Palestinian Rocket Attacks 'A Present for the Start of the New School Year'

[Nemesis6]

The Sderot Parents Association decided they would not take their children to schools and day care centers beginning Tuesday, until the government changed its policy regarding ongoing Kassam rocket attacks on the western Negev town, The Jerusalem Post learned Monday.

It followed a salvo of seven Kassam rockets that landed in and around the beleaguered town Monday morning. After one of the rockets thudded into the courtyard of a day care center, soldiers scrambled to evacuate everyone inside. Twelve people, including some of the babies, suffered shock and a building was damaged.

Despite the fact that none of the 15 babies at the center were wounded, frantic parents across the city - already furious over the government?s failure to protect them and their children from the near-daily rocket fire - pulled their children out of schools on the second day of the academic year.

In total, seven Kassam rockets landed in and around the western Negev town as Sderot children started their second day of the new school year. The Islamic Jihad said they had fired nine Kuds-3 rockets, saying on their internet site that the attack was ?a present for the start of the new school year.?

The Israelis should take a hint from something the Americans did; When the usual people find "Ahmed the Electrician"(They're always something according to the various news-serices) splattered across the pavement like Yassin, they'll find the message "Happy Ramadan" or something better - "Gotya back! " written on a piece of scrap metal. The Palestinians always write on their rockets, so why not start a dialog with rockets and hellfire missiles? That would be hilarious! Or maybe they should only do it in cases like Ahmed Yassin, might make it more dramatic.

 

[Solaris]

Is it a settlement town?

 

[Nemesis6]

Google is your friend, but what does that matter?

 

[delusional]

why dont they fire rockets back

 

[kirovman]

Because the chances of killing civilians is very high.

 

[Ennui]

If everyone in the world wasn't such a shithead we might actually be able to resolve this sort of thing peacefully but as it is all we do is either actually be involved or just be dicks to each other about it on forums.

 

[delusional]

Because the chances of killing civilians is very high.

but those rockets have a high chance of killing civilians as well, why not fight fire with fire.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Because it's scummy to kill innocent people just because someone else is doing it.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[kirovman]

And because killing innocent civilians doesn't actually achieve anything, except turning more people against you.

 

[Gunner]

Yeah except we don't live in a sugar coated world and sometimes there are no peaceful solutions to problems.

 

[Llama]

Your solution is what? Aim at innocent civilians?

'sometimes there are no peaceful solutions to problems' - You should know that Terrorism isn't the sort of thing that has a violent solution, certainly not one easily obtainable. The need to establish peace and co operation before you can deal with it. Killing small children with laser guided missiles is not a good way to do it.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Yeah except we don't live in a sugar coated world and sometimes there are no peaceful solutions to problems.

Wow you've convinced me! Lets go nuke cities full of innocents because we don't live in a sugar coated world.

 

[Solaris]

why dont they fire rockets back

They do.

952 Palestinian Children have been killed by isrealis in the last 7 years whilst 118 Isreali children have been killed by Palestinians.\

Source

 

[Nemesis6]

Just noticed I missed elaborating on one point: When I mention them shooting back, I'm talking about hitting the terrorists and their launch sites, the whole electrician thing was a little joke referring to how Hamas always talks about how their dead terrorists were electricians, farmers, whatever.

But I guess the discussion turned around a little, and nothing wrong with that I guess. Israel could actually bring the surrounding Arab countries to their knees alone by bombing the shit out of them. Theoretically, peace in the middle-east could be obtained if Israel used the same tactics as the terrorists did. If I can use a little bit of Al-Jazeera lingo here: The REAL "holocaust" is being done by the ZioNazis against the innocent Palestinians who are only resisting the global tentacles of the Zionist entity. But if that was true, there would be peace in the Middle-East; Israel would be free from terror.

By the way, I guess it's only fair to post this:

The army and Palestinian witnesses have said in the past that militants regularly use children to retrieve rocket equipment after the projectiles are launched.

Which might explain at least a fraction of those killed?

By the way "ifamericansknew.org" is not a reliable source Solaris, so at the very least, there's a big margin of error.

 

[Gunner]

Your solution is what? Aim at innocent civilians?

bla bla bla

Did I say I had a solution? no. So stop talking for me, thank you.

Wow you've convinced me! Lets go nuke cities full of innocents because we don't live in a sugar coated world.

I made an observation, I didn't suggest anything you stupid ****.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

They do.

