Absinthe]

Yes he does.

NUH-UH

 

[jondy]

Heh :upstare:

Moore, Limbaugh, O'reilly, Coulter; whatever. They've all got an agenda. So those arguing for or against any of 'em may as well be banging their heads against a wall. Fact is, they're there to entertain, not to provide a source of information.

Thus people relying on them for a political stance need to pull their collective heads out of the sand.

 

[Razor]

Heh :upstare:

Moore, Limbaugh, O'reilly, Coulter; whatever. They've all got an agenda. So those arguing for or against any of 'em may as well be banging their heads against a wall. Fact is, they're there to entertain, not to provide a source of information.

Thus people relying on them for a political stance need to pull their collective heads out of the sand.

Unfortunately, people are taking that entertainment seriously.

Bill O'Reilly should be fired.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Michael Moore and Bill O'Reilly may play the same roles for their respective political sides, but at least Moore doesn't come off as an arrogant and over-bearing sleazebag.

YEA-HUH!

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Moore, Limbaugh, O'reilly, Coulter; whatever. They've all got an agenda. So those arguing for or against any of 'em may as well be banging their heads against a wall. Fact is, they're there to entertain, not to provide a source of information.

Thus people relying on them for a political stance need to pull their collective heads out of the sand.

See, this is what I'd love to get at here. Your a god amungst posters -- simple common sense, and no bullshit. I like that.

Unfortunately, people are taking that entertainment seriously.

Bill O'Reilly should be fired.

Does'nt help it when you take it seriously either ...

 

[Razor]

See, this is what I'd love to get at here. Your a god amungst posters -- simple common sense, and no bullshit. I like that.



Does'nt help it when you take it seriously either ...

I'm only taking the situation of the poor da seriously when people take O'Reilly seriously. People should realise he is just a joke and move on with their lives, watch Conan O'Brian or Jay Leno or someone like that.

 

[BlackDahlia]

I never watch these kinda shows...it's like talk radio with pictures, and no less annoying and pointless.

 

[KoreBolteR]

misleading goes from both sides.

how do you know your favourite news channel or media isnt twisting the words to manipulate you into agreeing with what they agree in.
or simply you wanting them to manipulate you, for your 'sources'. :naughty:

 

[jondy]

That's why informed people rely on lots of sources. It's called cross-referencing. Don't debunk the whole of the media. A lot of news channels and papers do their job very well.

If you aren't a dumbass, you will know your 'favourite' news sources are such because you agree with them, and thus will have an open enough mind to take in more sources to balance out your opinions.

 

[Korgoth]

If you truly wish to make an informed, educated opinion on a subject, you must work really hard collecting every bit of information available from every single source possible. Put them all in a blender, then throw that away and go with your gut feeling. Because believe it or not, now matter how fair and balanced someone claims to be, they always have their own opinion as well. And no matter what, thats going to bleed through if they are telling it to you.

Sad thing is, no one wants to do the work themselves and come up with their own opinions anymore. And more often than not, many people jump on the popular bandwagon and only seek news sources that tell them what they want to hear. Lets face, no one, and I mean no one, enjoys admitting they were wrong.

Our pride will be the death of us.

 

[KoreBolteR]

If you aren't a dumbass, you will know your 'favourite' news sources are such because you agree with them, and thus will have an open enough mind to take in more sources to balance out your opinions.

excatly! and once the channel gets you to agree with them, they can spiral your opinions into biased more 'untruthful' news.

prove to me that you 'fav' channel doesnt twist or lean to one side, and words the articles being biased to one side rather than the other.

personally i think theres only one that ithink thats neutral, and thats BBC. but i cannot prove that they supply us with the truth. i hope they do.

 

[GhostFox]

personally i think theres only one that ithink thats neutral, and thats BBC

*laughing* When people talk about bias in news, you often hear the phrase "it's not as biased as the BBC, but....."

 

[Kangy]

That's a good one, Ghost Fox.

The government fired (resigned under pressure) one of the most succesful and popular Director -Generals the BBC had because he allowed 1 possibly dodgy source to represent the facts.

It airs a massive variety of shows, from the pro-anti-terrorism-fear mongering type, to ones that are doubtful of the whole terrorism thing anyway. The BBC News website rarely reports on extremist views in a favourable fashion.

 

[GhostFox]

I don't watch the BBC very often, but I have never had any real problems with it, other then it being govt. controlled.

However that doesn't really mitigate the fact that it is internationally held up as the gold standered for journalistic bias. Maybe it is cleaning up its act?

 

[jondy]

However that doesn't really mitigate the fact that it is internationally held up as the gold standered for journalistic bias. Maybe it is cleaning up its act?

Cleaning up its act? Are you British? Do you actually watch the channel?

KoreBolter, your statement was the point of my post. You have to look to many sources to get rid of slant. Cross referencing. Yup.

 

[KoreBolteR]

KoreBolter, your statement was the point of my post.

and i was agreeing with you.
i was asking the people who disagreed to 'prove ...', not you.

