Question about Gordon & Shephard

[Doctor Evil]

Obviously Gordon & Shephard are tools of GMan's, but does GMan have other people like Gordon? Are Freeman and Shephard the only tools at GMan's disposal? Or are there others?

 

[ktimekiller]

shephard is not at gmans disposal at the moment, he was rejected, and we dont know if there are others, at least i think.

 

[jimmyjam]

while we're making stuff up, alyx is also half-vortigaunt
true facts

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Well, as much as I hate Shepard, it makes sence he'll return. The G-Man locked him away as he was a witness, however, loads of others escaped and he didn't seem to care. Now the whole world knows about Black mesa anyway, so the G-Man must have another porpose with him.
But hopefully not. He sucks.

EDIT: Various spelling corrections.

DOUBLE EDIT: In answer to your question, we don't know.

 

[Arkangel]

he may have, but none that we have encountered in any hl game so far.

and shephard will return!!

 

[Asknoone]

he may have, but none that we have encountered in any hl game so far.

and shephard will not return!!

Fixed.

 

[Rennmniscant]

Oops, sorry Samon, you nearly had it fixed.

he may have, but none that we have encountered in any hl game so far.

and shephard will NEVER return!!

There... much better
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Seriously now, as I remember, the Gman was all in favour of Shephard's skills, but his benefactors were a bit iffy about it. Who knows, this incident with the vorts might see the Gman begging a bit more slack from his employers, thus able to release Shep for his own purposes/entertainment.

 

[Asknoone]

I doubt Gman even has employers, he seems to be very much working alone. This adds to my theory that everything the Gman said to you at the end of HL1 was a well constructed lie in order to coax Gordon into thinking that accepting Gmans offer would come as a benefit to humanity.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

Or maybe he was telling the truth and thought that you would prefer living to dieing

 

[Arkangel]

samon, you really need to stop being so anti-everthing-that-you-don't-like

and why would gman lie to you? if something happens that he doesn't like he can just teleport you out into space or something..

 

[Asknoone]

He doesn't want Gordon to decline the offer - he isn't in the interest of letting someone as talented and skillfull as Gordon ultimately 'commit suicide'. Gordon works on the basis that he is helping humanity, and if Gman can coax Gordon into believing accepting this offer will be in the interest of aiding humanity then he is going to go ahead and hand over a well constructed lie to Gordon.

The idea of things you don't like, is being anti towards them.

 

[Langolier]

He doesn't want Gordon to decline the offer - he isn't in the interest of letting someone as talented and skillfull as Gordon ultimately 'commit suicide'. Gordon works on the basis that he is helping humanity, and if Gman can coax Gordon into believing accepting this offer will be in the interest of aiding humanity then he is going to go ahead and hand over a well constructed lie to Gordon.

The idea of things you don't like, is being anti towards them.

...and so far the G-Man has been helping humanity. Granted, I don't think he made any mention of that in the first Half-Life anyway. It's not as if Gordon saw HL2 coming. He was under the impression the whole catastrophe was coming to an end. It really was a choice between life and death, and he chose life.

...anyway, as I was saying... I would say taking down the Citadel and isolating the Combine forces on Earth was beneficial to humanity. True, they face another epic war and the danger of extinction, but they have a chance to survive. Under Breen they faced extinction via assimilation into the Combine and no chance for anything else.

 

[Asknoone]

Well, I'm merely going off the character bio in the strat guide, which was written by Laidlaw I believe - it says that Gordon chose the offer in hope of aiding humanity. I'm pretty sure whatever happens to humanity is no concern of Gman - he is furthering his own goals, and humanity benefits from it. But I highly doubt he cares, he pretty much left Alyx for dead.

 

[Ipwnthenoobs]

I doubt Gman even has employers, he seems to be very much working alone. This adds to my theory that everything the Gman said to you at the end of HL1 was a well constructed lie in order to coax Gordon into thinking that accepting Gmans offer would come as a benefit to humanity.

He had employers during hl1.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

He had employers during hl1.

Thats what I thought, but Samon may have a point.
The one thing against your theory Samon is he tells Adrian he's got employers. Why would he lie to Adrian, becuase that corporal ain't going no where (and hopefully never will).:stare:

 

[Langolier]

Thats what I thought, but Samon may have a point.
The one thing against your theory Samon is he tells Adrian he's got employers. Why would he lie to Adrian, becuase that corporal ain't going no where (and hopefully never will).:stare:

He tells Gordon he has employers too.

I've always assumed that by employers he meant whomever he'd sold his services too. Though it could also be some organization that controls who he sells his assets too. I'm not yet convinced that the G-Man is anything but a tool used by some higher power (alien, not God) just like Gordon.

 

[bbson john]

Thats what I thought, but Samon may have a point.
The one thing against your theory Samon is he tells Adrian he's got employers. Why would he lie to Adrian, becuase that corporal ain't going no where (and hopefully never will).:stare:

Perhaps G-man really wanted to shut everyone up and pretend there was nothing happened in black Mesa. However, he failed to do so, some scientists still escaped (because of the lack of manpower, lack of employees like G-man). So he started his plan B, which was what he did in Half-life2.

 

[Asknoone]

Thats what I thought, but Samon may have a point.
The one thing against your theory Samon is he tells Adrian he's got employers. Why would he lie to Adrian, becuase that corporal ain't going no where (and hopefully never will).:stare:

Well, Gearbox will be Gearbox...