952 Palestinian Children have been killed by isrealis in the last 7 years whilst 118 Isreali children have been killed by Palestinians.\

Source

Yeah, as much as both sides are to blame, that's hardly an unbiased source. You'd have been better off digging a little more and fishing their own source out, which doesn't seem to be so one-sided:

http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Sulkdodds]

I think this is significant:

From September 29, 2000...through March 27, 2007, at least 952 Palestinian and 118 Israeli youths under the age of 18 were killed in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.

They don't draw any particular intention to the discrepency; rather, they give the impression that they don't care about who killed who but rather that anyone was killed at all.

 

[CptStern]

cue Nemesis posting something about Palestinian kids being disporportionately killed because teh terrowrists send them out to retrieve rocket equipment after the projectiles are launched


oh wait ...

By the way, I guess it's only fair to post this:

The army and Palestinian witnesses have said in the past that militants regularly use children to retrieve rocket equipment after the projectiles are launched.

Which might explain at least a fraction of those killed?

yes all 834 of them dead from retrieving un-s'ploded equipments

an even more alarming unanswered querstion that Nemesis failed to ask is ..how do they know terrorists use kids to retrieve da bombs? I mean if they can see the terrowrists why the hell arent they shooting them? ffs man they're using childrens as glorified golden retrievers, you'd think the jews watching the terrorists force children into playing hide and seek with omg bombs(!) they'd do something! anything! ...they should investigate these apathetic jews that only watch terrorists instead of killing them ...wont someone please think of the childrens

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Because it's scummy to kill innocent people just because someone else is doing it.

-Angry Lawyer

Wow...what a concept; however, I don't think this message has reached that region of the world quite yet.

 

[Absinthe]

cue Nemesis posting something about Palestinian kids being disporportionately killed because teh terrowrists send them out to retrieve rocket equipment after the projectiles are launched


oh wait ...

It is a worthwhile point to bring up, however.

It's no secret that a fair few amongst Palestinian armed combatants are children. Considering this, it should be of no surprise to anybody that there are far higher deaths of Palestinian kids than Israeli.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

It is a worthwhile point to bring up, however.

It's no secret that a fair few amongst Palestinian armed combatants are children. Considering this, it should be of no surprise to anybody that there are far higher deaths of Palestinian kids than Israeli.

I don't know...I don't think it's a valid point. I don't care how many innocent people (children or otherwise) you kill, it's abhorent and unacceptable. And both sides have done it. Who has done it more is irrelavant to the conversation.

That area is in serious need of a significant peace-keeping force...NOW. The UN has passed a few resolutions that have been ineffective OR the US has intervened to effectivly stop it from passing. Eveything that happens between these two is completely retalitory in nature and will NEVER end. Threads like this will pop up until the end of time until there is some intervention over there. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about all the innocent people being killed by these two forces. Disgusts me to no end.

 

[CptStern]

It is a worthwhile point to bring up, however.

It's no secret that a fair few amongst Palestinian armed combatants are children. Considering this, it should be of no surprise to anybody that there are far higher deaths of Palestinian kids than Israeli.

yes while I'm sure some may have been combatants Nemesis is suggesting the retrival of bombs may make up a fraction of palestinian child deaths ..but to what extent exactly? 50% 30% 10% 1%? there are oganizations set up around child soldiers like Warchild and they've found no evidence that the ruling parties use child recruitment as they officially deny the use of child soldiers (pages 13 - 19) ..however the same cant be said about the extremists ..which is probably why they're labeld ..extremists. Anyways I seriously doubt that out of over 900 palestianian children killed during the time period cited by sulkdodds anything but a negligible minority were actually killed as a result of retriving unexploded ordinance ..what bothers me is that he's using this talking point as a way of dismissing any sort of implication that israel is bombing indiscriminately

 

[delusional]

So we don't like Israel because they are winning?

 

[CptStern]

winning at what exactly? how can you "win" in this situation?

 

[Absinthe]

I don't know...I don't think it's a valid point. I don't care how many innocent people (children or otherwise) you kill, it's abhorent and unacceptable. And both sides have done it. Who has done it more is irrelavant to the conversation.

I think you are misconstruing something in my post.

If you think I was trying to justify the killing of innocent civilians, I wasn't. My point was that the comparison numbers of children killed earlier doesn't differentiate between armed combatants and collateral victims. It's entirely understandable if Israeli forces killed more children because many Palestinian youth engage in combat. It's not like Israel crossed over the border and knifed infants in their sleep. And it's also a pretty poor way of gauging which side is more "evil". Israel has far more superior and destructive weaponry. If Palestine was equally armed, I'm sure you'd find such comparative death tolls more evenly matched.

And in all honesty, **** a peace-keeping force. I don't see why anybody outside of them should get involved.

