So what happened to Rove?

[Korgoth]

After all the recent events, it seems that the Rove story has dissapeared of the news radar, which happens all to often for the BA, so whats the deal, has anyone heard any updates on this story?

 

[Tr0n]

The goverment controls the big media channels...so they stopped broadcasting the situation.

AM I RITE!!11?!!?

 

[skarrob]

A non story anyway

 

[Xune]

Leaked agent names, potential traitor, possible death penalty.

Where's the story in that?

 

[JellyWorld]

A non story anyway

non story?????? If Bush keeps his word Rove is going to lose his job if he is found guilty.

 

[Gray Fox]

I read in time mgazine, which had it's coverstory about Rove, that Rove did tell that the ambassadors wife works for the CIA, but he didn't tell her name. So in essence he did tell. But the thing is, she hasn't worked for year undercover, so he didn't really blow her cover, but foreign agencies are able to retraced her steps, and are potentially able to identify how the CIA operated, and who she talked with, which could lead to other spies loosing their cover.

 

[DreamThrall]

A non story anyway

Silly troll... how about some supporting statements?

 

[Korgoth]

non story?????? If Bush keeps his word Rove is going to lose his job if he is found guilty.

And if hes found guilty, and thats the worst that happens.. is him losing his job, i'm going to flip. The rep party made john kerry out to be a traitrous dog for speaking out against the vietnam war for which he actually participated in, served his fellow country men, then had the stones to talk about the horror that he witnessed... But rove reveals an undercover agents name for political one ups manship, potentially endangering the lives of countless agents who were in close contact with plume, and all he gets is a pink slip and a check for the rest of his miserable life?

 

[CptStern]

it's called "payola" for a job well done

 

[Icarusintel]

maybe they all went back to natalee holloway...
now that's a non-story if i ever heard one

 

[seinfeldrules]

And if hes found guilty, and thats the worst that happens.. is him losing his job,

Pretty much the same as Sandy Berger.

 

[Adidajs]

Rove single-handedly gave Bush Jr. the presidency. Rove will never lose his job. Some sleight-of-hand with this investigation will occur and Rove's involvement will have all been a mirage.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Because they couldn't get any blood out of it due to the fact that he isn't guilty of it as you'd wish, they went elsewhere.

 

[CptStern]

yet I cant help but think had rove been a democrat you'd be screaming for his execution because of treason

 

[Korgoth]

and I can't help but agree stern.

Oh and...
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsA...6066_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-LEAK-CONGRESS-DC.XML

Because they couldn't get any blood out of it due to the fact that he isn't guilty of it as you'd wish, they went elsewhere.

ugh...

A Time magazine reporter said he learned about Plame's identity from Rove, deputy White House chief of staff and chief architect of President Bush's re-election. Time reporter Matthew Cooper also said he discussed Plame and Wilson with Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff.

It can be illegal for a government official to knowingly disclose the identity of a covert CIA operative.

 

[No Limit]

I read in time mgazine, which had it's coverstory about Rove, that Rove did tell that the ambassadors wife works for the CIA, but he didn't tell her name. So in essence he did tell. But the thing is, she hasn't worked for year undercover, so he didn't really blow her cover, but foreign agencies are able to retraced her steps, and are potentially able to identify how the CIA operated, and who she talked with, which could lead to other spies loosing their cover.

This is what pisses me off about the right wing; you are a pretty smart guy but they have implanted those lies in your head to where you believe it; this is not meant as an insult to you. The talking point is that Rove never said her name. Well, yes, this is true in the same way Clinton's "what is the meaning of is" was true. Rove told Cooper Wilson's wife was a CIA agent; a quick google search would have gave you her name. Or I see, as Jon Stewert put it, he was talking about Wilson's other wife.

Second talking point, she wasn't undercover. Yes, she was. Although she was not in another country she had many people working at the same company she was working at (obviously not a real company, it was a cover company) that were undercover and were working overseas, those people could have been killed if they didn't get out fast enough. Not only were those peoples lives put in danger but all the information ever collected by those agents that were working for that company was gone.

These right wing talking points need to be destroyed, what's sad is the media repeats them over and over again until otherwise educated people start to believe them.

 

[No Limit]

Pretty much the same as Sandy Berger.

