Police Tazers security guard while thief gets away

So many cases of tazer abuse, they should just stop using it. Incompetent trigger happy cops feel "threatened" whenever they see a black man, and start shooting whatever they've got.

That security guard should totally sue the department's ass and get payback.
 
It's hard to tell. Both the security guard and the suspect were in the car struggling. The suspect was the one in the drivers seat. It looks as if he got tasered while they were both still struggling?

I doubt it's a case of blatant racial profiling. The officer's first thought upon arriving must of been carjacking since they were struggling in the drivers seat while the suspect was currently seated in there.
 
ya but why did she let the white guy go without at least determining what was happening? ..wouldnt she need his testimony if he was indeed a victem of an attempted carjacking?
 
Yeah, she didn't really have common sense.

Only a stupid thief would attempt carjacking right outside a store where he just stole from. If he made a ruckus in the store he would have a mode of transport ready. If he sneaked it out it would be even MORE stupid to attempt carjacking.
 
I can't answer any of those questions.
 
Gunner said:
So many cases of tazer abuse, they should just stop using it. Incompetent trigger happy cops feel "threatened" whenever they see a black man, and start shooting whatever they've got.

That security guard should totally sue the department's ass and get payback.
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:rolleyes:








A few questions came to mind while watching this video:

Why was the "security guard" not dressed in any kind of uniform identifying him as such?

Why didn't he obey verbal commands from the officer?

Why didn't she wait for a back-up before approaching?

Why was she just standing there with her thumb up her butt initially?

Why did she let the other guy leave? (This goes back to the back-up question, actually)

What information was given to the responding officer(s) while they were enroute?

Did the officer respond to a call for service there, or was she driving by and saw the struggle taking place? Didn't look like there was a whole lot of time between the theft and her arrival, but I also know the video was edited.

I also question that the guy, "woke up," in the back of the ambulance. I've never seen a TASER knock someone unconscious. I didn't see him "convulsing" on the ground either. Also, after-effects? I'm not buying that at all. He's got pain in his arm? That couldn't possibly have resulted from his fighting with a guy, could it?

Looks justified, albeit unfortunate. The officer involved looked like a deer caught in the headlights to me, though.
 
The officer got anxious and made a bad move letting the other guy leave. But then again, what did she see? A guy (security guard) attacking some other guy (like he was supposed to as per his job). So what was she supposed to think?

And why the **** does anything involving a person of color need to end up being racism?
 
Hapless said:
Why didn't he obey verbal commands from the officer?

I also question that the guy, "woke up," in the back of the ambulance. I've never seen a TASER knock someone unconscious. I didn't see him "convulsing" on the ground either. Also, after-effects? I'm not buying that at all. He's got pain in his arm? That couldn't possibly have resulted from his fighting with a guy, could it?
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There is always a first - how many Taserered people have needed an ambulance in the first place?

1.05 - 1.13 you can see him on the ground convulsing.

He probably didn't hear the commands - you are wrestling with another guy, everything else is just background noise.

Letting the real criminal go without finding out what was going on first was just stupid.

I can understand how it would look like a car jacking.
 
Hapless said:
:rolleyes:








A few questions came to mind while watching this video:

Why was the "security guard" not dressed in any kind of uniform identifying him as such?

Why didn't he obey verbal commands from the officer?

Why didn't she wait for a back-up before approaching?

Why was she just standing there with her thumb up her butt initially?

Why did she let the other guy leave? (This goes back to the back-up question, actually)

What information was given to the responding officer(s) while they were enroute?

Did the officer respond to a call for service there, or was she driving by and saw the struggle taking place? Didn't look like there was a whole lot of time between the theft and her arrival, but I also know the video was edited.

I also question that the guy, "woke up," in the back of the ambulance. I've never seen a TASER knock someone unconscious. I didn't see him "convulsing" on the ground either. Also, after-effects? I'm not buying that at all. He's got pain in his arm? That couldn't possibly have resulted from his fighting with a guy, could it?

Looks justified, albeit unfortunate. The officer involved looked like a deer caught in the headlights to me, though.
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why did she let the white guy go if he was the victem of a crime?
 
Everyone shut the **** up about racism please. Constantly obsessing over it is only going to feed it. Forget about race for one moment for God's sake.
 
probably cuz I just skimmed through your post ..so just shoot me now, mr ossifer


MiccyNarc said:
Everyone shut the **** up about racism please. Constantly obsessing over it is only going to feed it. Forget about race for one moment for God's sake.
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in this case it's unavoidable as accusations of racism were made by the security guard ..going on the video alone it's hard not to come to that conclusion
 
The cop was probably a bit confused and couldn't stop the thief from escaping, or really didn't know what was happening and what she was doing, and let the guy go.
 
You look at the victim's black skin and assume it's racism. When you look at the facts, the security guard was using physical force on the thief and refused to identify himself when asked. The cop arrived and all she saw was the guard using physical force on someone. It was an unfortunate mistake, not racism..
 
