RPG!!! I'm sorry, i'm an alien from the future...

[majormajor]

One thing (ok, several) kill me about HL2. Knocking out dropships or whatever they are with what are basically RPGs.

I'm not a purist but in the Coast scene where a dropship attempts to intercept/destroy the Rebels. Like ffs, nuke the building/coast whatever.

Alien tech vs sawn off, no match, i'm sorry...

 

[B-MAn]

Huh? so whats bugging you?

 

[majormajor]

you name it - story, mods, DOD:source

san andreas in 7 days and BF2 in 20 days...adifukinos

 

[Ames]

It doesn't have to make shens.

Just think. When America went into Iraq or Afghanistan, why didn't they use nukes?

 

[T.H.C.138]

yeah but those "high-tech" aliens couldn't figure out how to teleport properly..so hell yeah an RPG could take 'em out!! why the hell not?

F*** GTA in all its forms BTW...glorifying thug life..sorry I live in a fairly "gangsta" area and even the little 4-5 year olds like to beat the hookers "to get mah money back,foo'!!"

 

[majormajor]

Shens is SeniorMember! OMG! Tell me he's under ten years old.

 

[B-MAn]

Shens is SeniorMember! OMG! Tell me he's under ten years old.

? What makes you think hes under 10yrs old

 

[majormajor]

the dropships never used them

 

[A True Canadian]

I'm not a purist but in the Coast scene where a dropship attempts to intercept/destroy the Rebels. Like ffs, nuke the building/coast whatever.

Alien tech vs sawn off, no match, i'm sorry...

If you had the choice would you nuke 'em, or try shooting rebels in a gunship?

It's easier just to send the gunship to do the dirty work than "nuke" the place. Besides, the combine are only in it for Earth's resources; it doesn't make sense to contaminate the precious water with a nuke.

 

[majormajor]

water! isn't sea water full of salt and fish?

Why not grab a passing comet?

I'd nuke the crap out of that house on the Coast level.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

What canadian said, and my thoughts to why the aliens don't have a 'RPG' as such, is because different races would develop different techniques to fighting, getting food, reproducing etc. The combine invade other planets in search of resources which is one big difference to the people on earth, and also the combine use different fighting weapons and strategies.

They developed the overwatch rifle with pulses and orbs to distingerate things, or the cannon on the strider, or pulses from dropships etc. Different things would approach such acts differently which is i guess what valve was going for.

 

[majormajor]

c'mon, throughout history the biggest !bang! wins.

i'm still up for a Combine mod of who can nuke the crap out of old Earth before Gordon wakes and grabs his - wait for it - iron bar

 

[ríomhaire]

c'mon, throughout history the biggest !bang! wins.

[cough]Vietnam[/cough]
[cough]Pass of Termopoly[/cough]
[cough]Roman's V Germanics[/cough]

 

[WhiteZero]

Actually, throughout history, the greatest tactitians win...
*cough*Revolutionary War*cough*

Try history class again, guy...

 

[Beerdude26]

Don't forget the second world war : Hitler bombed the crap out of Londen but he still didn't win. (Please note I'm talking about UK vs Third Reich, not US vs Japan)

 

[MarcoPollo]

We had ****ing napalm in vietnam and we still lost. Because the vietcongs were very strategic......Yeh what whitezero said. As for this thread, It took me like 10 mins to understand wtf u r trying to say.

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

They wouldn't waste that nuke on a handful of rebels.

That's what the headcrab missles are for...but unfortunately it wasn't used. (From what I've gathered from info on The Lost Coast they're short range.)

 

[r2000]

Maybe because the combine have a taboo over nukes? In the BOOK (the movie sucked) Battlefield Earth, the oppresive aliens, called pyschols considered uranium, even in small amounts deadly, because it caused alien oxygen to explode. In the same way, maybe the Combine never had the elements, or the ability to make nukes. Secondly, the combine need to train their solidiers. What better way than to shoot some rebel rabble on the coast into little pieces?

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

Maybe because the combine have a taboo over nukes? In the BOOK (the movie sucked) Battlefield Earth, the oppresive aliens, called pyschols considered uranium, even in small amounts deadly, because it caused alien oxygen to explode. In the same way, maybe the Combine never had the elements, or the ability to make nukes. Secondly, the combine need to train their solidiers. What better way than to shoot some rebel rabble on the coast into little pieces?

