Savage Discussion

[Quixoticism]

I recently downloaded the Savage demo and it's a pretty awesome game. This Real Time Strategy\First Person Shooter is like a dream come true that I never dreamed of. I'll tell you all just a little bit about this one of a kind game.

The enviroments are huge. The details on the maps are awe inspiring, not quite Half-Life2 but still great. The shadows cast from the clouds are way cool too. There is a dynamic sky(I think that's the term) and the place goes from day to night so seamlessly you hardly notice it.

The Commander is the guy who does the base building and stuff. He commands the workers and gives suggestions(more later) to the "Army". It's the Commander's responsiblilty to make sure technology and weapons gets researched and defenses upgraded.

The "Army" consists of other people in the game. Each person controls one guy. These people are completely free to do whatever thay want to. They can harvest resources for the Commander to use to build and upgrade with, or they go earn a living for them selves by killing creeps. You use the money that you get for yourself to upgrade your character and weapons.(kind of like an RPG) While the Commander issues orders and blaces buildings, it's up to the Army to follow through with those orders.

This game is totaly awesome and can be a great way to pass the time until Half-Life 2 comes out. Go download the demo, try it out, and tell the good Half-Life community what you think.
:afro: :cheers:

 

[Gunner]

I will download the demo right away! You know you could write reviews for HL2.net's game mag with the staff! You convinced me in a blink of an eye. Thanks MF : )

Edit: http://www.gamepro.com/downloads/file_middle.cfm?file_id=4847

200KB/sec

 

[Gunner]

I just played the demo and I must say I haven't played such an addictive game for a long time! I'm off to the shops to buy this one, it's definitely worth it!

 

[ray_MAN]

How big is the file?

 

[Gunner]

140MB : )

 

[dawdler]

I love it. Absolutely love it. I'm even jumping ship on my mod (its on hold until HL2 is released, not cancelled but no work is in progress) to check into Savage, the SDK is supposed to come out soon!

But the biggest thing, and by far the most impressive, is the community! Developers are on the forum VERY regulary! VEEEEEEERY!! I'm talking answering in every other thread. Its the best developer relations I have EVER seen.

Also, they have promised to deliver new contents every month (30-45 days was the exact words), just like a MMORPG, but without the disgusting monthly fee! This month there is apparently some 2 new units, 2 new buildings and 3 techs for each building coming (the units being medics, no idea what the buildings or techs are)

The sad part is that I still havent bought it, money aint on paypal yet
(have to buy it on the net, aint coming out in Europe unitil some 3-4 months, another thing the developers replied in a thread recently))

http://www.s2games.com/savage/index.html

 

[simmo]

its an amazin online game and no monthly fee ?!?! waaaaaa!!!!

 

[dawdler]

Originally posted by simmo
its an amazin online game and no monthly fee ?!?! waaaaaa!!!!

Amazing it is. And so simple! It reminds me of RTCW: ET... Except its simpler.

I'm just stunned by the simplicity in it. The entire game is like 300mb or something to download when you buy it. Not many games are that now a days
Yet its pretty enough to be pretty. It could have been prettier though, its using an *urk* OpenGL engine *urk*
The renderer is pretty neat though, I havent quite figured it out (either I'm hallucinating or there is some sort of fog filter, it causes a very smooth screen. Maybe I'm hallucinating )

 

[dawdler]

Btw, I took an image earlier, its attached. It was meant to show the neat sketch smartshader, but I forgot its post process, the screenshots just came out normal

 

[dis]

I guess I'm gonna give it a try. Sounds interesting.

 

[nw909]

Is the demo for online play?

 

[dawdler]

Originally posted by nw909
Is the demo for online play?

Yep, the entire game is for only online play. Think of it as Warcraft 3 online. Except you only got humans (as I said, full game got beasts), and these humans have some neat kvasifuturistic technology. The difference is that here you can choose whether you want to be the RTS commander or FPS footsoldier. Just a hint: there is no manual with the game, it can be tricky to get into
But its very simple as I said. To attack melee, hit mouse1. To block, hit mouse2. Use number keys to toggles melee/ranged/items (1-5 I think). You can only carry one ranged weapon, controlls are just like any fps. To build in FPS, you hit a building with melee attack (every interaction is by hitting it with melee attack, enemies, stonemines, buildings). To build in RTS, its just like W3, select from the side menu after selecting a soldier.
Etc etc... A hint is to bash NPCs for gold (bags fall out, like little piggie banks, the same happens with enemies but NPCs are easier to kill), you need it to buy equipment (though you can request the commander to buy it for you too).

