prolly be a good game but valve is too greedy...

[KBharvester]

if u make a blockbuster game, u get rich...period. Seem like if you give ppl less, you should charge less. When you don't get The CD's etc(and they don't have to be manufactured and shipped) you should pay less. the only reason we are paying the same is to give valve even more money. if thats the way they want to be fine, but at least they could do is admit thats whats going on. Now no manual? okay thats a little more profit for them. Whats next? we gonna get memorex cd's with hl2 marked on them with a sharpie? Whats with the greedy.george bush.neocon attitude? am i missing something?

 

[CTTcrew_MrBlue]

Valve are not greedy, I recieved a CS:S poster anda HL2 postor today from valve.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

The reason you're paying the same is because Valve aren't allowed to charge less for the Steam version of HL2 than the retail. In much the same way that they can't release it prior to the retail version.

 

[Admin_Winnuting]

u dont pay much for a few cds, your paying for the files.

 

[theroadtonowhere]

then dont buy it off of steam if you don't like it.

 

[Admin_Winnuting]

EDIT: oops... y did it post twice

 

[KBharvester]

The reason you're paying the same is because Valve aren't allowed to charge less for the Steam version of HL2 than the retail. In much the same way that they can't release it prior to the retail version.

then they should give something else in return. its a rip...i think the contract agreements are a cop out. maybe they should have got lawyers with smarts?

 

[Some_God]

The first thing on any business's mind is money so GG.

 

[Ames]

The reason you're paying the same is because Valve aren't allowed to charge less for the Steam version of HL2 than the retail. In much the same way that they can't release it prior to the retail version.

Quoted for emphasis.

Plus they already used up over $40 million dollars on HL2.

Greedy? No.

 

[SirOsisOfLiver]

Well okay almost see your point , but disagree. CD's cost next to nothing. I am much happier giving money for bandwidth usage to valve that I am for giving VU money for a box and DVD or 6CDs. Publishers need to be taught a lesson one way or another. The music industry is finally learning (though slowly) and soon others wills catch on. The people who actually make the game deserve the bigger cut.

 

[Kel Thuzad]

if u make a blockbuster game, u get rich...period. Seem like if you give ppl less, you should charge less. When you don't get The CD's etc(and they don't have to be manufactured and shipped) you should pay less. the only reason we are paying the same is to give valve even more money. if thats the way they want to be fine, but at least they could do is admit thats whats going on. Now no manual? okay thats a little more profit for them. Whats next? we gonna get memorex cd's with hl2 marked on them with a sharpie? Whats with the greedy.george bush.neocon attitude? am i missing something?

You are wrong.
See Pi Mu Rhos answer...

 

[KBharvester]

Well okay almost see your point , but disagree. CD's cost next to nothing.

next to nothings adds up after 4 or 8 million...

 

[The Mullinator]

then they should give something else in return. its a rip...i think the contract agreements are a cop out. maybe they should have got lawyers with smarts?

If you are giving more to make up for the cost then isn't the cost of the actual game going to go down? Then aren't they breaking their contract?

As for the contract there is only so much you can do, and if you havn't noticed Valve and Vivendi have recently been in a big court battle about that very problem. Valve doesn't want that contract but its not like you can just higher better lawyers and expect everything to go your way.

 

[Esquire]

shuubeedoo

 

[Duracell]

VALVe, greedy?

When they sent me eight Half-life 2 shirts and about thirty posters as prizes for a league I ran they didn't seem greedy.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

then they should give something else in return. its a rip...

So buy retail. That way, you're giving Vivendi most of the money, with a small percentage going to Valve. That should make you feel better.

i think the contract agreements are a cop out.

I can only assume from that that you haven't actually read anything about the lawsuit.

maybe they should have got lawyers with smarts?

I'm fairly sure that future-predicting lawyers are quite thin on the ground.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

It also bears pointing out that things like manuals are usually the domain of the publisher.

 

[Biozeminade]

Alright, I just looked this up real quick.

A pack of 100 CD-Rs is $29.00, so that makes each CD 29 cents.

Now just imagine how much cheaper it would be for the company that buys in bulk millions of CDs to copy stuff.

You're not being ripped off.

 

[Demonmerc]

Unless you want the shiny box and painted CDs, who cares? Burn the .gcfs to a CD.

The reason why its the same price as retail is because Vivendi gets a chunk of that money, due to their contract.

 

[Parasite]

if u make a blockbuster game, u get rich...period. Seem like if you give ppl less, you should charge less. When you don't get The CD's etc(and they don't have to be manufactured and shipped) you should pay less. the only reason we are paying the same is to give valve even more money. if thats the way they want to be fine, but at least they could do is admit thats whats going on. Now no manual? okay thats a little more profit for them. Whats next? we gonna get memorex cd's with hl2 marked on them with a sharpie? Whats with the greedy.george bush.neocon attitude? am i missing something?

If games released via steam after HL2 continue to cost as much as a retail game, then I'll be inclined to agree. But as far as HL2, theres not much they can do about, theyre legally bound to sell at the same price as retail. Theyd be idiots to sign a similar contract for thier next release(s)

 

[Admin_Winnuting]

EDIT: my maths sux

 

[Biozeminade]

EDIT: my maths sux

Yes it did, and what was your point?

 

[The Monkey]

So buy retail. That way, you're giving Vivendi most of the money, with a small percentage going to Valve. That should make you feel better.

Only a few percentage? That sounds strange. Are you sure?

 

[Admin_Winnuting]

Yes it did, and what was your point?

Never mind my point, It was pointless.

EDIT: Cool im a Bullsquid, when did this happen?

 

[Eon Blue]

Whats with the greedy.george bush.neocon attitude? am i missing something?

