PS3 and Xbox2 Graphics

Conceptual images.....id rather see actual gameplay
 
Well maybe the video cards of next year will be like that, we don't know. Is it that hard to believe, because these look similar to 3DMark05's graphics.
 
RTFMy said:
Consoles can't do that for actual gameplay.
Just a cut scene or something, PC will always be a step ahead.
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In case you have not noticed the XBOX 2 will feature an ATI R500 graphics chipset that exceeds what an X800XT is capable of.
 
It says "Coming 2005," the Xbox2 can't be that close can it? I mean that's early even if it's December 2005.
 
they're using their own engine for the game, and it isn't confirmed for xbox 2. they are still talking with ohter hardware vendors etc.
 
[Matt] said:
In case you have not noticed the XBOX 2 will feature an ATI R500 graphics chipset that exceeds what an X800XT is capable of.
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Have fun paying a shitload of money for it then.
 
I'm more interested in Sony's proprietary GFX processor and their new "Cell" CPU. :rolling:
 
WhiteZero said:
I'm more interested in Sony's proprietary GFX processor and their new "Cell" CPU. :rolling:
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I am all for it. I read a stat that says ps3 = the power of 100 ps2's.
 
obviously it won't cost a massive amount otherwise they wouldn't bother releasing it.

and obviously it's goign to have 'immense' power.

would you pay $800 for a console ? people did for a ps2.
 
I think a lot of people are underestimating the power of next gen consoles. They will be very powerful far excedding andything a computer can do today and maybee for the next 2 years or so. Yes the in game graphics are going to look like CGI but they arent.

As for those pictures I am not sure whether they are CGI or not because I dont know if even EA has gotten a PS3 dev kit. Howevor Many companies have had the xbox 2 dev kit for a while now.


If the xbox 2 is released in november 2005 im wondering if microsoft is jumping the gun. I never bought a PS2 because I thought of the xbox as a technologically superior platform even befor the PS2 was released. A more powerfull system doesnt always mean better graphics, it allows the developers to do so many things that they wouldnt be able to do with a Piece of shit. For instance the worlds could be much bigger and more interactive, less load times, better AI......... If the ps3 cell is as powerfull as mentioned then it would probably blow the xbox2 out of the water. The average gamer probably wont notice this for a while untill they start seeing more innovative games come out for the ps3. I suspect we would see a lot of bias towards the ps3 if the xbox2 was released in 2005 and the ps3 in 2006. The same thing happened with xbox when it was released after the ps2. The ps3 wont get the fan fare it deserves. I rember when xbox live was coming out all the magazines were busy hyping the ps2 online capabilities which were far less then xbox. Not many people gave a shit about xbox live. They all thought it was a scam for microsoft to get even more money. Not untill nearly a year later did xbox live actually start getting the attention it should have. If xbox 2 is released in 2005 then it will gaurantee microsoft alot of exculsive titles and it will definatly sell a lot of systems. When xbox came out I rember see advertisments everywhere that compared its system specs to ps2's and gamecubes. I suspect we will see the same this time. I still do not know who is going to have the faster system, but If the cell is all its hyped up to be then I would have to go for the ps3. Because I have a job now I will most likely get both systems so I wont have to worry about any of this over again.
 
blackeye said:
I think a lot of people are underestimating the power of next gen consoles. They will be very powerful far excedding andything a computer can do today and maybee for the next 2 years or so.
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a pc will...always...be more powerful than the current console....take for example someone said the x800 xt wont be as powerful as whats going in the ps3 or xbox2..well..by the time those come out.....there highend card for PC will simply DEMOlish the x800....plus im sure SLI will be implemented greatly by that time...which means while u guys are playin ur uber cool ps3 in 2006....ill have 2 6800 GT's or better (theyll come down in price by then) blowin u outta the water by end of 2005
 
I think a lot of people are underestimating the power of next gen consoles. They will be very powerful far excedding andything a computer can do today
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My bullshit meter just went off.
 
1.)
The NFS
and the Madden Football
As said in a report:
ITS WHAT GRAPHICS COULD BECOME WITH NEXT GENERATION CONSOLES, NOT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE.