 

[Letters]

Savage is ONLY online... so I assume yes...

I'm downloading it now... thanks for the link, )[eVo]( Para...

 

[Hudson]

Sounds pretty cool.

 

[ray_MAN]

How are the physics? Thanks evo for the link.

 

[The DemonWithin]

No monthly fee eh? if this game is good, then that would be very nice for a change. downloadin demo.

 

[ray_MAN]

This is the greatest game i have played in a long time. I am buying it today!

 

[Gunner]

I just spent 5 hours straight playing! Incredible! : ) All HAIL Commander Mopster! Hail to the King baby!

But it sucks that the game isn't available in France, I've searched everywhere... nada zip zilch nothing : /

Edit: By the way my name ingame is L0rd Yuris : )

 

[ray_MAN]

Mine of course is ray_MAN. Evo if you want it, order it over amazon.com in the US and put your address and they ship it to France.

 

[pat_thetic]

Problem with this game is that if your commander and you lose the usual statement is "y0ur t3h suk!!!!!!" or "0Mg w0r5t c0mmand3r 3v3r!!!"

 

[Gunner]

Thanks for the tip Ray but I want it right away I can't control myself! I just found out that it's possible to buy it directly from Igames

http://orders.igames.com/savage/

Paypal or credit cards

They email you a cdkey and give you access to their download section. I'm gonna give this a try : )

 

[pat_thetic]

By the way para, I'm on the evo team as well

 

[Gunner]

Really? Have you played any games with the clan yet?

I was originally recruited for HL2 in August and for obvious reasons I haven't played a single game. I asked to be moved in the Call of Duty division, I'm planning on buying it as soon as it comes out here : )

On a side note: 18% on Savage, in less than an hour I'll be smashing and mauling the reptilian beasts in battle-scarred swamps hurray for paypal!

 

[Quixoticism]

Thanks )[eVo]( Para, but I think game reviews are done by the Mods only, though I would like to be one.(winks at dawdler)

I was up till 4 in the morning playing. I really wish that I could buy this game but I don't have the money right now.

Lets all post our names that we use to play with so we can team up. Mine is Blood-Omen

 

[BreakPoint]

since i am part of eVo too i think i will go wih CoD also. I plsyed the game, it was ok, ill try again this timme.

 

[BreakPoint]

also where have u been Para, gone for along while.

 

[Quixoticism]

oops I tried to post a screen shot but it was too big

 

[Quixoticism]

Ok. Here is just about the same screen in a smaller resolution. 800x640 4FSAA 8AF

 

[Aethaecyn]

Ok I can understand your excitement. Except the game has pissed me off. I have the worst frigging luck in the world. I got the demo, and have played NINETEEN GAMES AND MY TEAM LOST EVERY ONE! I HAVE YET TO WIN! THIS GAME MAKES ME WANT TO KILL MYSELF PAINFULLY!

 

[Quixoticism]

That really does suck. Most of the games I play I end up losing also so I know how you feel. You might want to join a game with only about 12 players. Those are usually pretty easy to win in.

 

[dawdler]

Originally posted by Aethaecyn
Ok I can understand your excitement. Except the game has pissed me off. I have the worst frigging luck in the world. I got the demo, and have played NINETEEN GAMES AND MY TEAM LOST EVERY ONE! I HAVE YET TO WIN! THIS GAME MAKES ME WANT TO KILL MYSELF PAINFULLY!

Nineteen and lost everyone? Oh man... I've played like 15 and won 13 of those
And I usually get the "Sadist" award
I still dont have the game though, damn paypal and 4 buisness days

Though the charm with the game is actually playing on the loosing side, that gives the most challenge. The demo maps are FAR to easy to just overrun on. On eden, you only have to get to the center first, fortify it and keep swarming the enemy one and one. Then you won* the game. On crossroads, its similar, get to the center first, fortify it and you have won the game (its slightly different, get to the spawnflag by the enemy instead, build a garrison, sure win).

*Not necceserily, I've been on the loosing side, and we launched a massive counterattack against the middle, took down 4 towers with my ballista alone

I'm told the full game maps are different, but the game design wont be, you can still just run off. This is what I want to change in a mod, army coherence. You NEVER attack the enemy with one peasant in Warcraft3, if it where translated to Savage, you would see a row of 10 peasants heading to the enemy base, with nice distance between (stops to fight some NPCs) across the entire map. To little enforcing in Savage, my group morale system using the officer promotion would work wonders, and create huge battles instead of small skirmishes (officers already got that partly, but not nearly enough).
That along with stuff like making towers much stronger, ballista/catapults weaker (I cant compare with beasts, as I dont know them), limiting garrisons available would create further need for small armies if you want to go somewhere... Maybe making it harder to build the further you are from your stronghold, so you also need more men at the frontline. Stuff like that. And especially just removing XP/Gold gained from NPCs. It doesnt exactly encourage fighting the enemy.

I dont dislike Savage, I love it, but I cant keep my sticky hands off it.

 

[Quixoticism]

I should borrow some money off of my friend so I can buy this. It is sooo addicting.

Playing on the losing side is more fun because it's more difficult, it help to win once in a while though.

Large scale battles would be very nice indeed, but it is fun to go rogue once in a while.
I don't see too much of a need to make the towers more powerful, if you make the seige units do a lot less damage, but the mortars and launchers should be more powerful.

What is the name of your mod going to be dawdler, it sounds pretty interesting. How long have you been playing Savage, and what name do you play by

Starcraft is way better than Warcraft III

 

[dawdler]

Originally posted by MF-BoltressHL2
Large scale battles would be very nice indeed, but it is fun to go rogue once in a while.
I don't see too much of a need to make the towers more powerful, if you make the seige units do a lot less damage, but the mortars and launchers should be more powerful.

What is the name of your mod going to be dawdler, it sounds pretty interesting. How long have you been playing Savage, and what name do you play by

Starcraft is way better than Warcraft III

Going rouge would of course be possible, you would just be at a great disadvantage, and not really a good fighter. Armies need scouts

Concerning the towers, making them powerfull is a way to make the ballista/catapult/siegebeasts NEEDED to take them down. Right now you can take them down easily with 4 men and level 2 rifles. This is another reason for the "swarming" tactic, the towers should be a wall until you get an army big and powerfull enough to breach it. This in turn brings the need for the limited garrisons (towers can only be built within a certain range of stronghold/garrison). You will only be able to cover key areas of the map, but that cover should be nearly indestructable. Until siege units come up
The entire mod thingie revolves around forcing the need for massed assaults and trying to limit streaming fights (where they just spawn, run to the enemy... spawn, run to the enemy... and so on...). Just a set of demands, and figuring out what to do to acheive those demands.
The mod isnt really planned yet, its just a theory (I thought I'd start writing it down today, formulate it as a design). No name... Havent found any good.
And currently I play by the name Hugbear, but I will alter that to Dawdler

I have only played Savage since like wednesday or thursday or whenever I saw the demo was released (though I noticed it way earlier, waited for a demo or it to come out in stores)

And I find W3 better than Starcraft... W3 was more fun to play for me, I like fantasy. Though Starcraft was very good too.

 

[Gunner]

The Beasts shall rise again!

But there's a flaw in the full game: the beasts need a bit of nerfing. I mean average players on B versus good players on H makes for a an extremely long battle.

And I got to try the Behemoth last night : ) extremely sluggish but very powerful against buildings, it needs an escort because it can't hold its' ground against infantry.

http://duckhunt3r.**********/sitebuildercontent/savage00.txt

 

[dawdler]

Originally posted by )[eVo]( Para
The Beasts shall rise again!

But there's a flaw in the full game: the beasts need a bit of nerfing. I mean average players on B versus good players on H makes for a an extremely long battle.

And I got to try the Behemoth last night : ) extremely sluggish but very powerful against buildings, it needs an escort because it can't hold its' ground against infantry.

http://duckhunt3r.**********/sitebuildercontent/savage00.txt

Define nerfing? As far as I have heard, humans more than makes up for it with their long range weapons.
I had to try to get just before a weekend... Argh... Maybe tuesday I can buy the game