President still a liar

[No Limit]

I think it will be a good idea to just keep a list of all the lies Bush constantly tells.

Question to Bush From Reporter:

Do you feel that the number of troops that you've kept there is limiting your options elsewhere in the world? Just today you had the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency say that he was now concerned that the North Koreans, for example, could put a weapon, a nuclear weapon on a missile that could reach Japan or beyond. Do you feel, as you are confronting these problems, the number of troops you've left tied up in Iraq is limiting your options to go beyond the diplomatic solutions that you described for North Korea and Iran?

Bush's Answer:

No, I appreciate that question. The person to ask that to, the person I ask that to, at least, is to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, my top military advisor. I say, do you feel that we've limited our capacity to deal with other problems because of our troop levels in Iraq? And the answer is, no, he doesn't feel we're limited. He feels like we've got plenty of capacity.

Now here is what the joint chiefs of staff really feels as the report given to the senate the other day states:

Strains imposed by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have made it far more difficult for the U.S. military to beat back any future act of aggression, launch a preemptive strike or intervene to prevent conflict in another part of the world, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a classified analysis sent to Congress on Monday.

So let me guess, this is just another mistake on his part?

Source - http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...3may03,0,6915005.story?coll=la-home-headlines

EDIT: A couple posts down I posted another very recent lie, might want to look at that also.

 

[The Mullinator]

To be fair I am not really sure how that quote could have been extracted considering it came from a "classified analysis".

 

[No Limit]

To be fair I am not really sure how that quote could have been extracted considering it came from a "classified analysis".

Sorry, forgot the source.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...3may03,0,6915005.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Keep in mind, this is a direct lie; there is no way around that. He said the chairman informed him of something that was totally opposite of what Myers really said.

 

[CptStern]

here's a zinger that he cant wrestle out of if he tried:


"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

George Bush February 8, 2003

 

[No Limit]

here's a zinger that he cant wrestle out of if he tried:


"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

George Bush February 8, 2003

But come on Stern, you know Bush is just stupid. When he lied he didn't know he was lying; he is just a total ****ing idiot. Well, that is the Republican explaination for that; I still wonder why they voted for him when they know this.

 

[Tr0n]

All politicans lie...as stern put it...it's the "nature of the beast".


...or I think he said that before.

/me shrugs

 

[No Limit]

Another fun lie from Bush:

Received by email from Dennis Kucinich.

H. Res. 170 struck down in committee
In a 22-1 vote the House Ways and Means Committee voted not to hold President Bush accountable for his statements that "there is no Social Security trust." Dennis wrote in his Report from Washington, "If the President's assertions remain unchallenged, the Administration can continue to drain the Trust Fund of its assets and make true its now-false claim that Social Security has no Trust Fund and is going bankrupt." Read the rest of Dennis's comments in his column on the home page at http://www.kucinich.us .

======================================================

April 26, 2005 3:36 pm ET

Ways and Means Kills Inquiry into Question on Trust Fund

Last night, in a rare Monday night session, the Ways and Means Committee of the United States House of Representative voted 22-1 against a resolution which would require the President to produce documentation supporting his oft-repeated claim that there is no Social Security Trust.

The action stopped a Resolution of Inquiry from proceeding to the full House for a vote. I introduced the resolution last month after President Bush had claimed in a meeting in New Hampshire that "there is no Social Security trust." He has since repeated the assertion. The implications of the President's assertions about the Social Security trust fund are quite serious for the 48 million Americans who currently rely on Social Security, and for those who will become recipients in the future.

According to the Social Security Administration's own trustees, Social Security has $1.68 trillion in the Trust Fund. According to the Social Security Administration the surplus will grow to over $6 trillion.

Most interesting, however, the President's assertion that there is no Trust Fund comes at a time when the Administration has borrowed over $637.4 billion from the fund obtained in highly regressive taxes on American workers. That borrowed money is, in effect, being used to help fund an illegal war and to pay for tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.

If the President's assertions remain unchallenged, the Administration can continue to drain the Trust Fund of its assets and make true its now false claim that Social Security has no Trust Fund and is going bankrupt. They only need the complicity of the Congress.