Alien oxygen? I've been told not to see it and I keep on hearing more reasons why.

 

[15357]

water! isn't sea water full of salt and fish?

Why not grab a passing comet?

I'd nuke the crap out of that house on the Coast level.

1. Its been polluted, contaminated, irridated, ect.

2. (1) are you ****ing insane? do you want to destroy the entire planet?

(2) Go try to grab one. I hope you never return.

3. Wasting resources.

 

[JellyWorld]

I don't think people would use a nuke to eliminate 5 rebels.

 

[Sheikah42]

water! isn't sea water full of salt and fish?

Why not grab a passing comet?

I'd nuke the crap out of that house on the Coast level.

i just keep reading that post over and over again

i think this guy is way too smart for all of us

 

[majormajor]

think about it - the water argument is nearly as lame as that film with Mel Gibson where the aliens hate water - like didn't they realise the earth was 80% water before landing??

Anyway, i'd just nuke the sh** out of those sheds on the Coast level.

Still can't see why you'd send troops - it's not like they're capturing anyone.

 

[r2000]

think about it - the water argument is nearly as lame as that film with Mel Gibson where the aliens hate water - like didn't they realise the earth was 80% water before landing??

Anyway, i'd just nuke the sh** out of those sheds on the Coast level.

Still can't see why you'd send troops - it's not like they're capturing anyone.

Once again, maybe nukes aren't something the combine make. Maybe they consider it necessary to capture these rebels. Maybe the transhuman forces need training, or has it ever ocurred to you, that a nuke is not something they may have the tech for. They may have a different tech tree than us.

 

[15357]

Once again, maybe nukes aren't something the combine make. Maybe they consider it necessary to capture these rebels. Maybe the transhuman forces need training, or has it ever ocurred to you, that a nuke is not something they may have the tech for. They may have a different tech tree than us.

QFT, QFE, QFTUDSS.

 

[RaptornasB]

Also have you considered that this is going to be a level in a 'Game', if you just get nuked in the first five minuites its not going to be that fun really now is it?.

And then theres the case of overkill, if the combine can indeed use nuclear missiles then it would still take a far larger amount of resources than to simply send a squad or two over there to do the job.

 

[Count Zero]

Let's face it, we want the enemy to be nasty and numerous, but we are not going to play a game where the enemy can just drop a nuke on the entire area and wipe out all the players. Where's the fun in that?

 

[Styloid]

-Nukes have huge costs in resources and time to build and launch.
-Soldiers are easily and quickly produced by the combine (and have been effective against the humans in the past).
-Rebel bases are small, numerous, and scattered (some near combine controlled areas).

scenario 1: Combine do not care about resources and blow it on many nukes each launched at seperate small locations and as a result damaging many of their own bases and outposts. Luckily, this allows the combine to spare the lives of the soldiers they care so much about.

scenario 2: Combine use resources to build their empire while throwing wave after wave of troops from their near infinite supply to keep the rebels in check.

 

[ríomhaire]

yeah, of course. The Combine should use a nuke. that would take care of any rebel basses along the coast! And Nova Prospekt!

 

[zodiak]

Also have you considered that this is going to be a level in a 'Game', if you just get nuked in the first five minuites its not going to be that fun really now is it?.

I wish more people think like that.

 

[Sid Burn]

It doesn't have to make shens.

Just think. When America went into Iraq or Afghanistan, why didn't they use nukes?

They probably want it to become their territory.

 

[sHaDdoW]

Remeber they can not "NUKE" the crap out of earth because they need its reasources

 

[Cole]

Yes!!
Also, think about this for a second.
Combine Soliders were once Human. Now you technically have humans vs humans fighting eachother. Thus destroying the race even more.
If you nuke you leave behind radiation, use tons of resources, blow up tons of resources, etc...

Just think. When America went into Iraq or Afghanistan, why didn't they use nukes?

