Putins rising power

[Hiji]

http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaileditorial.asp?fileid=20041216.F01&irec=3

Very scary stuff. Putin could be a major threat to the world in a few years. My theory: Back before 2001, Putin warned the United States that Iraq was planning a terrorist attack against america. When 911 came, it influnced us more to focus on Saddam. Putin played it smart and decided to stay out of the war. By doing this he gained support from anti-war countries but he still had the support of America for the information. Now, the men that America sent to Iraq that were stationed in foreign countries were mostly from Asia. The number of men there is now reduced. With Putin gaining more and more power everyday, coming close to pure power, he could pose a serious threat to Asia. As you probably know Russia and China have scheduled war games. Imagine what would happen: Two powerful countires both with a supply of nuclear weapons and little U.S. support in Asia.

 

[Xenome]

Russia isn't that powerful anymore.. it's a collapsed country so to speak.. and it's military power isn't much anymore either

 

[DoctorGordon3]

Sounds good, maybe now the US wont be so arrogant.

 

[VaKo]

Back before 2001, Putin warned the United States that Iraq was planning a terrorist attack against america.

I'm sorry... but what the **** are you on about?? The hijackers were saudi... the money behind 911 was saudi... Iraq had nothing to do with 09/11.

As for Russia, i'm part Latvian and we remeber exactly what the Russians were like last time they were talking like this... 53% of the population were deported...

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Of Latvia, or Russia? Surely someone noticed.

Oh, as for the Hijackers being Saudi, they were still recruited and had killed themselves even though. There was also no money behind 9/11 -- its why Osama Bin Laden had to Hijack our planes and use them as bombs.

He honestly, could'nt afford anything else.

BTW, whats Putin doing? We never hear of it.

 

[VaKo]

Latvia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Latvia

I wish i could travel half way around the world, live in the states for 6 months, go to strip joints and bars, train as a comercial pilot and afford internal plane tickets all for free then...

It was a low cost operation, but you cannot move people around the world and support them without some funding. How did they afford there plane tickets? There ID cards? There food? There knives? There computers and phone bills? There pens and paper?

David

 

[K e r b e r o s]

No, you're also wrong there. We funded Osama Bin Laden early on by training his Soldiers to repell the Russian Army. He also got his money by working as a Defense Contractor for Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Whilst reguarded as a terrorists, noone wanted to remove him.

He was that charismatic.

 

[VaKo]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303A.shtml <-- we should really work on a FAQ about acceptable resources and infomation sources before continuing.

No, you're also wrong there. We funded Osama Bin Laden early on by training his Soldiers to repell the Russian Army. He also got his money by working as a Defense Contractor for Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Whilst reguarded as a terrorists, noone wanted to remove him.

He was that charismatic.

So really, america is entirely responsible for 9/11 since your goverment did nothing to stop in happen?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Actually, were not. Osama Bin Laden devised the plan, and went with it. We were just spectators to the whole thing ... when it happened.

 

[VaKo]

But there is enough evidence to suggest prior knowledge...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=9/11+"prior+knowledge"&btnG=Search&meta=
(read it, make your own mind up and never take anything for face value)

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Putin irks me.. but he could go totally either way for Russia.

He could help continue a democratic trend (aside from the previous election scandal, but it's unclear on that, nothing 'blatant') or he could plunge it into another rule of dictators, albeit he would probably be a benevolent dictator if so.

Like, the other day, I saw a picture of a Russian military camp. Rather than there being a grand Russian flag behind the troops, there was a huge, Mao-esque picture of Putin behind them.

 

[Raziaar]

Russia can barely afford to keep their air force pilots well trained by having regular flight sessions. If they scrape together all their resources, they might make some impact, but not enough really.

 

[VaKo]

Leaders using the Cult of Personality is always a bad sign... but a worse one has to be Putin making regional goveners apointed rather than elected.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Russja needs a war to get out of that mess.

 

[Eg.]

heres a another one, last week putin made it so that only his appointmenst could run for govener.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

lol?...

 

[gh0st]

At least in Russia vs. US II, I can make use of my Glock.

 

[VaKo]

F**k joining in... if the US and Russia go to war i'm moving to Tuvala... mainly because no one knows or cares about it.

 

[Johan_Tayn]

I don't think Putin is as much a danger to the US as to his own people. But, then again, I don't know much about whats going on over there..

I still wonder if it was them who told the Iraqis we were coming.

 

[Shad0hawK]

At least in Russia vs. US II, I can make use of my Glock.

actually i think we should let germany and france handle it. maybe the UN could do something(*laugh*)

of course after they botch it we will have to save them..again...and be hated and resented more for it.

 

[Johan_Tayn]

actually i think we should let germany and france handle it. maybe the UN could do something(*laugh*)

of course after they botch it we will have to save them..again...and be hated and resented more for it.

tru dat.