Now the Congressional committee which has direct jurisdiction over Social Security is refusing to hold the President accountable for his statements. In other words, the Committee itself doesn't want the President to produce any documents supporting his claim that there is no Social Security Trust.

If Congress had formally asked the President to produce documents backing up his contention that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, he would have been unable to do so and would have lacked a sufficient cause to go to war.

If Congress had formally asked the President to produce documents that the United States could afford massive tax cuts to the wealthy without going into huge deficits, he would have been unable to do so and we would not be cutting funds for education, housing, job-creation and other social services (nor borrowing from Social Security) to mask the increasing inability of the government to balance its budget.

The President has a Constitutional obligation to uphold the public debt of the United States. Social Security's financial obligations are, according to the Social Security Trustees, backed by the "full faith and credit of the United States". If, indeed, there is no Social Security trust - as the President asserts with the political protection of his Congressional majority - then it is clear that the President is heading towards a direct challenge to his own constitutional authority and legal responsibilities to affirm the financial obligations of Social Security.

 

[No Limit]

All politicans lie...as stern put it...it's the "nature of the beast".


...or I think he said that before.

* Tr0n shrugs

Yeah, but can you tell me one time Bush has told the truth? I'm sure there are some rare examples but for some reason they aren't popping in to my head right now; maybe soem republicans can help me out?

 

[Direwolf]

Yeah, a lot of people reported that one Stern. I've got a feeling that something like that is just straight up bad intelligence. Theres no reason to say something that silly without thinking it's right.

As for the topic...when was the Bush question asked? What was the context? Where was it done?
And if it's a 'lie' I doubt is a calculated one driven by an evil and conniving brain, and more likely just a case of him not having gotten to the report yet.

 

[CptStern]

yay I finally found it after I having lost it ...here's indisputable proof that the bush admin not only knew about it but ignored the al qaeda threat:


"The January 25, 2001, memo, recently released to the National Security Archive by the National Security Council, bears a declassification stamp of April 7, 2004, one day prior to Rice's testimony before the 9/11 Commission on April 8, 2004. Responding to claims that she ignored the al-Qaeda threat before September 11, Rice stated in a March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed, "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration."


actual de-classified document

 

[Direwolf]

I don't actually see the point there...wasn't it already established that the US was aware that Al Qaeda posed a threat? That document certainly establishes that, and says they're not to be underestimated.
What it doesn't include though seems to be any specific warning about a plan for attacking anything on US soil (assumption seems to be US targets in Middle East like the USS Cole). Thats what it sounds like Rice was talking about to me.

 

[No Limit]

As for the topic...when was the Bush question asked? What was the context? Where was it done?
And if it's a 'lie' I doubt is a calculated one driven by an evil and conniving brain, and more likely just a case of him not having gotten to the report yet.

You are a good person around here so I won't leash out against you but do you understand what you are trying to do? Everything Bush lies about Republicans say well maybe he didn't know this or he didn't know that or the context was different, etc... No, this does not apply here. The question was straight forward as was the answer (this was at the recent press conference); this is the same format all press confrences are. A reporter asks a question, president answers (wether he answers is often debatable) and the moves on to another reporter. There is no context.

Now, there is no chance he didn't get breifed on it; read what he said. He said that Myers told him that troops in Iraq wasn't a problem when it came to other possible conflicts; the fact is that Myers said the exact opposite.

 

[Direwolf]

A) Ok, it was a press conference. Thats pretty much the context I was asking for. It wasn't a dinner or some other informal event.

B)I'd assume he's talked to Myers more than once. It would seem from the LA Times article that this is a recent admission by him as to the stretching of the forces.

 

[Razor]

This is something that has concerned me for quite a while and i think i posted on it in another thread...with Britain in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Indonesia and Iraq, Britain is stretched very thin, so is America, especially since both Britain and America have cut the numbers down.

Forces around the world are cutting the numbers of their military to make a far better equiped, more mobile and faster acting force, but also increases efficiency as well. Unfortunately though, with more and more action going on around the world, the numbers are starting to add up to a point where if anything bad happens in North Korea or Taiwan or elsewhere, both America and Britain will have an extremely tough decision to make.

