Saudi girl accepts lashing for assaulting headmistress

[unozero]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/24/saudi.arabia.lashes/index.html?hpt=T2

need I say something?

in before:"BUT LOOK AT THE JESUS FREAKS."

 

[Tagaziel]

Generally, the current state of affairs is ironic, considering that the Arabs were far more sophisticated and civilized than Europe during the crusades.

 

[xdrive]

Generally, the current state of affairs is ironic, considering that the Arabs were far more sophisticated and civilized than Europe during the crusades.

Bahahaha, where did you read that?

 

[ríomhaire]

The Middle East was the cradle of civilization. Our modern number system is the Arabic one. The Middle East had some of the greatest libraries in the world.

 

[Remus]

The Middle East was the cradle of civilization. Our modern number system is the Arabic one. The Middle East had some of the greatest libraries in the world.

Yes, it's sad really. I remember a documentary that tried to explain what happened, from what I remember at one point there was a shift in mentality, and scientific progress was no longer encouraged. Sounds similar to "the dark ages".

Last October, a court sentenced a man to five years in prison and 1,000 lashes after he bragged about his sex life on television.

Last March, a Saudi court sentenced a 75-year-old Syrian woman to 40 lashes, four months imprisonment and deportation from the kingdom for having two unrelated men in her house.

In 2007, a 19-year-old gang-rape victim in the Saudi city of Qatif was sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in prison for meeting with an unrelated male.

:|

 

[Stormy]

Sucks to be her.

 

[The Monkey]

Yes, it's sad really. I remember a documentary that tried to explain what happened, from what I remember at one point there was a shift in mentality, and scientific progress was no longer encouraged. Sounds similar to "the dark ages".

One theory I read is that the European kingdoms during the crusades were eager to learn from the Muslims, who were superior in many fields. However, the crusades caused a resentment among the Muslim population in the Near East against the Christians, so that they were hesitant to learn anything from them. In other words, the Christians learned from the Muslims, but not the other way around. And a couple of centuries later the Europeans had surpassed the Muslims in terms of technology and innovation.

 

[Krynn72]

We should respect their society and let them punish people as they see fit.

 

[Naph]

Bahahaha, where did you read that?

From the whole 'third crusade' affair. Lionheart used his prisoners of war to tear down their own homes and slaughtered them after wards. Saladin kindly let his prisoners go even after what the English did.

So much more to it than that, if I vaguely recall.

 

[No Limit]

Wow, women have no rights in Saudi Arabia? You don't say. I will ask you the same question I always ask at times like these, what is it that you want to do about this?

 

[Absinthe]

Wow, women have no rights in Saudi Arabia? You don't say. I will ask you the same question I always ask at times like these, what is it that you want to do about this?

What should we do when Stern supplies a topic about yet another Republican saying/doing something stupid? This question, oddly enough, rarely pops up in those cases.

I think this is deplorable. But I can't really advocate some kind of intervention if people in that part of the world don't even want to challenge this kind of dysfunction in their justice system, it seems.

 

[No Limit]

What should we do when Stern supplies a topic about yet another Republican saying/doing something stupid? This question, oddly enough, rarely pops up in those cases.

I think this is deplorable. But I can't really advocate some kind of intervention if people in that part of the world don't even want to challenge this kind of dysfunction in their justice system, it seems.

When a crazy republican does something there is something we can do as we live in a democracy and those people in theory can be voted out. And if they aren't voted out we can ridicule the people that voted or supported them.

That is not the case in Saudi Arabia, the people there have absolutely no control over their government nor do they have a right to speak out. So as much as something like this sucks there isn't much that can be done about it. But really my problem is not that people are posting this just to bitch, my problem is that this is posted in a way that suggests that it is strictly the fault of Islam when in reality it isn't, actually that has very little to do with it. And that's exactly what unozero tried to do with his usual idiotic 2 line commentary. The problem is that the people there are poor and in most cases hopeless. They look to their religion because they have nothing else to turn to. Unfortunately the government there is then able to shape that religion howevery they want as they control all means of education. That's why I think the question I ask is important. How exactly do you prevent these corrupt governments from using religion as a means of controlling their people? Because once you ask that question and think about it it's hard just to say "Islam sucks" and leave it at that; it's a little bit deeper than that.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Saudia Arabia in acute oppression shocker.

