potential cure for religious insanity

So all we have to do to eliminate spirituality is stop seratonin production. Surely the side effect of becoming emotionless sexless fat drones will be worth it! After all, we could still play WoW.

Oh hai jverne!
 
Ok guys , heres the plan : We sneak into the top secret bunker where they keep the ray gun that eradicates all of our emotions and feelings , beat up the two and a half guards , use it on our selves , ??? , profit!
 
Eejit said:
So all we have to do to eliminate spirituality is stop seratonin production. Surely the side effect of becoming emotionless sexless fat drones will be worth it! After all, we could still play WoW.

Oh hai jverne!
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hi


lol...you know, i'm not really the anti-religious fuhrer you think i am
 
Of course not herr comandant, I would never suggest anything to the contrary!


This thread reminded me of the film Equilibrium. I'm not sure I can ever forgive you for that.
 
Eejit said:
Of course not herr comandant, I would never suggest anything to the contrary!


This thread reminded me of the film Equilibrium. I'm not sure I can ever forgive you for that.
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hmm...i just started downloading it, seems an interesting movie according to imdb, but only has 7.8 we'll see


hey it even has the actor from Beatman, Christian Bale
 
Kinda obvious its some brain chemical shit giving ppl hallucinations.
 
Kinda obvious its some brain chemical shit giving people any experience they ever had.
 
Meh, I kinda think this is a load of crap unless you are crazy. I am someone who believes spirituality/religion is almost purely influenced by upbringing, the surrounding culture, and how one wants to perceive it.. I really have a hard time believing some chemical has such a strong affect on one's natural choice to be religious.
 
obviously brain chemicals made video games, too
and rocks
 
zombieturtle01 said:
Meh, I kinda think this is a load of crap unless you are crazy. I am someone who believes spirituality/religion is almost purely influenced by upbringing, the surrounding culture, and how one wants to perceive it.. I really have a hard time believing some chemical has such a strong affect on one's natural choice to be religious.
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Pfft... many people affiliate themselves with some religion or another. That doesn't mean they had any particular "spiritual" experiences.

But go ahead and argue against science just because you have a hard time believing it.
 
But go ahead and argue with against religion because you have a hard time believing it.
 
Absinthe said:
Pfft... many people affiliate themselves with some religion or another. That doesn't mean they had any particular "spiritual" experiences.

But go ahead and argue against science just because you have a hard time believing it.
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Lol what?
How did you perceive my post this way?

I didn't say it had anything to do with a "spiritual" based experience. I was saying that I believe the psychology of people plays a bigger role than the chemical. More Nurture than Nature if you will.

I mean, I think I know what I am talking about pretty damn well. I grew up with a lot of religious people, I went to a Catholic Gradeschool and Highschool. And let me tell you, it isn't based off of some chemical people can't control, it's because of the surroundings they're in, their parents, family, peers, etc, those are what influence them to be religious, the rest is just a self psychological feed.
I mean, people like me and my friends have all grown out of that stuff over the years, and just by talking and reasoning with others, I have made my religious peers seriously question all this stuff they have believed in for years. Now what? You are telling me that's because of a chemical? Once I had them think a little more, reason a little more, that chemical just went away? No, it's psychological.

This reminds me of the people that always self-diagnose themselves with bullshit. "Well I think I have <blank> because of <blank>" No, you just think it's because of <blank>, but it's all just in your f*cking head.
 
I'm not EVEN going to click that. I like being a religious fanatic. Don't make me set off this bomb.
 
The human psyche can be very much influenced by chemicals. All the article is saying is that the increased amount of serotonin enables them to more easily accept faith-based ideas.
 
I want to see a cure for aids from your 'science' before I start believing in it.
 
Well sure, but with the exception of maybe a lunatic, I believe it's much, much, less the chemical and much more the psych.
 
You're not getting what I said. The psyche is influenced by the chemicals in your brain.
 
I wish you guys would stop making religion threads.
 
The last few posts werent even about religion. Chill out mayne.
 
Yes they were, it's about what influences your beliefs of religion!
RAWARWRAWRAWR
 
They were about whether or not chemicals influence your psyche. And they do :arms:
 
jverne said:
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You realise that that doesn't prove spiritual experiances don't happen right? You say: "Since it is triggered by a chemical, that obviously means that its not actually spirituality" while a spiritual person might say "its scientific proof".
 
Its like anything with religion. They can keep dodging around the truth and find whatever they want in anything, since they can always just say "god did it".

"God gave me a vision! "

"Actually that was a serotonin imbalance"

"God gave me a serotonin imbalance so I could have a vision!"
 
It's the people who aren't posting in this thread I admire the most.
 
I guess you don't admire yourself Peshmotion. Self-hate is not good, learn to love yourself.
 
Eejit said:
So all we have to do to eliminate spirituality is stop seratonin production. Surely the side effect of becoming emotionless sexless fat drones will be worth it! After all, we could still play WoW.

Oh hai jverne!
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Yeah, i'll be right back with the meth! :D
 
Lawl, anti-religious-tendencies.
 
zombieturtle01 said:
Lol what?
How did you perceive my post this way?

I didn't say it had anything to do with a "spiritual" based experience. I was saying that I believe the psychology of people plays a bigger role than the chemical. More Nurture than Nature if you will.
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The article specifically mentions spiritual, "transcendent" experiences. It's not saying religious adherence itself is a product of brain chemicals. Just that such experiences, as things that are touted as validating peoples' faith, are more likely rooted in physiological explanations than magic.

We're talking things like "I FELT GOD LIFT MY SOUL INTO THE LIGHT AND IT FELT BEAUTIFUL", but spoken seriously. Not a general life choice.
 
Absinthe said:
The article specifically mentions spiritual, "transcendent" experiences. It's not saying religious adherence itself is a product of brain chemicals. Just that such experiences, as things that are touted as validating peoples' faith, are more likely rooted in physiological explanations than magic.

We're talking things like "I FELT GOD LIFT MY SOUL INTO THE LIGHT AND IT FELT BEAUTIFUL", but spoken seriously. Not a general life choice.
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****, that's exactly what I was going to say.

Krynn72 said:
The human psyche can be very much influenced by chemicals. All the article is saying is that the increased amount of serotonin enables them to more easily accept faith-based ideas.
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This too. The way I understand it, chemicals like serotonin (neurotransmitters, I think) change the activity in various areas of the brain, because they are used in the synapses to transmit signals between neurons. But different chemicals will affect different areas, whilst having no effect on others. This is why you hear one article saying brain chemical X has such an effect on the brain, then another article saying it has a some other effect(s): neurotransmitters can have several effects, depending on which brain area they are at. I wouldn't be surprised if a chemical could make a person more predisposed towards religiousity; they might for example, dampen a brain circuit that is normally used in critisising what people tell us.

Having said all that, I agree with what ZT said about nurture over nature. There is a massive correlation between religious upbringing and religious belief.
 
i think it would be wise of me to mention i don't quite buy into the article.

ok transcendental visions, apparently, can be caused by serotonin.

but faith in religion is a whole different story, there are more factor involved here not just one neurotransmitter.

i never said we should cure religious people.
we should give them all the evidence and have a logical discussion with them and if they change their mind fine, if not...you know...we just shoot them, or put them in gas chambers...quite simple solution really.












the shooting and gassing is obviously an attempt at sarcasm...if you fail to see that, you need to be gassed as well...wait?...oh shi***
 
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