Infact we can render UE:3 GRAPHICS. WE HAVE WITH DUAL 6800'S AT SMOOTH FRAME RATES.

So, they will become more affordable, and more people will have them within a year.
 
When consoles come to the market they are most of the times far more powerfull them computers, but computers catch them in about a year.
They xbox 2 is probably going to have a 3ghz processor and is going to be 128 bit, that is comperable to a 12 ghz pc or 6ghz 64 bit pc in theory, in any case the xbox2 and ps3 will be more powerfull than any computer when they come out. Secondly consoles can take advantage of new innovation that pc's cant in ways of processing or graphics, if you look at the way the pc's work today and consoles like the ps3, the ps3 though less powerfull in terms of cpu and gpu has a far more advanced architecture.
 
sublidieminal said:
I am all for it. I read a stat that says ps3 = the power of 100 ps2's.
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And remember how the PS2 was powerful enough to run the world while simultaneously playing games and controling nuclear warheads. Hype is a wonderful thing.
 
I would just like to point you to a peice of writting on gamespy for some of you unbelievers.

http://xbox.gamespy.com/articles/527/527245p1.html

Basically it states.
-Atleast one of the systems (because there might be 3 versions) might have a 106.79gb hard drive or some other form of storage device. (this is shown in a picture, from a development kit) Possible flash media.
-The Processor's will be based on Powerpc Technology. Similar to what you will find in a G5.
-The xbox 2 will have a single CPU with 3 cores each at 3.5ghz.
-21 billion instruction per second.
-Might not be backwords compatible
-Development kits issued to studios were modified G5's
-The graphics will have a custom designed 500MHZ gpu from ATI.
-Much more powerfull then the R400
-3.0 pixel shading
-Possible we might have VGA outputs


The artical doesnt say this but im guessing it will have 256 or 512 of memory

So im guessing that the GPU is going to be similar to what ATI is expected to release for the PC this spring then the xbox 2 is going to be more powerfull for about 1 year maybee less maybee more. If you were to get a computer that runs as fast as the xbox 2 you would be spending a couple thousand dollars.
 
Grey Fox said:
When consoles come to the market they are most of the times far more powerfull them computers, but computers catch them in about a year.
They xbox 2 is probably going to have a 3ghz processor and is going to be 128 bit, that is comperable to a 12 ghz pc or 6ghz 64 bit pc in theory, in any case the xbox2 and ps3 will be more powerfull than any computer when they come out. Secondly consoles can take advantage of new innovation that pc's cant in ways of processing or graphics, if you look at the way the pc's work today and consoles like the ps3, the ps3 though less powerfull in terms of cpu and gpu has a far more advanced architecture.
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you are completely ignorant......so your saying the xbox at 733mhz w/ 128 bit technology was equivilent to ohhh i dont know...say a 4 ghz pc.......it doesnt work like that....a 6ghz 64 bit processor does not equal a 12ghz 32 bit processor......with all that being said....the xbox2 will NOT be as powerful as the highest end equipment for PC..the day xbox2 goes on sale.......

secondly...how do consoles take advantage of new and innovative ways of processing and graphics that pc's cant???...lol...COMPUTER companies build these consoles....i.e. Intel, Nvidia, ATI...... :rolleyes:
 
ryanmw said:
you are completely ignorant......so your saying the xbox at 733mhz w/ 128 bit technology was equivilent to ohhh i dont know...say a 4 ghz pc.......it doesnt work like that....a 6ghz 64 bit processor does not equal a 12ghz 32 bit processor......with all that being said....the xbox2 will NOT be as powerful as the highest end equipment for PC..the day xbox2 goes on sale.......

secondly...how do consoles take advantage of new and innovative ways of processing and graphics that pc's cant???...lol...COMPUTER companies build these consoles....i.e. Intel, Nvidia, ATI...... :rolleyes:
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Um the xbox was a 32 bit system.

Lay off on the rude comments please or I will report you to a mod. And I dont mean just this thread because you are doing it in every single xbox 2 thread that is started.

