Pope Bans Homosexuals from ordination as priests

[CptStern]

no shit sherlock

from the "gee what a surprise" file comes this unlikely article on the Pope's decision to ban homosexual priests


"Pope Benedict XVI has given his approval to a new Vatican policy document that bans men with homosexual tendencies from being ordained as priests, reports Catholic World News.

The policy statement is a direct result of the pope's concern about the pedophilia scandal in the church – especially in the U.S. "


the pope needs better researchers: 80% of pedophiles identify themselves as HETEROSEXUAL


ok one last dig:

"Pope bans homosexuals from ordination as priests"

"Pope wonders why there's no new priests"



discliamer: it pains me to no end that the source of this story is hate mongering right-wing homophobes: WorldNetDaily.com ..but the story is valid even though the source is not ...for gods sakes look on the right hand side of the website ..god damn crazies. Oh and I'm a former catholic so dont bash me for dissing the big guy with the really big hat

 

[CptStern]

grrrr I get angry when my replacement makes stupid remarks


old pope say READ THIS THREAD, here use my glasses

 

[Tr0n]

The new pope scares me.

 

[OCybrManO]

The new pope scares me.

Emperor Popatine? That's what I think whenever I see his face.

 

[Raziaar]

Emperor Popatine? That's what I think whenever I see his face.

He sure does look evil, if you ask me.

 

[Kebean PFC]

He can do whatever he wants. The church is essentially a private instituion. No where on thier doors or in the Bible does it say "Equal opportunity Employer." Why are you fussing? Have a gay friend that wants to be ordained?

Let it go. Now this does not nessecarily mean it is right, but the pope is the controller of the Catholic instituion, and i have no problem with him doing that.

 

[Absinthe]

Let it go. Now this does not nessecarily mean it is right, but the pope is the controller of the Catholic instituion, and i have no problem with him doing that.

Oh God, what is wrong with you ****ers begging for complacency?

Yes, it is a private institution and he can do what he wants. That doesn't make any more right and any less worthy of outcry.

FFS you little chicken shit assholes should all go jump into a volcano and spare us this "well, he technically has the right-" bullshit.

 

[Glirk Dient]

So now you are forcing your opinion on us and only your opinion matters and is correct? Now it also doesn't matter if people have the right to have their own opinion and act upon it because it doesn't match yours? Wow is all I have to say to that.

Seems religion these days is causing more problems than good anyways.

 

[OCybrManO]

I thought the whole reason for this topic was that it combined the obvious (no gay priests), spineless (not condemning pedophiles), and illogical (most pedophiles are actually heterosexual)... not that Stern was complaining about gay rights being infringed upon. Of course, I could be mistaken.

 

[Glirk Dient]

I thought it was a funny post. However, the person I quoted was obviously complaining that people have different views than him and that everyone else should die if they think anything else. He couldn't possibly see how anyone could think on their own.

 

[smwScott]

Oh God, what is wrong with you ****ers begging for complacency?

Yes, it is a private institution and he can do what he wants. That doesn't make any more right and any less worthy of outcry.

FFS you little chicken shit assholes should all go jump into a volcano and spare us this "well, he technically has the right-" bullshit.

Well, technically he does have the right.

But seriously, anyone who subscribes to the dogma is supposedly willing to accept anything he says, seeing as he's infallible and all. It's the Catholic religion, the whole thing is f**king stupid in the first place, and this hardly makes a dent. I support the right for private oranizations to make their own rules, so I'm not too upset over this. The pope and his minions ... I mean followers ... have every right to pass stupid rules within their own religion, why the hell not?

And to be fair Stern, while the priests may not have identified themselves as gay, they f**ked little boys. At the very LEAST they're bisexual pedophiles. It's fairly safe to say that the great majority of the priesthood who commited those acts (and probably overall) were repressed homosexuals who only joined because they seeked acceptance.

 

[No Limit]

So now you are forcing your opinion on us and only your opinion matters and is correct? Now it also doesn't matter if people have the right to have their own opinion and act upon it because it doesn't match yours? Wow is all I have to say to that.

Seems religion these days is causing more problems than good anyways.

Forcing an opinion on us? This new pope does not represent me as a catholic nor do you. But if you really want my opinion here you go. If you spend all your life being a bigot that thinks gay marriage and gay priests are the biggest threat to our lives I think you are a total ****ing idiot that has no intention on getting a grip on reality. But hey thats just my opinion, live your life like you see fit :thumbs:.

 

[Absinthe]

So now you are forcing your opinion on us and only your opinion matters and is correct? Now it also doesn't matter if people have the right to have their own opinion and act upon it because it doesn't match yours? Wow is all I have to say to that.

Feel free to point out where I said such thing. I only argued that I have just as much a right to voice my disapproval of this as much as the Pope has a right to exclude homosexuals.

The idea that I should shutup because "dude, it's his right" is nonsensical.

 

[CptStern]

I thought the whole reason for this topic was that it combined the obvious (no gay priests), spineless (not condemning pedophiles), and illogical (most pedophiles are actually heterosexual)... not that Stern was complaining about gay rights being infringed upon. Of course, I could be mistaken.

you're not mistaken ...gays know full well they're not exactly welcome in the whole of christendom

 

[falconwind]

And to be fair Stern, while the priests may not have identified themselves as gay, they f**ked little boys. At the very LEAST they're bisexual pedophiles. It's fairly safe to say that the great majority of the priesthood who commited those acts (and probably overall) were repressed homosexuals who only joined because they seeked acceptance.

Why is it that I get the feeling that people think when adult men molest little boys, it's pedophilia, and when they molest little girls, it's something else. To say homosexuals are predisposed to being pedophiles is absolutely ridiculous.

Homosexuality and pedophilia are to VERY different sexual preferences, but since one is based on gender and the other age, they are independant of one another, but simply not mutually exclusive, THAT'S ALL.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Emperor Popatine? That's what I think whenever I see his face.

You too?

Well, we all know the pope is

- evil
- intolerant
- reactionary
- unfit for his position
- causing thousands of deaths
- a bastard
- a sith
- mean
- Shens

people think when adult men molest little boys, it's pedophilia, and when they molest little girls, it's something else.

I can honestly say I've never encountered this.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Cool it Absinthe. The pope runs his private instituion. No it is not right, but it IS THE POPES RIGHT. If you argue agaisnt that you argue against the basis of private orginazations rights.

FFS you little chicken shit assholes should all go jump into a volcano and spare us this "well, he technically has the right-" bullshit.

Hmm, nice attack on me. How bout you jump in a volcano becuase HE DOES HAVE THE RIGHT, IT IS NOT A TECHNICALITY. If the Catholic church said Equal Opportunity employer, then yes, it would be legally wrong, but until then, shut up, becuase you cannot change anything.

 

[Absinthe]

Cool it Absinthe. The pope runs his private instituion. No it is not right, but it IS THE POPES RIGHT. If you argue agaisnt that you argue against the basis of private orginazations rights.

Hmm, nice attack on me. How bout you jump in a volcano becuase HE DOES HAVE THE RIGHT, IT IS NOT A TECHNICALITY. If the Catholic church said Equal Opportunity employer, then yes, it would be legally wrong, but until then, shut up, becuase you cannot change anything.

OMG EXCEPT I NEVER ATTACKED HIS RIGHTS. I said it's worthy of outcry and that his legal rights do not exempt him from criticism. Your stupid appeasing attitude is idiocy at best.

"Nya nya nya it's his right so be quiet." Christ almighty. Some private organizations restrict ethnic minorities. Doesn't make them any less full of crap and it certainly doesn't invalidate my right to speak against it.

 

[skarrob]

OMG EXCEPT I NEVER ATTACKED HIS RIGHTS. I said it's worthy of outcry and that his legal rights do not exempt him from criticism. Your stupid appeasing attitude is idiocy at best.

"Nya nya nya it's his right so be quiet." Christ almighty. Some private organizations restrict ethnic minorities. Doesn't make them any less full of crap and it certainly doesn't invalidate my right to speak against it.

Please speak freely dumbass

 

[Absinthe]

Please speak freely dumbass

If you can't argue against what I've said, then spare me your wit. At the very least you could make a comment that's somewhat intelligible.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Absinthe is correct. And not only in the respect that not all morality is governed by the legal system.
The pope is wrong in doing this because you'd have to be in a cave to miss the profound influence christianity has had on American politics for years, and which has seemingly gotten stronger.
Just look at how 'intelligent' design is nearly in the schools, or how homosexual marriage is either banned or being re-banned.
Even if it's not directly said, the pope's actions here are going to further cement America's irrational homophobia, because his words influence the majority of US voters and, at this point, most of the government.

(Here I mean America in the sense of the majority of american voters, not everyone as a whole.)

You're legally allowed to call someone a 'dumbass,' but in reality that still makes you appear to lack the ability to respond to intelligently to criticism.

Or make any intelligent posts at all, it would seem:

Yeah i thought No Limit made this thread hollywould you must have got the idea from No Limit.

I imagine No Limit will comment on this thread,but i agree with you Hapless.

Yeah only your opinion matters no limit.

I say nuke the hell out of the Palestinians and let that be that. There origanally from Jordan anyway

why dont you go back to Africa or Iraq or whereever your people came from. Thats what makes this country great freedom. If you really hate America please leave if it bothers you that much

So let's face facts here. You don't write well at all, you're obsessed with No Limit, you're well into racism territory and your posts rarely pass the one-sentence mark. And these aren't select cases or exceptions to the rule. These are nearly a third of your politics posts, and the rest don't get much better.

If you're trying to make your political ideas (as I am very charitably calling them) seem 'smart' or 'made by someone over the age of twelve' you've failed. So why are you even here?

Please attempt a paragraph. It'll further prove my point.

 

[xLostx]

Excellent.

 

[Kebean PFC]

It is his right to do what he did. As i said in both replies that does not make it right, however there is nothing you can do about it.

profound influence christianity has had on American politics

You cannot blame that on the pope, only on politicians that need justification for everything.

 

[Absinthe]

Okay, first off all, I think an apology is in order. Irritability tends to be a byproduct of week-long insomnia. So I'm sorry for being unnecessarily aggressive and insulting.

That said, I don't like this kind of response. I don't like that people say "there's nothing you can do about it". While this may be true in that I can't do anything directly, I do believe that discussion about it is necessary if awareness and reasoning is to be brought to the issue. Such awareness can lead to change, if only indirectly. The fact that a book such as the bible can be subject to so many interpretations certainly be used in support of a religious establishment that accepts homosexuality.

I won't claim that discussion in this forum could bring about significant change. I view this place as more of an isolated area of debate where people can simply vent their opinions and say what's on their mind. That pertains to all political discussion. If you're going to say that it doesn't matter, then you might as well say that in response to every topic.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I agree with Absinthe - Kebean, your first words were 'let it go'. Why should anyone? Some of the things the Catholic institution says and does really piss me personally off, and quite a lot of other people too.

It is his right to do what he did.

Unfortunately, he's actually causing the deaths of quite a lot of people in the third world by telling them that comdoms are useless. Shouldn't he be tried for murder or at least negligence?

 

[Tr0n]

Shouldn't he be tried for murder or at least negligence?

Sorry, but no. It's mostly based on each persons choice to use a condom. If I tell a kid to jump off a bridge and he does it and dies...does that make me guilty of murder?

 

[Sulkdodds]

I don't know if he should, I really was asking a question.

The thing is though, when you tell a kid to go jump off a bridge, with full knowledge that he's actually going to follow your intructions...you'd certainly be guilty of something.

 

[Absinthe]

I don't think the Pope should be held legally accountable for such deaths.

However, I certainly accuse him of contributing to the problem.