Zeus said:
You look at the victim's black skin and assume it's racism. When you look at the facts, the security guard was using physical force on the thief and refused to identify himself when asked. The cop arrived and all she saw was the guard using physical force on someone. It was an unfortunate mistake, not racism..
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Really? The facts: police officers sees a struggle, instead of arresting both men, tazers the black man and lets the white man flee.
 
black people are more violent and un-edukated
 
Gunner said:
Really? The facts: police officers sees a struggle, instead of arresting both men, tazers the black man and lets the white man flee.
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It's not that simple. In the video you can see the guard is hanging on trying to pull the thief out of his car as he tries to drive off. The police officer thought the guy was trying to steal the thief's car. I know if I was the officer there, my first thought wouldn't be "oh that guy must be a security guard trying to stop a thief". So she asked him to stop and identify himself, twice I might add, which he did not and was tazered. If the security guard was white and all this happened, there would be no problem, but because his skin color is black, people immediately think racism.
 
It's true, blacks have committed more crimes and are more likely to commit crimes than whites. It's not bigotry, but fact. I'd also like to state that the definition of racism is thinking one's race is superior to another, seeing how that word get's thrown around more than chimp shit.

Among men, blacks (28.5%) are about six times more likely than whites (4.4%)
to be admitted to prison during their life. Among women, 3.6% of blacks and
0.5% of whites will enter prison at least once. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Based on current rates of incarceration, an estimated 7.9% of black males
compared to 0.7% of white males will enter State of Federal prison by the
time they are age 20 and 21.4% of black males versus 1.4% of white males will be incarcerated by age 30. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Some have noted that more black men are in prison in America than are in
college. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128)

And so, we wonder why the policewoman tazed the black security guard. I'm not saying the security guard was a bad person but look at him. There's also the possibility that the clerk didn't specify the robber's race due to fear of being labeled as racial, idk... You have this PC-gone-mad society; do you think a typical person today would say "I was robbed and the person who robbed me was white"? Once the cop arrived on sight, she had to act quickly, and assuming the statistics provided above; she had to go with her best bet.

Now, if you go 24 seconds into the video, you will see a brightly colored emblem in the shape of a police badge on the guard's left sleeve. If what I just said is misconstrued, then that misconstrued perspective could contradict my entire argument but considering how the guard and robber got into such a brawl, it's very difficult to see the badge because there was so much movement.

It's also partly the clerks fault if he didn't specify the robber's race and this wouldn't have happened if he did.


But anyway, there's my rant. I hope the security guard recovers soon/has recovered nicely.


EDIT: Where's Jesse Jackson, Sharpie and Calypso Louie?!
 
But what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Are black people in America (I don't know the statistics in other countries) forced into crime because they are largely shunned by society or shunned by society because they are criminals?

Prejudice does influence poverty, and poor people turn to crime (hey if society doesn't give a damn about me, why should I give a damn about it?)
 
Well, yes, poor conditions and lives have led to crime and this applies to anyone, blacks experiencing the brunt of this. A victim of their own environment.

But it isn't just that. There are blacks in poor neighborhoods trying to get an education, get a job, get ahead in life instead of just doing crime. So the argument that its only society's fault isn't completely right.
 
DeusExMachina said:
Well, yes, poor conditions and lives have led to crime and this applies to anyone, blacks experiencing the brunt of this. A victim of their own environment.

But it isn't just that. There are blacks in poor neighborhoods trying to get an education, get a job, get ahead in life instead of just doing crime. So the argument that its only society's fault isn't completely right.
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But it's easier to turn to crime when you've got nothing to lose.
 
There are blacks in poor neighborhoods trying to get an education, get a job, get ahead in life instead of just doing crime.
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I commend those blacks for their righteousness. We should be glorifying and honoring them as role models for the black community instead of having the media promote trash like rap, "gangsta culture," etc. I praise those blacks who want an education because they might have a low-class background/environment and are pretty much all the way on the bottom, but still want to live a normal and prosperous life. And that's extremely difficult for them in the beginning.

You see, the problem I find with affirmative action is that they hire under-skilled workers for high-stress and high-skilled jobs and that obviously puts stress on them. And then that would down-grade the company due to lack of efficiency caused by stress and innexperience.

When you think about it, the crisis concerning blacks today is sort of like raising a child: you have to use discipline. Applying welfare and affirmative action to all blacks only aids them short-term wise. Call it spoiling the child. When we give billions of welfare money to the bad blacks, we are nurturing and allowing their bad behavior. I feel that we give blacks the money and the oppurtunity but the bad ones just trash it. Please, excuse me if this sounded condescending but I am just merely voicing my opinions.