 

[Nemesis6]

Absinthe, knife attacks are really not that popular anymore as far as I know. When they do succeed at infiltrating into Israel, they mostly massacre people in their home. They seem to prefer that method, and that method is no longer an option now that Hamas has forced the Israeli government to act responsibly; to block access to and from the Gaza Strip is the best course of action. Following this, they will, like Hizballah, become desperate and start forcing civilians to stay at launch sites at gunpoint. If they can't put Israeli citizens in harms' way, they'll deploy the age-old Palestinian tactic: Put your own in harms' way and cry about how evil the Israelis are.

If the Israelis have any sense, they'll do everything in their power to keep conditions along the border exactly as they are now. From this course on, the problem of direct terrorist attacks from the Palestinian territories is virtually non-existant, and from this course on, the Israeli government has two possible courses of action when rockets, etc is fired at it:

1 - Target Hamas infrastructure.
2 - Target launch sites.

The most sensible would be the first since Hamas will undoubtedly expect Israel to shoot back and take advantage of that. But there's a problem with this: If the Israelis defeat Hamas, Fatah might take over, although I'm not sure if they're strong enough now. The problem with Fatah taking over is that the Israelis are so ****ing gullible that they actually consider Fatah and Abu Mazen negotiation partners and will as a result stop the blockade of the Gaza Strip and West Bank, resulting in renewal of terror attacks.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I think you are misconstruing something in my post.

If you think I was trying to justify the killing of innocent civilians, I wasn't.

Not at all. I'm not suggesting that at all. I understand why it happens...still doesn't register, in my mind, as a means to say, oh well, we shouldn't be as hard on Israel...a lot of those Palestinian kids died because Palestinian forces sent kids into combat, etc. The fact is that there are a lot of innocent deaths as a result of both sides in this conflict...further, it's ludicrous to think that the entirety of this "innocent-death" gap is the result of Palestinian forces sending kids into combat or having them "defuse" various explosives. Both sides are disgusting for their actions...let's at least agree on that.

And in all honesty, **** a peace-keeping force. I don't see why anybody outside of them should get involved.

If it helps curb anymore innocent death, why not? It's obvious that they need some sort of intervention, is it not? Further, nothing else has worked effectivly...there has been NO intervention in this region, except in the Israeli-Egypt conflict(s). There's nothing wrong with trying.

 

[Absinthe]

It still seems you're reading into things in my post that don't exist. I never tried to field that reasoning as an excuse for the gap between death tolls. Nor did I ever disagree that both sides are heavily at fault for civilian casualties.

The UN is unable to provide any sort of substantial intervention. They don't have the power. The most you could look forward to is more direct involvement from the USA, and I think we all have a good idea of how that would go down. I expect that at over half of the people on this board who would want an intervention would kick and scream over American imperialism. Or replace the USA with any other country with the resources to maintain a peacekeeping occupation. They'd come under attack just the same and it's a certainty it would attract more militant extremists from across the region. There's no point to installing a peacekeeping force if there's no sign of a willingness to compromise or, as is seemingly the case currently, large and significant elements that repeatedly undermine such attempts.

If there was some kind of forseeable, hypothetical resolution in sight, then that would be different. But I don't see why any country outside of Israel or Palestine should send their troops to die over their stupid ****ing feud for years on end. It's a shame that innocents get caught up in this. But to be very blunt and at the risk of sounding callous: it's their problem. They'll have to sort it out on their own with, at best, foreign advising and/or economic aid.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Is it a settlement town?

Instead, we should be asking ourselves what you're implicity suggesting behind this question, not whether the town being bombed is a settlement for the reason that it might be, "illegal".

yes all 834 of them dead from retrieving un-s'ploded equipments

Um, it would'nt be that far fetched for me to agree with you here. However, its not just these sorts of tasks that Palestinian militants use to regularly engage children in senseless combat or expose them to danger. Let alone, train them in a whole new generation of militancy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jorVh3gQ_AQ - Video documented evidence of my case.

implication that israel is bombing indiscriminately

According to the news we just received from the source provided by the thread author, it is Hamas whose indiscriminately bombing. Again, where has Israel engaged in such attacks against Palestine? Casualty figures do not amount an explanation and especially in the case of this conflict, a clear one.

how can you "win" in this situation?

Still having a nation state to call home.

It's not like Israel crossed over the border and knifed infants in their sleep. And it's also a pretty poor way of gauging which side is more "evil". Israel has far more superior and destructive weaponry. If Palestine was equally armed, I'm sure you'd find such comparative death tolls more evenly matched.

QFE.