He had employers during hl1.

You don't know that.

 

[Ipwnthenoobs]

Thats what I thought, but Samon may have a point.
The one thing against your theory Samon is he tells Adrian he's got employers. Why would he lie to Adrian, becuase that corporal ain't going no where (and hopefully never will).:stare:

You don't know that.

Didnt you hear the line in hl1 when gman said "My employers Disagree" ? Obviously not.

 

[Vass]

Hey guys, employers means people you work for, so the G-Man is talking about his bosses. Not an employee.

 

[Asknoone]

Didnt you hear the line in hl1 when gman said "My employers Disagree" ? Obviously not.

Yes, that totally implies he was also telling the truth there. Nice one.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Didnt you hear the line in hl1 when gman said "My employers Disagree" ? Obviously not.

Aye, but how do you know he's not lying there?
He is a very slippery guy. You can never tell what he is going to do next. He can manipulate practicly anybody. Gordon, Adrian, the resistance, there all just tools to him.
In HL1 he needed Gordon, and he was willing to lie, cheat, steal, kill, etc. in order to get him. Even to Gordon himself. :stare:

EDIT: Spelling/grammer.

 

[esplin]

Samon, we know the G-man has employers. You know why?

Because Gearbox, Race X, Adrian Shephard, Glenn the Great, Michael Bay, Paul Anderson, Uwe Boll, Shinji Mikami, Ken Kutagari, and every Halo fanboy you've ever met told me so.

So there.

 

[Asknoone]

Noooooooooooooo!

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Rofl, this thread delivers.

 

[xirow]

Yes, that totally implies he was also telling the truth there. Nice one.

Until we have information indicating otherwise, I think we’ll have to assume he is telling the truth.

I really don’t see a reason to think the G-man was lying. If he didn’t want Gordon to decline his offer and if he didn’t want Gordon to ‘commit suicide’, he just shouldn’t have given him to option to chose. There is nothing Gordon can do about it.

 

[Asknoone]

Of course there is - he could keep Gordon contained, but he couldn't force Gordon into doing anything. He could only contain him, or kill him. Gordon just doesn't have to go anywhere.

 

[Tyguy]

isnt gman gordon from the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*hits head against desk for 8 hours*

 

[xirow]

Of course there is - he could keep Gordon contained, but he couldn't force Gordon into doing anything. He could only contain him, or kill him. Gordon just doesn't have to go anywhere.

I don’t think G-man can force Gordon into doing things for him by lying to Gordon. Gordon is doing his own things and he’s only listening to Eli and Kleiner (and Barney and Alyx).

 

[Asknoone]

Through Gmans influence, yes. Gordon is in contact with them through Gman, that is the he works. He works on Gordons impulse - he uses these people to guide Gordon because he know he will listen to them and he will fight for their cause.

 

[Ludah]

The idea of things you don't like, is being anti towards them.

Yes, but you exhibit a very snooty condescendence to pretty much anything that doesn't share in your ideas.

 

[Ipwnthenoobs]

Aye, but how do you know he's not lying there?
He is a very slippery guy. You can never tell what he is going to do next. He can manipulate practicly anybody. Gordon, Adrian, the resistance, there all just tools to him.
In HL1 he needed Gordon, and he was willing to lie, cheat, steal, kill, etc. in order to get him. Even to Gordon himself. :stare:

EDIT: Spelling/grammer.

He wasnt talking to Gordon or Adrian when he said it, He was talking to a scientist and you werent meant to hear him say it. So its safe to presume he was telling the truth.

 

[Asknoone]

Yes, but you exhibit a very snooty condescendence to pretty much anything that doesn't share in your ideas.

Thats nice. Take it to pm if you like, but don't drawl it over the forums.

 

[ríomhaire]

I think now, it was the g-man's employers that didn't want Shephard, maybe now that he is (seemingly) a free agent he will actually utilise him.

 

[victor]

How do you know G-Man hasn't already disposed of Shephard? It would make for an interesting game for Shephard to be brought out of stasis during the 7HW, in order to make some seemingly insignificant difference which would benefit G-Man, and die in the process. Or fail miserably and die in the process, just to keep things interesting.

Shephard dies, VALVe gets sequel, everybody's happy.

 

[Ipwnthenoobs]

How do you know G-Man hasn't already disposed of Shephard? It would make for an interesting game for Shephard to be brought out of stasis during the 7HW, in order to make some seemingly insignificant difference which would benefit G-Man, and die in the process. Or fail miserably and die in the process, just to keep things interesting.

Shephard dies, VALVe gets sequel, everybody's happy.

Valve wouldnt let Shephard die.

 

[ríomhaire]

I would. The 7 Hour War is an unwinable battle. It would fit for the character to die there.

 

[Max35]

I would. The 7 Hour War is an unwinable battle. It would fit for the character to die there.

Or go underground and form a tightly-wound resistance cell. Not that I want it to be Shephard mind you.

 

[victor]

Valve wouldnt let Shephard die.

This is precisely why they WOULD let Shephard die. It would be unexpected. And it could hardly make a big impact on the HL2 universe, since Shephard played no vital role in its creation, unlike the main characters.

 

[TheGMan.]

Ha, why do people dis-like Adrian Shephard so bad?