"First, let us consider the fact that for the first time ever, as a species, immortality is in our reach. This simple fact has far-reaching implications. It requires radical rethinking and revision of our genetic imperatives. It also requires planning and forethought that run in direct opposition to our neural pre-sets."​

Ah, gotta love those Breen-quotes!
 
..under-skilled workers for high-stress and high-skilled jobs..
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Yes, though its not that they by will hire under-skilled workers. Truth is: its underpaid. And underpaid = usually under skilled (in a lot of cases not all).
Same thing happens a lot in the political world :p If we paid politicians $5 million a year (for instance) be sure more smarter ppl will attempt to run for office ;) instead of dive into the corporate world... :p
 
Ome_Vince said:
Yes, though its not that they by will hire under-skilled workers. Truth is: its underpaid. And underpaid = usually under skilled (in a lot of cases not all).
Same thing happens a lot in the political world :p If we paid politicians $5 million a year (for instance) be sure more smarter ppl will attempt to run for office ;) instead of dive into the corporate world... :p
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LOL, Vince, I hope you're joking. Here are my thoughts on this:

1. Being a corporate leader is pretty much like being the leader of the U.S. nowadays, considering how they can control the masses with media, products, et al, and I guess you could say that they sway the people in their direction; in favor of their agenda. (Christ, I'm starting to sound more and more like an arm-chair pseudo-intellectual...)

2. I'd figure having the title of President of the U.S. would put you in the hot-spot which corporate leaders would not want.

3. There are plenty of people who are trying to get into office. I don't think paying a salary of $5 million dollars would make that much of a difference. Say if the president's doing "a bad job," I don't think the Treasury is going to come out and say, "Hey, you've been doing a bad job and you don't deserve the 5 million dollars that you recieve."

4. I'd say this applies to other positions of government.

5. I'm sure corporate leaders make a lot more money than 5 million bucks.
 
DeusExMachina said:
Well, yes, poor conditions and lives have led to crime and this applies to anyone, blacks experiencing the brunt of this. A victim of their own environment.

But it isn't just that. There are blacks in poor neighborhoods trying to get an education, get a job, get ahead in life instead of just doing crime. So the argument that its only society's fault isn't completely right.
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Cummon. Either we accept that Black people are forced by society into crime.

Or that black people are genetically inferior.
 
The security guard should've had a uniform. You know, there's another view on this - The officer could also have randomly chosen one of them. As simple as that. We don't really know what happened and we won't.

Now on to the subject this topic is subtle undertone of this topic: Racism. When you say that blacks are forced into crime by society, you are both right and wrong, meaning they're not any more succeptable to crime than we are. At least that's what I think. There is, however, also the other side of the coin: That black rap music and iconism is absorbed too much by the black community. Look at the rappers of today, for example. They talk about being "gangsters" or "pimps". Now, these guys are black. Many of the greatest rappers of all time were. Now, how do you think a young person thinks after he's fed 'fitty''s lyrics about "Get rich or die tryin'"? That's one bad influence on their society today I think. Another one is black nationalism. I used to be all for it, but when I heard the following from a black person, it kind of turned my perspective... Here it is - "Black people shouldn't be proud of being black. Imagine what would happen if white people were as proud of their race as most blacks are." It was something like that. After that, this woman became known as a self-hating black. That's just stupid.

I think I can sum the biggest problems in the black community as such:

* They're too succeptable to the negative influence of rap.

* A lot of them blame white people for their troubles today.

* A lot of them live in crummy neighborhoods.

Now, rap is a very strange topic, because the black culture is pretty much what kickstarted the musical evolution of the last, well, about 60 years I guess. And now look what they're known for - Gangsters and pimps. That's quite a stoop.

Disclaimer: I know that not all blacks are X, and not all blacks do X. The above is my opinion of the problems they face, not a simple generalization.
 
Dr. Breen said:
LOL, Vince, I hope you're joking. Here are my thoughts on this:

1. Being a corporate leader is pretty much like being the leader of the U.S. nowadays, considering how they can control the masses with media, products, et al, and I guess you could say that they sway the people in their direction; in favor of their agenda. (Christ, I'm starting to sound more and more like an arm-chair pseudo-intellectual...)

2. I'd figure having the title of President of the U.S. would put you in the hot-spot which corporate leaders would not want.

3. There are plenty of people who are trying to get into office. I don't think paying a salary of $5 million dollars would make that much of a difference. Say if the president's doing "a bad job," I don't think the Treasury is going to come out and say, "Hey, you've been doing a bad job and you don't deserve the 5 million dollars that you recieve."

4. I'd say this applies to other positions of government.

5. I'm sure corporate leaders make a lot more money than 5 million bucks.
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heh, yes i was joking, but i wanted to raise the issue out of interest to see what people think.
I wouldn't feel comfortable with money-hungry ppl trying to get into politics (if thats the reason for them to try :p).

Though I just wanted to point out that:
If you follow the trend of what happens to the "Brains" in many western countries, you'll see little feel the need to get into politics.
 
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