 

[jondy]

6char

 

[No Limit]

He probably gets 100,000 emails a night and you think he is misleading people by not reading your email? I have seen Bill read plently of email that is less than flattering, so your argument is a weak one.

Seinfeld, do you understand you are defending any idiot as long as he is on your side. Do you honestly believe he doesn't know the facts of the case? Also, yes they (his producers) read every email and then use the ones that fit their agenda.

Everyone knows O'reilly is a conservative; he tries to say he is an independent. A couple months ago I sent 2 emails, one that called him a conservative and gave valid reasons as to why; the other said he was a liberal but the email was idiotic and didn't have any facts. You'd think the fair and balanced O'Reilly would publish the one with the facts; nope, he read my email but he read the one that called him a liberal; which he clearly isn't. So yes, they do read all the emails and yes, O'Reilly knows he is misleading people.

For all the people bringing up Michael Moore; yes, he is pretty much the same. However, that has nothing to do with it. This is about O'Reilly destorying a person's life for personal, not political, reasons.

I hope you all sent him an email about how you feel about this.

 

[KoreBolteR]

if you do post an email to him, you better post the footage here ..

(sumhow)

 

[CptStern]

coulter and o reilly push hate, moore doesnt ...moore is the clown jester of politics whereas O reilly and coulter are hate-propaganda machines with the sole purpose being dissemination of lies

 

[kmack]

The man sexually harrasses women. what more can i say. That says it all about exactly how WEAK his character really is. Sorry Bill, but actions speak louder than words, even yours.

 

[Bodacious]

Just to post an opposing viewpoint:

Destiny in America
By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Thursday, Feb 17, 2005
Destiny Ashe was an American citizen for just five weeks before her mother savagely beat her to death in Atlanta. The baby died in December of 1998, but the woman who killed her, Carisa Ashe, was not arrested and the case was "dead docketed"--that is, put aside--for two years.

Finally, Fulton Country District Attorney, Paul Howard, took Destiny's case off the shelf and charged Carisa Ashe with murder. Again, she was not arrested, nor was she incarcerated. Ashe simply walked around free, doing what she had done her entire adult life: getting pregnant.

Incredibly, after killing Destiny, Ashe managed to give birth to two more children, bringing the total number she has to eight. Authorities say multiple men fathered the children, but will not say how many men. Ashe is not married, nor does she have much support for the kids.

Of the seven remaining children, one is missing (authorities believe she ran away but don't know for sure), four are in foster care, and two are being raised by Ashe's mother. There is no question that Carisa Ashe is a grossly irresponsible human being who has killed one baby and put seven other children at risk.

But the Fulton County authorities don't seem to care much about that. They obviously took their sweet time getting around to dealing with Carisa Ashe. It was almost six years before DA Howard finally approached Judge Rowland Barnes with his solution to the case: Ashe would avoid jail time if she agreed to undergo a tubal ligation--become sterilized.

Carisa Ashe, facing twenty years in prison, jumped at the offer, and the deal was sealed. So now we have a dead baby in the ground, while her killer continues walking around, living free. By the way, the taxpayers of Georgia will pay for Ashe's sterilization operation.

Let me ask you a few questions. If this had been a white baby born to an affluent mother, do you think Howard, who is black, would have cut this deal? And what if Carisa Ashe had brutally murdered a ten-year-old girl? Would the woman have avoided jail time? So what's the difference between a baby and a ten-year-old?

The harsh truth is that America doesn't care about babies like Destiny; few are looking out for them. DA Howard couldn't care less; the case was a nuisance to him. Jesse Jackson and the other race hustlers are invisible because there's no money in the situation, and a black man, Howard, is the villain.

White America is not engaged, and one of the reasons is because the national news operations have ignored Destiny's case. Why bother with a poor murdered baby when Michael Jackson might get sent to prison for child molestation? There's no money in Destiny Ashe for the media, but plenty of bucks in the Jackson exposition.

The sad and brutal plight of Destiny Ashe spotlights the dark side of America. This is truly racism and classism at its worst. Carisa Ashe is allowed to murder her baby and pay a minimal price six years after the fact. That's justice?

Societies are judged by how they treat their most defenseless citizens. Destiny Ashe was denied life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and a powerful District Attorney let it happen. No one can justify this. There once was Destiny in America, but no longer. This terrible situation taints us all.

 

[No Limit]

Just to post an opposing viewpoint:

Thanks, this just proves what I am talking about; he is misusing facts to mislead his readers/viewers. How can O'Reilly be so sure that this was a murder when the ****ing doctors that performed the autopsy couldn't confirm it? Why doesn't he mention the fact this couldn't be proved as a murder?

I love conservatives that will defend anyone on their side no matter how wrong/evil that person is.

 

[jondy]

I love conservatives that will defend anyone on their side no matter how wrong/evil that person is.

Really?

yes, I know...

 

[KoreBolteR]

I love conservatives that will defend anyone on their side no matter how wrong/evil that person is.

speak for ureself :E

 

[No Limit]

speak for ureself :E

I will if you can give me an example of where I defended anyone wrongly?