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Should we be so terrorized by Al Queda that we should completely ignore the fact that the president is going beyond the constitution and our laws so that he has the power to fight terrorists (so he says). Or should we show Al Queda that we are not scared and that we will not change our values because of a single attack on our country? I refuse to be terrorized by these terrorists so I want accountibility in my government, who's with me?
 
I concur. Also, you've not been around.
 
Looking at this thread from the forum index shortens the name to "Should we start stripping..."

I say yes, we should start stripping.

-Angry Lawyer
 
If I was American, I would refuse to be terrorized and would cooperate with the goverment to do justice to the terrorists.


Not many people here seems to think that though. :/
 
15357 said:
If I was American, I would refuse to be terrorized and would cooperate with the goverment to do justice to the terrorists.


Not many people here seems to think that though. :/
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Nicely put. And I agree.
 
i completely support the govermment doing what it needs to do to stop terrorism unlike the media who find the need to reveal programs which are being used to do so thus removing the effectiveness of the programs i.e domestic spying and how we were tracking terrorist money
 
delusional said:
i completely support the govermment doing what it needs to do to stop terrorism unlike the media who find the need to reveal programs which are being used to do so thus removing the effectiveness of the programs i.e domestic spying and how we were tracking terrorist money
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Your name is so apt.
 
15357 said:
If I was American, I would refuse to be terrorized and would cooperate with the goverment to do justice to the terrorists.


Not many people here seems to think that though. :/
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Nemesis6 said:
Nicely put. And I agree.
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Says the rabid totalitarianist and the guy with the Stalin quote in his signature.
 
delusional said:
i completely support the govermment doing what it needs to do to stop terrorism unlike the media who find the need to reveal programs which are being used to do so thus removing the effectiveness of the programs i.e domestic spying and how we were tracking terrorist money
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ARE YOU STEPHEN COLBERT :D?!


Nothing's real. They only want to keep us asleep. Join the Invisibles! Bring the fight to them!
 
I'd like to see delusional debate here. :p
 
Yes, not necessarily. But it's the truth.
 
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
-Benjamin Franklin
 
It was a US president that said:

The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
-Benjamin Franklin
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Franklin was president?

Damn. I memorized it wrong.

Anyway, in order to achieve more freedoms, you may have to 'invest' your freedoms in security. Just like capitalism.
 
i ensure you that im sane and i believe nothing is real referring to copenhagen interpretation and i also have no idea who steven colbert is
 
15357 said:
Franklin was president?

Damn. I memorized it wrong.

Anyway, in order to achieve more freedoms, you may have to 'invest' your freedoms in security. Just like capitalism.
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Give me liberty or give me death
 
delusional said:
i completely support the govermment doing what it needs to do to stop terrorism unlike the media who find the need to reveal programs which are being used to do so thus removing the effectiveness of the programs i.e domestic spying and how we were tracking terrorist money
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They had the ability to do everything they've been doing since 1972 when FISA was established. Only extra step they had to do was inform a court within 15 days after their actions. Why do you have a problem with this?

And I don't know if I support the HL2 community stripping, I don't imagine most of you as very good looking :).
 
15357 said:
Give me security so that I can actually enjoy my freedoms.
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You mean whatever freedoms you have left? Of course I believe there is no such thing as true freedom due to we are bound by something.
 
Franklin wasn't a president...

BUT HE SHOULD'VE BEEN.
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Then he 'd have made more autobiographies of himself in which I'd have to memorize in english class. D:


Richard Saunders.

You mean whatever freedoms you have left? Of course I believe there is no such thing as true freedom due to we are bound by something.
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Well, I suppose so.
 
15357 said:
Give me security so that I can actually enjoy my freedoms.
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So you call security keeping a database of potential terrorist suspects when you don't know what defines a terrorist suspect, who is in the database, what happens to the people in the database, who has access to that database. So you support our government kidnapping citizens of other countries and simply making them disappear without informing their government of our actions, without letting anyone know we have those people, without bringing any charges agasint these people and not disclosing what evidance you have against those people. Shit, it looks to me like Al Queda has already won.
 
It looks up when it's raining and then drowns. They're retards! D:
 
15357 said:
If I was American, I would refuse to be terrorized and would cooperate with the goverment to do justice to the terrorists.

Not many people here seems to think that though. :/
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Ennui said:
Says the rabid totalitarianist and the guy with the Stalin quote in his signature.
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Numbers is part right, though. I mean, you can still disagree with domestic spying (I am) and vote against the government, but there's still such a thing as looking after your fellow man. Ask yourself, would you report to the government someone who was planning to plant a bomb on a tube?

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Numbers is part right, though. I mean, you can still disagree with domestic spying (I am) and vote against the government, but there's still such a thing as looking after your fellow man. Ask yourself, would you report to the government someone who was planning to plant a bomb on a tube?

-Angry Lawyer
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but that's an attack on the citizens not the government ..had you said say a military base or whathaveyou I'm sure the answer wouldnt be so clear cut (understand that unless there's provocation or just cause only a very very small segment of the populace (anarchists, criminals) would support acts of domestic terrorism ..for it to be valid it must be in the mainstream consciousness .. example: US revolution)
 
Even if someone was planning to bomb the local garrison here in Crawley, I'd still report it. There are people inside it, people who I wouldn't want to see dead.

-Angry Lawyer
 
ya but if your government was tyrannical, if your government rounded up people to be murdered/tortured etc ..it would blur the ethical line
 
Seeing as how neither of our governments are tyrannical, I think it'd be safe to say we'd report bombings on military bases and installations.
 
but that's not the point ..of course any sane person would, I've already quantified that
 
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