 

[Absinthe]

Ivan's going crazy. :O

 

[el Chi]

Why on Earth are people seeing Putin as such a threat? He really hasn't been that bad a leader for Russia and besides, he doesn't have a lot to work with, he's really had to make do.
Also, he may be a tad harsh but he's not afraid to just do something to find a solution, he doesn't f*ck about. The hostage situation in the theatre, for example. People died, which was tragic but that was more than a little bit to do with the shortage of trained medical personnal on the immediate scene. Other than that, it was an extremely tricky situation that could have ended up an awful lot worse.
As for Russia's continued "involvement" with Checnya - well, of course it's terrible but I highly doubt any Russian leader (ex-KGB or not) is going to simply pull out of there. Of course it's ironic that some countries get highly criticised by the US/other Western nations for such actions. Russia, however, doesn't get a particularly high profile for this. I wonder why...

 

[seinfeldrules]

If Bush had declared that only his canidates could be Governors, the world would have been burned by all the crazy liberals.

 

[el Chi]

The "crazy" liberals? :hmph:

 

[Korgoth]

he's sayin he wouldn't care if bush did that only the crazy liberals would... Just shows how dedicated one is...

 

[seinfeldrules]

The "crazy" liberals?

Yeah, you know the nutsos with long hair that would demonstrate if Bush helped an old lady across the street. Not the normal liberals. These are like the KKK extremists from the Conservative side.

he's sayin he wouldn't care if bush did that only the crazy liberals would... Just shows how dedicated one is...

Where did I say that? I think Putin is taking way too much power and people should be just as concerned about this as they are of America.

 

[gh0st]

Also, he may be a tad harsh but he's not afraid to just do something to find a solution, he doesn't f*ck about.

Sound familiar? These same traits that you all hate GWB for, you like in Putin huh?

 

[el Chi]

Hmmm... Not quite the same. Bush has often made "tough" decisions based on lies and pressures/agendas from big business.
The way Putin tried to solve that hostage crisis is nothing like the same as the way things have been handled in Guantanamo Bay, for example.
Besides, it's not as if I said the sun shines out of his arse.

 

[Kangy]

Hmmm... Not quite the same. Bush has often made "tough" decisions based on lies and pressures/agendas from big business.
The way Putin tried to solve that hostage crisis is nothing like the same as the way things have been handled in Guantanamo Bay, for example.
Besides, it's not as if I said the sun shines out of his arse.

No.

It shines from his eyes! I just lurve his eyes!

Err, anyway, Putin really isn't a threat. He's rebuilding a country of size slowly, and obviously he's going to have to push a few things to make progress.

 

[Hiji]

Russia can barely afford to keep their air force pilots well trained by having regular flight sessions. If they scrape together all their resources, they might make some impact, but not enough really.

This is when a country is most dangerous. If you havent heard, theres a rising communist influence. There has been many rallies but with only about 20 people there. Putin has passed laws limiting protests to less than 20 for certian cases. A country could go either way. The extreme left and the extreme right. Both could bring a country out of economic mayhem, with serious consequences of course.

 

[Hiji]

I'm sorry... but what the **** are you on about?? The hijackers were saudi... the money behind 911 was saudi... Iraq had nothing to do with 09/11.

I didnt say that the hijackers were iraqi. I said thats what Putin was trying to warn America about to influence us to attack iraq.

 

[CptStern]

now why would Putin want to attack iraq? they've had business dealings with them for decades ...you dont attack your customers

 

[seinfeldrules]

According to hiji's theory, he wanted America to attack Iraq so he could perform his 'reforms' without the world's attention upon him. Pretty clever if that was true.

 

[el Chi]

Yes but the world doesn't usually pay Russia too much attention as it is. Occasionally we get annoyed at Russia being in Chechnya, occasionally we get angered by the Chechen terrorist acts in Russia. But generally the world media doesn't act as if it cares much. So in that respect all he has to be concerned with are the Russian people themselves.

 

[Korgoth]

Aren't russia and china planning some joint military operations and war games later this year? Could have swore I read something about that somewhere...

Just more fuel for the fire here. (and btw anyone who is trying to say i trust putin over bush is retarded, they are both snakey bastards)

 

[Hiji]

Aren't russia and china planning some joint military operations and war games later this year? Could have swore I read something about that somewhere...

Yes your correct. I also believe I read that they have been exchanging weapons recently.

 

[Sprafa]

I am totally for Putin if he can get Russia back up.

 

[Operation Ivy]

Putin isnt the growing the problem its China. Just because China and Russia are having some war games means nothing, China and Russia have fought each other for hundreds of years, one little exerice isnt going to make them friends. Besides China is really starting to eat up oil, and with oil gettin dim in the ME, guess where the rest of the oil is..***ssia.
China is the growing powerhouse in Asia and in 40-50years will be the #1 superpower with the US and Europe behind them.

 

[Eg.]

god willing, japan will inade china again, and in WWIII, gemany will invade the middle east