Xdrive in not knowing a damn thing about history shocker.

Sulkdodds in responding with fake news headlines shocker.

 

[CptStern]

saying something stupid has potentially millions of possibilities. saudi arabia lashing a woman for stupid reasons is pretty mcuh the same evertytime with few differences. doesnt mean it's not newsworthy it's just that "saudi arabia treating people badly YOU DONT SAY! nature of the story ..a comparable republican issue might be something like "republicans defend gun rights" or "anti-gay republican senator caught with underage male prositute"

YOU DONT SAY!!!!

 

[Tyguy]

We should collectively figure out how many lashes hl2.net would receive for the various crimes committed by it's members. I know for a fact that unozero raped a grandmother so there's at least 10,000...

 

[No Limit]

We should collectively figure out how many lashes hl2.net would receive for the various crimes committed by it's members. I know for a fact that unozero raped a grandmother so there's at least 10,000...

Actually I'm pretty sure raping your grandmother is legal in Saudi Arabia.

 

[CptStern]

hell on stupid statements alone many of our members would be whipped to death

 

[Acepilotf14]

Good.
The girl knows her place.

 

[jverne]

Wow, women have no rights in Saudi Arabia? You don't say. I will ask you the same question I always ask at times like these, what is it that you want to do about this?

If you'd really wanted to be picky about it, you could boycott everything Saudi in protest. Not buying their oil could be one thing.

But then again i'm just teasing you, because we all know that's not that easy to do.

I'm probably mistaken, but are you suggesting that criticizing them is useless or shouldn't be done? (by them i mean those who do commit these horrible things)

 

[No Limit]

If you'd really wanted to be picky about it, you could boycott everything Saudi in protest. Not buying their oil could be one thing.

But then again i'm just teasing you, because we all know that's not that easy to do.

In the grand scheme of things Saudi Arabia really doesn't provide is with that much oil:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ons/company_level_imports/current/import.html

And I don't see how screwing up their economy would make things better. Would their leaders suddenly say "hey, maybe we shouldn't oppress these people anymore?". I doubt it.

I'm probably mistaken, but are you suggesting that criticizing them is useless or shouldn't be done? (by them i mean those who do commit these horrible things.

I already explained this a couple posts down, try to keep up .

 

[jverne]

In the grand scheme of things Saudi Arabia really doesn't provide is with that much oil:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ons/company_level_imports/current/import.html

And I don't see how screwing up their economy would make things better. Would their leaders suddenly say "hey, maybe we shouldn't oppress these people anymore?". I doubt it.

The top five sources of US crude oil imports for October were Canada (1.858 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.015 million barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (0.938 million barrels per day)

I wouldn't exactly call the third major source of oil as small.

Well if you think of it, most oil money go to the elite and thus keeping them in power. If they were poorer much more on the level like ordinary citizens i believe things would be different. People would have a chance to revolt (if they wanted to of course).
Before the invasion some afgani people fought against the taliban, how long do you think they could resist if the taliban would be even more well financed and could buy lot's of weaponry and personell.

Sure maybe ruining their economy might lead to even more misery, Iraq might be a good example, but who's to say Saddam didn't loose power because of the sanctions. I remember interviews with many Iraqi soldiers complaining that they didn't get any pay for months, many deserted,... Maybe it was just
a matter of time before they'd overthrew Saddam.
It just might be that a wealthy elite does have more power and they might keep the living standard just high enough to not cause civil unrest.

I won't take any sides yet, but i'd love to hear your counter arguments.



Just a side question, where the **** does Canada invest all that money form the oil they get? Goes to private companies? That's a helluva lot of money.