For all of you interested this is another thing for xbox 2 specs.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mmedia/display/20040627030133.html
 
blackeye said:
Um the xbox was a 32 bit system.

Lay off on the rude comments please or I will report you to a mod. And I dont mean just this thread because you are doing it in every single xbox 2 thread that is started.

For all of you interested this is another thing for xbox 2 specs.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mmedia/display/20040627030133.html
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ahem....i simply was saying your ignorant...look it up in the dictionary...it means doesnt know what your talking about.....and can i ask you a question..why was the Nintendo64 called N64?? lol :upstare:

xbox is 128 bits there champ...as is ps2


PS.....triple core processor at 3.5ghz does not mean 3 processors each at 3.5ghz as you stated a few posts above
 
ryanmw said:
ahem....i simply was saying your ignorant...look it up in the dictionary...it means doesnt know what your talking about.....and can i ask you a question..why was the Nintendo64 called N64?? lol :upstare:

xbox is 128 bits there champ...as is ps2


PS.....triple core processor at 3.5ghz does not mean 3 processors each at 3.5ghz as you stated a few posts above
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The nintendo 64 may have been 64 bit, but that doesnt mean the xbox is 128bits. The xbox is infact a 32 bit system as far as the cpu goes.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1561&p=2

And If I said that there are 3 cpu's each at 3.5ghz that is not what I meant. Beacuse 3 core cpu is infact 3 cores on a single cpu. But im sure you knew that and your just looking for a reason to start an argument. Howevor I think i did state it very clearly when I said xbox 2 will feature a single cpu with cores at 3.5ghz.
 
blackeye said:
The nintendo 64 may have been 64 bit, but that doesnt mean the xbox is 128bits. The xbox is infact a 32 bit system as far as the cpu goes.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1561&p=2
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so lets go back to Grey Fox's post...he said the xbox2 will be on a 128 bit system...theoretically equivelent to a 12ghz 32 bit cpu....is this correct?..so the xbox2 is jumping from a 32 bit cpu to a 128 bit one? Do see where the logic is failing?...of course the intel cpu is going to be 32 bit...the bus is 128 bits...thats wat is meant by a 128 bit system


EDIT: sorry i meant grey fox...that set aside....the xbox is 128 bit system...the xbox2 will probably be 256
 
ryanmw said:
so lets go back to ur post before...you said the xbox2 will be on a 128 bit system...theoretically equivelent to a 12ghz 32 bit cpu....is this correct?..so the xbox2 is jumping from a 32 bit cpu to a 128 bit one? Do see where your logic fails
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Please be my guest and quote me where I said the xbox 2 will be a 128 bit system.

Please do so.

Please, oh please. :dozey:

Edit: Ok now you realized it was grey fox not me. Good Job.

But anyway The xbox 2 will not be a 256 bit system. It will most likely be a 64 bit system like the powerpc cpu's in the G5.
 
please read edit......when you say xbox is a 32 bit system that to me says that the xbox entirely is 32bits..not just the cpu...hence my previous post
 
You knew I was talking about cpu's long ago you are just trying to dig yourself out of a shithole.
 
I'm guessing that the Xbox's cpu is 32 bits. The 128-bit part is the GPU, 128-bit GRAPHICS. Although I thought the Xbox was 256-bit.
 
blackeye said:
You knew I was talking about cpu's long ago you are just trying to dig yourself out of a shithole.
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how am i digging myself out of a shithole? please reread this entire thread before stating something so ignorant ...again

it doesnt even matter ne more im tired of fighting....basically heres what it comes down to

A) The xbox2 no doubt is going to be a sweet ass system that people will be able to afford that should last for 2 years
B) It will not beat out the top of the line pc's in terms of performance however if your a gamer, the performance will definately be one of the best bang for buck systems to play a video game on
C) xbox2 is not going to equal a 12 ghz 32 bit cpu..thats just silly because it is powered by a 32 bit processor clocked at 3.5ghz...also it wont have a "processor with 3 cores each clocked at 3.5ghz"...its going to be one processor..with 3 cores
D)in terms of gameplay it is purely a matter of preference since both pc and console has advantages and disadvantages
E) i will probably be getting one...because there are games i like for consoles that i dont like playing on pc...racing games for one....
F) I am not starting a flame war against console users...i just want people to know the facts and what is right and what is wrong. If someone is going to tell you that an xbox2 is going to kick the shit out of a PC when it comes out, than that person was severely misinformed. When the current high end video card alone costs 500-600 dollars for PC, there really isnt an incentive for the manufacturers to implement an entire system that will beat a highest end PC for less than 500 bucks.....