 

[Tr0n]

Guilty of a bad conscience, but that ain't really against any law I know of. It's about choices...it's their choice to decide to use a condom or jump off a bridge or do whatever. Hell it's even in the bible. You know the part when adam and eve made a choice to eat the fruit of knowledge even tho they was told not to and for that they was cast out of the garden of eden?

I can't believe I still remember that...I'm not even much of a christian anymore.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Yeah but with Adam and Eve God said 'BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN IF YOU EAT THE APPLE.' At least he told them the truth.

edit: Anyway I just really hate the pope. Because HE KILLED MY FAMILY.

 

[The Monkey]

I wonder much longer it will take to get a true christian as pope.

 

[Tr0n]

I wonder much longer it will take to get a true christian as pope.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."- Mahatma Gandhi

 

[The Monkey]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."- Mahatma Gandhi

Well said.

 

[15357]

Well said.

Indeed.

 

[CptStern]

Sorry, but no. It's mostly based on each persons choice to use a condom. If I tell a kid to jump off a bridge and he does it and dies...does that make me guilty of murder?

there is no "choice" ..the pope says "absolutely NO condoms, no birth control whatsoever in any of it's forms" ..not "condoms for some, no condoms for others"

 

[Mechagodzilla]

The thing is though, when you tell a kid to go jump off a bridge, with full knowledge that he's actually going to follow your intructions...you'd certainly be guilty of something.

I believe the pope is fully guilty, because he is essentially threatening the people into dying. When the choice is for straight folks to get AIDS or go to hell, knowing some devout people, they'd pick AIDS every time. and if I know that, the pope sure as hell (no pun intended) does too.

I'm not going to call it mind control, but the pope does control the cultural values of most americans. That majority then votes into power a president based on those values.
(The one big arbitrary thing that put Bush ahead of Kerry in the last election was his anti-homosexual stance.)

What the pope is doing is normalizing discrimination.
In fact, you could argue that the main point of his job is to normalize catholic ideals that logically ought to be tossed aside immediately. There is no logical reason to not use a condom. Even if (big if) zygotes could logically be considered important life-forms worth preserving at all costs, they end up dead either way.
Except with a condom, you don't get diseases and huge numbers of unasked-for pregnancies (which you can't abort either) putting a burden on both the parents and society as a whole.

Same with banning homosexuals from being priests, "because of the pedophilia scandals". Well great work, pope. Not only has he directly implied that all gays are pedophiles, he's totally glossing over the vast majority of hetero ones.

There's no logical reason to do this whatsoever, so the only conclusion I can see here is that the pope is exploiting his church's own pedophilia as a chance to gaybash the entire world.

And the best part is that all this'll end up doing is to force gays into the closet and they'll be able to become priests anyways, only now with bonus sexual repression that'll likely lash out as, you guessed it, pedophilia.
Stupid stupid stupid.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Gahh. No the pope is not responsible.

That is like (stealing this from another post) putting a porn pic in a library book, then when someone reads the book and sees the pic, having the legal right to sue the author of the book.

To me if you want to be religious, fine, but dont follow it blindly.

 

[CptStern]

Gahh. No the pope is not responsible.

That is like (stealing this from another post) putting a porn pic in a library book, then when someone reads the book and sees the pic, having the legal right to sue the author of the book.

To me if you want to be religious, fine, but dont follow it blindly.

africa has the highest population of christians ..also aids ..put 2 and 2 together ..he may not be responsible directly but he has to take direct responsibility and tell people it's ok to take resposibility for their lives :E

 

[Sulkdodds]

That is like (stealing this from another post) putting a porn pic in a library book, then when someone reads the book and sees the pic, having the legal right to sue the author of the book.

Am I missing something? That doesn't make any sense to me. To stay within that example, what the pope's doing is writing a book, lacing all the pages with anthrax and then commanding everyone to read it.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Am I missing something? That doesn't make any sense to me. To stay within that example, what the pope's doing is writing a book, lacing all the pages with anthrax and then commanding everyone to read it.

Under penalty of torture too. ;(