 

[No Limit]

It's by no means small, but we don't rely on them for our oil by any means. In the grand picture they make up about 10% of our total oil imports.

And if you boycott their oil do you think their people will blame their government for that boycott or will they blame you? remember, their government can control what you do and don't hear.

I won't take any sides yet, but i'd love to hear your counter arguments.

I don't know why this really pisses me off but it does. Wanting to hear other people's opinions before you make up your own mind seems very honorable, the problem I think is that in reality you say that just to cover your ass in case you happen to be wrong. being wrong is fine if you aren't an obnoxious jackass in the process; pretending you never have a position on anything is just plain annoying.

 

[jverne]

It's by no means small, but we don't rely on them for our oil by any means. In the grand picture they make up about 10% of our total oil imports.

And if you boycott their oil do you think their people will blame their government for that boycott or will they blame you? remember, their government can control what you do and don't hear.

People are stupid but i don't think they are that stupid not to realize that their government is part of the problem. I'm sure there is opposition even in Saudi Arabia but they are far too overpowered by the leading elite.

I don't know why this really pisses me off but it does. Wanting to hear other people's opinions before you make up your own mind seems very honorable, the problem I think is that in reality you say that just to cover your ass in case you happen to be wrong. being wrong is fine if you aren't an obnoxious jackass in the process; pretending you never have a position on anything is just plain annoying.

I know it's hard for you to understand. On some issues i have firm positions but on this one for instance i thought it up while writing it. Basically i thought about it for probably a minute or less. Obviously without vast knowledge i can't make any final decisions.
I might have at best some preconceived directions. But again, you'll probably never believe i'm being sincere.
If there's one thing the politics section thought me...is to be prudent with what you say. And again, i often counter arguments just so i can better understand both sides or to strengthen one side.

 

[Shyam]

Sucks to be her. Although no surprises, Saudi Arabia is well known for their violation of women's rights. We can criticize them all we want, but change has to come within that country. The interesting question is, will the U.S. allow that to happen ?

Bahahaha, where did you read that?

Do you have a compulsion, to make retarded posts ?

People are stupid but i don't think they are that stupid not to realize that their government is part of the problem. I'm sure there is opposition even in Saudi Arabia but they are far to overpowered by the leading elite.

Believe it or not, Jverne, it is in U.S. government's interests that they support the Saudi royal family as they are one of the last remaining U.S. allies against Al Qaeda and Islamic extremists.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Wow, women have no rights in Saudi Arabia? You don't say. I will ask you the same question I always ask at times like these, what is it that you want to do about this?

H-bomb

 

[jverne]

Believe it or not, Jverne, it is in U.S. government's interests that they support the Saudi royal family as they are one of the last remaining U.S. allies against Al Qaeda and Islamic extremists.

Hehe, funny how the world works eh?

I think what matters is on which side are you?


Some people are such hypocrites by preaching righteousness and at the same time enjoy the fruits which were made on the broken backs of exploited people.
I think a middle way between selfishness and altruism is a good compromise.

 

[Tagaziel]

One theory I read is that the European kingdoms during the crusades were eager to learn from the Muslims, who were superior in many fields. However, the crusades caused a resentment among the Muslim population in the Near East against the Christians, so that they were hesitant to learn anything from them. In other words, the Christians learned from the Muslims, but not the other way around. And a couple of centuries later the Europeans had surpassed the Muslims in terms of technology and innovation.

We, Europeans, seem to have the tendency to invent problems for ourselves engraved into our collective genomes.

 

[Krynn72]

I think a middle way between selfishness and altruism is a good compromise.

Really? You think that going halfsies between two things is a good compromise? NO SHIT

 

[jverne]

Really? You think that going halfsies between two things is a good compromise? NO SHIT

 

[Tyguy]

i like how they phrase the story like she had the choice to decline the lashing

 

[Adabiviak]

At first, I was like, "oh noes"
Then I read the subject and was like, "Rule 34!"