What's with the unchecked stupidity, political/gamer/fanboy bias, and serious lack of information on these forums?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Only a few percentage? That sounds strange. Are you sure?

It's not going to be over 50%. That's a small percentage when you consider what they get for a Steam purchase.

 

[Sharrd]

Alright, I just looked this up real quick.

A pack of 100 CD-Rs is $29.00, so that makes each CD 29 cents.

Now just imagine how much cheaper it would be for the company that buys in bulk millions of CDs to copy stuff.

You're not being ripped off.

The cost for shipping them out, hiring people to actually get HL2 on all these CD's, etc is greater than just the CD's cost, though(not that it really matters, but they are also probably of better quality than the ones you were looking at). But your point still stands.
And my answer to the first post is the same as Pi Mu Rho's.

Edit: Gabe said that according to what he recalled, they got about 2,5 times as much money out of the Steam purchases. But he obviously didn't keep that much track of it(this is from the "info from VALVe only - no discussion" thread).

 

[UmbrellaMaster]

Thank you for making this thread. It made my day and the ignorance made me smile and laugh.

Again... thank you. :thumbs:

 

[Eon Blue]

^^^

Lol at that post.
Wait, no. Roffle kittuns in loller mittens

 

[Parasite]

I remember an article that broke down the typical split on a retail game sale and it was like 60-70% retail 20-25% publisher profit 5-10% publisher costs other than profit and whatever is left goes to the developer.

As far as Valve not getting over 50%, thats impossible anyway scince the retailers always take over 50% of the retail price.

 

[Mikademius]

If you don't want HL3 then give them less money. Instead take a minute to calculate how much time you spend on using 50$ on crap anyways... What.? like three days...? 50$ is nothing for a pack like this, It's 4 hours of work for most people... If I made something like this, of course I'd want something back for all the work. People need to stop living in the SIMS worlds and get out in the real one. God damn, when people pick on things like this I hear a ticking inside of my head.... Hope it doesn't burst in frustration...

 

[ukfluke]

are you sure the price agreement was in the contract? i see valve confirm the release date thing but price? hmm have u a link pi?

 

[Sharrd]

Well if VALVe were as greedy as this guy seems to think they are and there was no mention about the price that would be accepted for Steam, then VALVe would've have set the price a bit lower than the retail's, to get more purchasers.

Edit: I know they can't, and I'm saying this so nobody will think they can.

 

[The Monkey]

Well if VALVe were as greedy as this guy seems to think they are and there was no mention about the price that would be accepted for Steam, then VALVe would've have set the price a bit lower than the retail's, to get more purchasers.

They can't. Vivendi is stopping them.

 

[Mountain Man]

While we're not paying for game boxes or CDs, we are paying for the priviledge to sit at home on our fat asses and download the game directly to our computers.

 

[Zeus]

I think valve is greedy in some aspects such as HL:Source. Charging money for a simple copy and paste into source that barely looks any different doesn't sound like a fair deal to me.

Valve I think, should give HL:source free to steam users as apology for the lies and delays we had to suffer through during HL2's development. Also DOD:source I think they are greedy in because I would like to play DOD:source if I own HL2 (so I could get it as a mod like with HL1)

 

[iamaelephant]

While we're not paying for game boxes or CDs, we are paying for the priviledge to sit at home on our fat asses and download the game directly to our computers.

You mean we're paying them so we can use our own bandwidth (which we pay for) to download a game, minus the cost of stamping, boxing, manuals (yeah right), CD cases, annoying registration papers, shipping & handling, and retailing? Don't get me wrong, I'm not pissed at Valve about this, because they are obviously under contract to sell the game at this price, but if they weren't under contract I most certainly wouldn't be content with the "priviledge" of paying for bandwidth just so I can download a game which I paid full price for. Get my drift?

 

[wonkers]

The reason you're paying the same is because Valve aren't allowed to charge less for the Steam version of HL2 than the retail. In much the same way that they can't release it prior to the retail version.

Well then shoudn't Valve give us a manual or extra stuff to compensate for the money they "HAVE" to charge us? It's like saying because we're allready drunk they have to screw us. That doesn't make sense at all.

It's not like they have to take advantage of us. No box/Cd's.DVDs/manual either retail or steam/no way to get a discount on DOD retail. It's all stacking up to sound not so cool. How hard is it to make a quality manual, DVD format and give DOD & CSS for the collectors addition? I will have to pay like 45$ CA. just to get the same DOD that other people had the chance to get for a lot less?

I have a problem with it. Not to mention the holding of HL2 for the holiday season. If they were producing the game right now I would know. So they hold the game until the last second just to make a quick buck on a game they delayed this long then shafted us on?

Has the world gone tipsy turvey? Did hell take the overworld? Why does everyone else grab their ankles and say "MAY I have ANOTHER?"

 

[Ames]

I think valve is greedy in some aspects such as HL:Source. Charging money for a simple copy and paste into source that barely looks any different doesn't sound like a fair deal to me.

Valve I think, should give HL:source free to steam users as apology for the lies and delays we had to suffer through during HL2's development. Also DOD:source I think they are greedy in because I would like to play DOD:source if I own HL2 (so I could get it as a mod like with HL1)

It's only 10 dollars more...

 

[Asuka]

The reason you're paying the same is because Valve aren't allowed to charge less for the Steam version of HL2 than the retail. In much the same way that they can't release it prior to the retail version.

That is correct. People need to stop complaining about games being to much money. It really pisses me off, i loss all respect for people like that. If you cant afford to buy games stop making excuses and complaints about it, manage your money better or get a job. In my opinion games cost to little exspecialy the very good ones. Im happy to pay my 80$ for retail ce hl2. and upgrade to silver from my ati voucher and buy the book. I support people who put so much time and effert into pleasing us. They need to eat and live also.