cliff notes: if a $500 xbox2 can outperform a $2-3000 gaming computer...the manufacturers are not doing their jobs

all set aside...itll be awesome...i for one cant wait
 
Grey Fox said:
When consoles come to the market they are most of the times far more powerfull them computers, but computers catch them in about a year.
They xbox 2 is probably going to have a 3ghz processor and is going to be 128 bit, that is comperable to a 12 ghz pc or 6ghz 64 bit pc in theory, in any case the xbox2 and ps3 will be more powerfull than any computer when they come out. Secondly consoles can take advantage of new innovation that pc's cant in ways of processing or graphics, if you look at the way the pc's work today and consoles like the ps3, the ps3 though less powerfull in terms of cpu and gpu has a far more advanced architecture.
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They havent even widely released the 64 bit, how do you know they have a 128 bit even ready yet? Plus, wouldnt such a high end processor coupled with an incredible video card cost too much?
 
C) xbox2 is not going to equal a 12 ghz 32 bit cpu..thats just silly because it is powered by a 32 bit processor clocked at 3.5ghz...also it wont have a "processor with 3 cores each clocked at 3.5ghz"...its going to be one processor..with 3 cores
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I never said that xbox 2 is going to equal a 12ghz 32 bit cpu.

Most likely xbox 2 will not be 32 bit.

And I fail to realize how a processor with 3 cores each clocked at 3.5 ghz is going to be different then one processor with 3 cores. The cores on the xbox 2 are all the exact same ghz, and they all share the same cache.

Oh and maybee you should starting reading the names above the posts because you are saying im ignorant but you are quoting things other people have said.
 
blackeye said:
I never said that xbox 2 is going to equal a 12ghz 32 bit cpu.
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i never said u did, did I?

blackeye said:
Most likely xbox 2 will not be 32 bit.

And I fail to realize how a processor with 3 cores each clocked at 3.5 ghz is going to be different then one processor with 3 cores. The cores on the xbox 2 are all the exact same ghz, and they all share the same cache.

Oh and maybee you should starting reading the names above the posts because you are saying im ignorant but you are quoting things other people have said.
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the cpu will operate at 3.5ghz essentially...if its going to have 3 cores that doesnt necessarily mean its going to be 3 times faster....it will be a little faster but all 3 will have to use the same memory controller and bus...unlike a system that uses 3 seperate processors...this is where people get confused...take an amd opteron for example..or dual g5..both are clocked at 2ghz...yet an FX-55 single core simply annihalates both for gaming...the triple core is going to help..yes...but will it mean "omg itll be like a computer with three 3.5ghz processors now" ..absolutely not
 
Military have 256bit systems.
I don't even think the military has 512bit systems x__X.

WHO THE HELL CARES HOW FAST IT IS, ALL YOU ARE IS PUTTING THE XBOX2(A PC IN DISGUISE) VS A PC.
WHAT THE HELL!

Going from 32bit to 64bit does not mean a double in speed. It will allow for more real graphics and at the same time make things like notepad require a little more power.(I think anyway). Now eventually yes it will become a double in speed.

But when you say Xbox2 will be faster than pc's well, then. Tell me, if consoles eventually took over pc's. Pc sales dropped tremendously and it became rare to have them. Consoles had IM, internet exploring etc.. THEN WHAT THE HELL WOULD MAKE THEM DIFFRENT FROM A PC.

all consoles are is a pc targeted tword gaming.
Like a calculator is a stripped down pc targeted tword calculating and showing the user numbers.

Pc's will always be all around better. Why? Because if a console got all the things a PC had then it would be a Pc thus it cannot be all around better than a Pc, thus it is inevitable a pc will rule on top. Plus you have SUPER COMPUTERS. Those wil rule out on top.