 

[Tr0n]

Yeah, but can you tell me one time Bush has told the truth? I'm sure there are some rare examples but for some reason they aren't popping in to my head right now; maybe soem republicans can help me out?

Hell I ain't defending the bastard, but I'm just pointing out the truth.

 

[Foxtrot]

I am not going to spoon feed you quotes, but I am sure there are some here.

http://boycottliberalism.com/Bush-quotes.htm

 

[No Limit]

I am not going to spoon feed you quotes, but I am sure there are some here.

http://boycottliberalism.com/Bush-quotes.htm

Maybe you can help me out and point out specifics? What I saw on that page was mostly his opinion or symbolism; I didn't see anything to do with facts. Also, can you address the original post; I think I recall you on a number of occasions saying Bush isn't a liar.

 

[Foxtrot]

Maybe you can help me out and point out specifics? What I saw on that page was mostly his opinion or symbolism; I didn't see anything to do with facts. Also, can you address the original post; I think I recall you on a number of occasions saying Bush isn't a liar.

He didn't lie with the information he was given, to him it was not a lie at all.

 

[No Limit]

He didn't lie with the information he was given, to him it was not a lie at all.

I am asking for a time when he said the absolute truth, help me out here; I can't think of any examples.

 

[Foxtrot]

I am asking for a time when he said the absolute truth, help me out here; I can't think of any examples.

There are a bunch in my link.

 

[No Limit]

There are a bunch in my link.

Nope, no there isn't. Let me give you an example. When he said that he would push for an amendement for Gay Marriage he was lying. When he said Saddam had WMDs this was not true (why it wasn't true isn't the issue here). I am asking you for a time, based on facts (not opinion), when Bush told the absolute truth about an issue.

 

[Direwolf]

"Some have shown their devotion to our country in deaths that honored their whole lives, and we will always honor their names and their sacrifice."

Ok, perhaps not fact, but a good statement.

How about:

"In Afghanistan, terrorists have done everything they can to intimidate people — yet more than 10 million citizens have registered to vote in the October presidential election — a resounding endorsement of democracy."

 

[kmack]

All politicans lie...as stern put it...it's the "nature of the beast".


...or I think he said that before.

* Tr0n shrugs

this lie started a war :dozey:

I am not going to spoon feed you quotes, but I am sure there are some here.

http://boycottliberalism.com/Bush-quotes.htm

wow, someone really felt they had to put up all his good quotes? i assume they fixed the grammatical and spelling errors :dozey:

 

[No Limit]

How about:

Well, also not completely accurate:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63944-2004Sep30.html

Bush, for instance, hailed the coming presidential election in Afghanistan, saying that the fact that 10 million people had registered to vote was a "phenomenal statistic." But Human Rights Watch this week said that figure was inaccurate because of the multiple registrations of many voters.

 

[Llama]

i think he lies. Its probably because he helped drag MY country and its people into a war under false messages, but i hate the tosser

PS. If you think he isnt a tosser-i dont care, its my opinion, so please dont bother flaming me

 

[Direwolf]

Oh man, just had to post this one:

"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."

That's probably the funniest thing he ever said.

But really, if you want to go combing through the minutes of meetings and stuff theres plenty of stuff. They just don't often get posted on the internet. :O
This is not to say I don't think he's never lied, lord knows thats true, but saying he's never told the truth is just silliness.

Globalization has altered the dynamics in the White House, as well as between the White House and the Treasury.

 

[Tr0n]

this lie started a war :dozey:

Thank you for telling me what I already know, kmack.

When I want more things told to me about stuff I already know I'll come to you.

 

[kmack]

Thank you for telling me what I already know, kmack.

When I want more things told to me about stuff I already know I'll come to you.

Do you want a ****ing cookie?

how am I supposed to know what you know????

how do i screen every single member of this forum to see if they do or do not know about something.

if you know it congratulations! if not then you learned something! no need to post and tell us what you know :dozey: