Should Bush resign ?

[baxter]

T Roosevelt - 1918
"Our loyalty is due entirely to the United States. It is due to the President only and exactly to the degree in which he efficiently serves the United States. It is our duty to support him when he serves the United States well. It is our duty to oppose him when he serves it badly."

The reason behind the question does not need explanation.
A simple yes or no.

 

[French Ninja]

A poll would have been better.
Meh.
Yes.
Edit:There we go.

 

[bryanf445]

why? sure I dont like him, but why

 

[Tr0n]

Hell yes.

 

[Murray]

Whoa, someone actually vote no, who would that be *coughsinfeldrulescough*!

 

[Raeven0]

He should resign and give the nation to me instead.

Or a box of Tic-Tacs. Whichever is more available.

 

[satch919]

I think a brick would do better in office than Bush. :|

The guy's a complete idiot. I think he should resign.

 

[Icarusintel]

he's made mistakes, everyone does, doesn't mean he should resign, besides, he's not going to, so this poll is kinda pointless - oh, except for the fact that it gives an outlet for all the bush-haters here

 

[Tr0n]

Well he sucks as a president...it's that simple.

 

[Icarusintel]

Well he sucks as a president...it's that simple.

having studied all the presidents before in some detail he's certainly not the worst

 

[baxter]

having studied all the presidents before in some detail he's certainly not the worst

At this moment in time he is.

 

[satch919]

having studied all the presidents before in some detail he's certainly not the worst

Nor is he even close to being the best. Hell, he's not even near being mediocre.

 

[Tr0n]

having studied all the presidents before in some detail he's certainly not the worst

It's not the fact that he isn't the worst...it's the fact he's one of the worst. In this time of age we deserve the most out of a president. The mistakes he made are few, but they are/were really bad ones.

There's a difference between a bunch of mistakes and a few really really really bad mistakes.

 

[Absinthe]

Yes.

Is he the worst? No, but I believe he's one of the worst.

And although the list of his mistakes may not be a mile high, the seriousness of them is grounds enough for his resignation.

 

[gh0st]

no, he shouldnt. too bad ~20/23 of those YES votes are just eurotrash whose opinions dont matter here anyway.

 

[Absinthe]

besides, he's not going to, so this poll is kinda pointless

I don't think anybody has the intention of changing the world through a poll on HL2.net, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss/vent/argue/bitch or whatever regarding politics.

 

[DeusExMachina]

no, he shouldnt. too bad ~20/23 of those YES votes are just eurotrash whose opinions dont matter here anyway.

I thought you didn't like Bush.

 

[baxter]

no, he shouldnt. too bad ~20/23 of those YES votes are just eurotrash whose opinions dont matter here anyway.

So an impartial international opinion means nothing?

 

[CptStern]

he should resign, but not before the Senate investigation

 

[No Limit]

no, he shouldnt. too bad ~20/23 of those YES votes are just eurotrash whose opinions dont matter here anyway.

Another very insightful opinion from our friend ghost :dozey:

Where were you to defend him in the last few of my threads?

Edit:

with a approval rating in the 30s, about the same of Nixon during watergate, there is certainly a lot of justification for saying he should resign.

 

[mortiz]

no, he shouldnt. too bad ~20/23 of those YES votes are just eurotrash whose opinions dont matter here anyway.

Or some stupid republicans who still think Saddam Hussein had a hand in 9/11 and was threatening the U.S. with nuclear weapons.

Basically people who eat all of the shit Bush shovels. My opinion might not count for much and the end of the day, but it's worrying to think that people so miss-informed about the world outside of the U.S. have an opinion that might count.

The fact that people who live in the middle of nowhere in the U.S. were more frightned by Bush and his fear mongering tactics relating to terrorism than those who actually live in high risk areas tells its own story.

 

[baxter]

It is our duty to oppose him when he serves it badly

He’s doing ok then Ghost, leading us all to a better and safer place, any chance of quoting an example?

 

[SAJ]

This eurotrash was just wondering: if you all dont think Bush(jr) is the worst president, then who the hell is it?

 

[DeusExMachina]

Well Bush is definetly a bad president, but the worst? Probably Grant. I mean, what exactly did he ever do...did he do anything during his presidency besides drink a lot?

 

[Raeven0]

The eurotrash have always struck me as being superior to the ameritrash. In every way.

--One Cynical (Anti-)American

 

[Icarusintel]

The eurotrash have always struck me as being superior to the ameritrash. In every way.

--One Cynical (Anti-)American

that's funny, the people who always struck me as superior were the great artisans and thinkers

 

[MjM]

Yea, he's a dirty anti-world, liarrrrrrrrrr and warmonger

I say we let him loose in downtown New Orleans.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

No. He has basically presided over an end to an era and a beginning of a new one. Many conservatives would like to put him on a level like Reagan, but in the end I don't really think he's THAT great. However, he's not a failure or doing a "bad" job either Some areas of work are bad as always with any president, but overall it's not a bad job leading or actually administrating. When a president fails to actually be able to administrate or commits a crime/dishonor to the office, that's when they should resign.

On level of approval, Bush has been "alright" to "good" but not super excellent or such, overall. You don't have people resign just because you disagree with their elected platform. I wouldn't have even had Carter resign, as even with overall poor presidency and ultra liberalness he was still able to administrate and comitted no dishonor/disgrace to the office.

Nixon for example, his resignation was justified. And his policies and administration were top notch in my view. He disgraced the presidency and left a horrible taste in American's mouths for many years afterwords, and that's the issue.

Once again- no. Don't based on ideology or whether you wanted them to win the election, vote on actual resignation criteria.

 

[gh0st]

i dont particularly like bush, but thats beside the point. i like him a hell of a lot better than the people griping about his presidency.

sorry no limit i will make sure to be in the politics forum more often for you :upstare:

 

[Tr0n]

I still think Clark would've been a better president than both Kerry and Bush.

Oh well...you win some and lose some.

 

[CptStern]

No. He has basically presided over an end to an era and a beginning of a new one. Many conservatives would like to put him on a level like Reagan, but in the end I don't really think he's THAT great. However, he's not a failure or doing a "bad" job either Some areas of work are bad as always with any president, but overall it's not a bad job leading or actually administrating. When a president fails to actually be able to administrate or commits a crime/dishonor to the office, that's when they should resign.

On level of approval, Bush has been "alright" to "good" but not super excellent or such, overall. You don't have people resign just because you disagree with their elected platform. I wouldn't have even had Carter resign, as even with overall poor presidency and ultra liberalness he was still able to administrate and comitted no dishonor/disgrace to the office.

Nixon for example, his resignation was justified. And his policies and administration were top notch in my view. He disgraced the presidency and left a horrible taste in American's mouths for many years afterwords, and that's the issue.

Once again- no. Don't based on ideology or whether you wanted them to win the election, vote on actual resignation criteria.

I dont think anyone here bases their opinion on whether they wanted Bush to win or not ..and there's plenty of criteria to call for his resignation

 

[MjM]

who are you "quoting"

Lets base it on actions:

War in Iraq based on lies.
Floundering in Iraq, no occupation planning
Relegating Afghanistan to foreign policy distant memory
Presiding during economic awkwardness
Pissed of european allies
Appointing the bush fanclub to offices of government
Guided by god ...
Threat to the environment, opposed to science

 

[Tr0n]

Don't forget about not catching Osama.

 

[MjM]

Dodgy administration officials

I'm pretty sure history will show Bush up as the fool he is

 

[Icarusintel]

who are you "quoting"

Lets base it on actions:

1. War in Iraq based on lies.
2. Floundering in Iraq, no occupation planning
3. Relegating Afghanistan to foreign policy distant memory
4. Presiding during economic awkwardness
5. Pissed of european allies
6. Appointing the bush fanclub to offices of government
7. Guided by god ...
8. Threat to the environment, opposed to science

1. Even though it may be based on lies, there's no evidence I've seen that says Bush KNEW that they were lies
2. This was poor planning that should have been thought through, but there is also the fact that an insurgency on this scale wasn't expected
3. True, Afghanistan still needs to be taken care of, but it's very doubtful Osama is still there, so that shouldn't be much of a concern, I agree that there should be more focus on finding him
4. Is this serious?
5. I could care less, the only ally the US really NEEDS to have is China
6. Wow, that's never been done before. A lot of presidents appoint people close to them to office, it's his choice.
7. Unless you can find where he has specifically done actions based on his relationship with God this isn;t even a problem, religion is still pretty important in America
8. Scientific advancement still goes on, and he's not so much a threat to the environment as a nuisance, clear-cutting in the Amazon is a threat

 

[CptStern]

1. Even though it may be based on lies, there's no evidence I've seen that says Bush KNEW that they were lies
2. This was poor planning that should have been thought through, but there is also the fact that an insurgency on this scale wasn't expected
3. True, Afghanistan still needs to be taken care of, but it's very doubtful Osama is still there, so that shouldn't be much of a concern, I agree that there should be more focus on finding him
4. Is this serious?
5. I could care less, the only ally the US really NEEDS to have is China
6. Wow, that's never been done before. A lot of presidents appoint people close to them to office, it's his choice.
7. Unless you can find where he has specifically done actions based on his relationship with God this isn;t even a problem, religion is still pretty important in America
8. Scientific advancement still goes on, and he's not so much a threat to the environment as a nuisance, clear-cutting in the Amazon is a threat

I'll answer some of the more interesting points:


1. yes there is, there's plenty of evidence ...237 different instances where he knowingly lied

7. yes there is:


"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East..."

more:

Bush says God chose him to lead his nation


8. I disagree wholeheartedly


here's everything he did in (good and bad ..bad outweighs good):

2005

2004

2003

2002

2001


here's how he used bad science justify weakening enviromental regulations

 

[Icarusintel]

I'll answer some of the more interesting points:


1. yes there is, there's plenty of evidence ...237 different instances where he knowingly lied

7. yes there is:


"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East..."

more:

Bush says God chose him to lead his nation


8. I disagree wholeheartedly


here's everything he did in (good and bad ..bad outweighs good):

2005

2004

2003

2002

2001


here's how he used bad science justify weakening enviromental regulations

1. You bring this up every time, and no I still haven't looked through the whole thing, but if you had at least one easy example of where Bush lied to the public about Iraq, not just told them information that he had been told that would make it a helluva lot easier for me
7. Well, I don;t care if God did tell him to go after Osama, it's the right thing to do. On Iraq, I don;t see that being the only reason, but it's still troublesome if it is one. He's a very religious man, I wouldn;t doubt that he believes God chose him, that part doesn;t worry me.
8. I don;t remember him running on an environmentalist platform, besides, even if he did that's not why I voted for him, I personall;y think the environment just has to last as long as I do

 

[DreadLord]

the environment just has to last as long as I do

hahaha, I love it.

 

[CptStern]

1. You bring this up every time, and no I still haven't looked through the whole thing, but if you had at least one easy example of where Bush lied to the public about Iraq, not just told them information that he had been told that would make it a helluva lot easier for me
7. Well, I don;t care if God did tell him to go after Osama, it's the right thing to do. On Iraq, I don;t see that being the only reason, but it's still troublesome if it is one. He's a very religious man, I wouldn;t doubt that he believes God chose him, that part doesn;t worry me.
8. I don;t remember him running on an environmentalist platform, besides, even if he did that's not why I voted for him, I personall;y think the environment just has to last as long as I do

1. one example:


"We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents."

Source: President Talks to Troops in Qatar, White House (6/5/2003).

Explanation: This statement was misleading because it claimed the purpose of the trailers was to produce biological weapons without disclosing that engineers from the Defense Intelligence Agency who examined the trailers concluded that they were most likely used to produce hydrogen for artillery weather balloons.


7. you're flip flopping

8. I'm glad to see you're so forward thinking ..I'm sure my infant son and his son would be glad to hear that ...hopefully you wont have children because you just might regret saying that

 

[baxter]

Of all the lies he has told for some reason this seems to stick in my mind, maybe because it's so blatant, or maybe because it's so stupid.

LIE
At the Dec. 4, 2001, town-hall meeting in Orlando, Mr. Bush said, "I was sitting outside the classroom, waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly myself, and I said, 'Well, there's one terrible pilot.' "

TRUTH
Actually, no scenes of the first plane hitting the Trade Center were broadcast on television until late that night, when amateur video footage became available. The TV in the room where Mr. Bush waited wasn't even plugged in.

Once you tell a little lie...well, you just have to keep on telling them.