Thus in the end, a Pc is overall better when you include everything it can do.
 
by the time xbox 2 comes out pc will own its graphics x a billion
 
Another wonderful side with the pc is downloading stuff and open source :)
 
the cpu will operate at 3.5ghz essentially...if its going to have 3 cores that doesnt necessarily mean its going to be 3 times faster....it will be a little faster but all 3 will have to use the same memory controller and bus...unlike a system that uses 3 seperate processors...this is where people get confused...take an amd opteron for example..or dual g5..both are clocked at 2ghz...yet an FX-55 single core simply annihalates both for gaming...the triple core is going to help..yes...but will it mean "omg itll be like a computer with three 3.5ghz processors now" ..absolutely not
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First of all to my knowledge their is ony one game in existance that uses more then one cpu and that game is quake 3. If the opterons were clocked at the exact same speed as and fx-55 and you didnt have to use registered memory then the opteron where perform nearly identical to the fx-55.

Here is a quote that explains the triple cores on the xbox 2.

The Xbox 2’s central processing unit is a custom processor based on PowerPC technology. The CPU includes three independent processors (cores) on a single die. Each core runs at 3.50GHz speed of faster. The Xbox 2 microprocessor can issue two instructions per clock cycle per core. At peak performance, Xenon can issue 21 billion instructions per second.

The chip for Microsoft’s future console was designed by IBM in close consultation with the Xbox team, leading to a number of revolutionary additions, including a dot product instruction for extremely fast vector math and custom security features built directly into the silicon to prevent piracy and hacking.

Each core has two symmetric hardware threads (SMT), for a total of six hardware threads available to games. Not only does the “Xenon CPU” include the standard set of PowerPC integer and floating-point registers (one set per hardware thread), the microprocessor also includes 128 vector (VMX) registers per hardware thread. This astounding number of registers can drastically improve the speed of common mathematical operations, according to the document.

Each of the three cores includes a 32KB L1 instruction cache, a 32KB L1 data cache and share a 1MB L2 cache. The L2 cache can be locked down in segments to improve performance. The L2 cache also has the very unusual feature of being directly readable from the GPU, which allows the GPU to consume geometry and texture data from L2 and main memory simultaneously.

Microsoft claims that instructions of the next-generation console are exposed to games through compiler intrinsic, allowing developers to access the power of the chip using C language notation.
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This is also worth the read.


The Xbox 2 will have 256MB or more of unified memory, equally accessible to both the GPU and CPU.

The main memory controller resides on the GPU (the same as in the Xbox architecture). It has 22.4GB/sec or higher aggregate bandwidth to RAM, distributed between reads and writes. Aggregate means that the bandwidth may be used for all reading or all writing or any combination of the two. Translated into game performance, the GPU can consume a 512×512×32-bpp texture in only 47 microseconds.

The front side bus (FSB) bandwidth peak is 10.8GB/sec for reads and 10.8GB/sec for writes, over 20 times faster than for Xbox. Note that the 22.4GB/sec main memory bandwidth is shared between the CPU and GPU. If, for example, the CPU is using 2GB/sec for reading and 1GB/sec for writing on the FSB, the GPU has 19.4GB/sec available for accessing RAM.

Eight pixels (where each pixel is colour plus z = 8 bytes) can be sent to the EDRAM every GPU clock cycle, for an EDRAM write bandwidth of 32GB/sec. Each of these pixels can be expanded through multisampling to 4 samples, for up to 32 multi-sampled pixel samples per clock cycle. With alpha blending, z-test, and z-write enabled, this is equivalent to having 256GB/sec of effective bandwidth! The important thing is that frame buffer bandwidth will never slow down the Xbox 2 GPU.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture/?src=/images/news/2004-04/xbox2_scheme_bg.gif&1=1
 
Minerel said:
XBOX2(A PC IN DISGUISE)
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I don't know why people bother to say the "xbox = cpu" comments, because a Playstaton 2 is a computer entertainment system, as stated by Sony.
 
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