Yeah we go nuke Iraq or Af!! Tons of radiation goes all over. We kill TONS of innocent civilians, aswell as make it hard to live there for many many many many years cuz of the radiation. We waste valuable resources (There and Here) and probably get alot more countries more pist off at us.
We in into Iraq to overthrow Saddam, to make it a democracy, and so when we leave most of the people are happy and Iraq n U.S. are friends. Thats what we want.

 

[TerminallYDead]

Nukes don't solve all problems.

So many people seem to think that "nuking" a place will have no consequences other than that place being gone.

If the combine really wanted to destroy a house, or rebel base, why even bother with a nuke? A large conventional bomb could do the job more efficiently, and one helluva lot cleaner.

But it does give the combine soldiers battlefield experience and tain them up if they are fighting as infatry, rather than just bombing places from afar.

Plus the combine are alien. By definition this means that they are different. So just because they need something destroyed does not mean they are going to use human (and incredibly over powered) weapons.

Maybe they are going for a natural selection approach to training troops. If a soldier dies, obviously he could not have been of much use to the combine in whatever war these troops are needed in.

Plus the radiation from a nuke would affect transhumans as much as regular humans I would guess. And it would also cause damage to the infrastructure the combine need. The train tracks, which we know the combine were using for transport, would be destroyed. Nova Prospekt would take a lot of damage.

If you have a small resistance operating along the coast, is it not better to eliminate it quietly, without letting rest of the citizens know that the combine are being opposed, giving them hope, and increasing dissent. If the strikes are small scale, the chance of the average citizen finding out is less.

However a mushroom cloud would kind of give it away that something was going on.

Plus, and most importantly: - It's a game. Unless Gordon can withstand nuclear blasts nuking the coast would be fundamentally boring. Games are fun. Therefore the coast would not be nuked for gameplay reasons.

 

[Beerdude26]

QFT, QFE, QFTUDSS.

The first one I know, but those others?

On-topic : They're rebels. They have friends. The Combine capture them, torture/'persuade' them to tell them where the rest of the resistance is. Simple!

 

[r2000]

Simple. A combine raid is much more frightening and personal. Having a squad of combine invade the house next to you, and then hear the screams of people being beat to death, is enough to scare you straight. On the other hand, a nuke or missile screaming in, while scary, is not mentally scarring.

 

[Count Zero]

Yes!!
...We in into Iraq to overthrow Saddam, to make it a democracy, and so when we leave most of the people are happy and Iraq n U.S. are friends. Thats what we want.

Who's "We" white man? Can we please leave these juvenile, shallow political analyses to other forums?

 

[r2000]

Nukes don't solve all problems.

So many people seem to think that "nuking" a place will have no consequences other than that place being gone.

If the combine really wanted to destroy a house, or rebel base, why even bother with a nuke? A large conventional bomb could do the job more efficiently, and one helluva lot cleaner.

But it does give the combine soldiers battlefield experience and tain them up if they are fighting as infatry, rather than just bombing places from afar.

Plus the combine are alien. By definition this means that they are different. So just because they need something destroyed does not mean they are going to use human (and incredibly over powered) weapons.

Maybe they are going for a natural selection approach to training troops. If a soldier dies, obviously he could not have been of much use to the combine in whatever war these troops are needed in.

Plus the radiation from a nuke would affect transhumans as much as regular humans I would guess. And it would also cause damage to the infrastructure the combine need. The train tracks, which we know the combine were using for transport, would be destroyed. Nova Prospekt would take a lot of damage.

If you have a small resistance operating along the coast, is it not better to eliminate it quietly, without letting rest of the citizens know that the combine are being opposed, giving them hope, and increasing dissent. If the strikes are small scale, the chance of the average citizen finding out is less.

However a mushroom cloud would kind of give it away that something was going on.

Plus, and most importantly: - It's a game. Unless Gordon can withstand nuclear blasts nuking the coast would be fundamentally boring. Games are fun. Therefore the coast would not be nuked for gameplay reasons.

Exaactly. Which brings me to another point. We will always have infantry, because its a personal way of war. Its far more intimidating to have 3 platoons of bloodthirsty infantry, brutally annihilating your forces, then it is to be hit with 2 nukes. For some reason, the facts are people aren't going to submit to nukes. There has to always be infantry. Which is why, when people see the rebel outpost get wiped out by a super elite combine on his own, they're more apt to surrender.