I love the way you guys argue, just point out a Democrat that did something wrong and say nothing else; that will really make it go away. If you haven't noticed most people (excluding the most extreme of both political sides) won't defend a guy that did something wrong because of his/her political affiliation. What bothers me is you on the other hand will defend any prominent Republican that exists on this earth. Republican leads us in to war based on lies, oh no, that was just bad intelligence. Republican defies courts while saying courts should not be activist (look up Schiavo) oh no, thats okay because Michael Schiavo is the devil's child. Republicans cut veteran benefits, oh thats okay because we spend too much on defense anyway. Republicans install policies that lead to torture, suddenly torture is okay according to partisan hacks like you. A Republican commits treason (even if the law can't say its treason) and blows the cover of agents that put their lives on the line for this country and thats okay, its just the evil liberals that want to attack anyone they can.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

She hadn't been undercover since the 90's. (edit: 1997)

 

[No Limit]

She hadn't been undercover since the 90's. (edit: 1997)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame

Little is known of Plame's professional career. While undercover, she had described herself as an "energy analyst" for the private company "Brewster Jennings & Associates," which the CIA later acknowledged was a front company for certain investigations. "Brewster Jennings" was first entered into Dun and Bradstreet records on May 22, 1994, but D&B would not discuss the source of the filing. D&B records list the company as a "legal services office," located at 101 Arch Street.

There were still undercover agents that worked for that company, all of which were outed by Rove. It doesn't matter if she was active at the time, people working with her were and all were exposed.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I love the way you guys argue, just point out a Democrat that did something wrong and say nothing else; that will really make it go away. If you haven't noticed most people (excluding the most extreme of both political sides) won't defend a guy that did something wrong because of his/her political affiliation. What bothers me is you on the other hand will defend any prominent Republican that exists on this earth. Republican leads us in to war based on lies, oh no, that was just bad intelligence. Republican defies courts while saying courts should not be activist (look up Schiavo) oh no, thats okay because Michael Schiavo is the devil's child. Republicans cut veteran benefits, oh thats okay because we spend too much on defense anyway. Republicans install policies that lead to torture, suddenly torture is okay according to partisan hacks like you. A Republican commits treason (even if the law can't say its treason) and blows the cover of agents that put their lives on the line for this country and thats okay, its just the evil liberals that want to attack anyone they can.

Blah blah steamrolling for political gain blah blah.

 

[No Limit]

Blah blah steamrolling for political gain blah blah.

Okay, I want to hear your opinion on the matter. Do you think that what Rove did was right or wrong?

Do you think what Novak did, getting 2 memos from CIA not to name Plame, was right or wrong?

Reason I ask is that the freepers (I think you know who I'm talking about) fully support what Novak did and claim Rove is a hero for his participation in it. I just want to make sure you are different than those hypocritical assholes.

 

[seinfeldrules]

freepers

No idea.

I just want to make sure you are different than those hypocritical assholes.

Just as the Dems are for standing by Berger and bashing Rove.

Do you think that what Rove did was right or wrong?

I will stand by however the court finds him.


P.S This is a huge lie:

If you haven't noticed most people (excluding the most extreme of both political sides) won't defend a guy that did something wrong because of his/her political affiliation.

 

[No Limit]

No idea.
Just as the Dems are for standing by Berger and bashing Rove.

Some Dems. Also, from what I know Berger didn't blow the cover of active undercover agents working to protect this country from WMDs.

I will stand by however the court finds him.

You are dodging the question. Does that mean you think what OJ did was okay since the courts said he didn't do anything wrong?

I love how you guys support the troops and support any people risking their life for this country; but if that person happens to be a Democrat then suddenly **** them. Exposing them and trying to discredit everything they do is okay.

P.S This is a huge lie:

No, it really isn't.

 

[Gray Fox]

This is what pisses me off about the right wing; you are a pretty smart guy but they have implanted those lies in your head to where you believe it; this is not meant as an insult to you. The talking point is that Rove never said her name. Well, yes, this is true in the same way Clinton's "what is the meaning of is" was true. Rove told Cooper Wilson's wife was a CIA agent; a quick google search would have gave you her name. Or I see, as Jon Stewert put it, he was talking about Wilson's other wife.

Second talking point, she wasn't undercover. Yes, she was. Although she was not in another country she had many people working at the same company she was working at (obviously not a real company, it was a cover company) that were undercover and were working overseas, those people could have been killed if they didn't get out fast enough. Not only were those peoples lives put in danger but all the information ever collected by those agents that were working for that company was gone.

These right wing talking points need to be destroyed, what's sad is the media repeats them over and over again until otherwise educated people start to believe them.

Dude I basicly said exactly what you said, only shorter, I kinda agree with you.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Some Dems. Also, from what I know Berger didn't blow the cover of active undercover agents working to protect this country from WMDs.

No, but he did steal top secret documents that could have fallen into the wrong hands.

You are dodging the question.

No, you are dodging reality. I do not consider myself greater than a United States Court of Law, which is clearly what you do.

but if that person happens to be a Democrat then suddenly **** them.

?????

No, it really isn't.

It really is. Dems will defend Dems no matter what, just as Republicans will defend Republicans. And I'm not specifically referring to this case.

 

[No Limit]

No, but he did steal top secret documents that could have fallen into the wrong hands.

And I think what he did was wrong. However, I find it ironic in Rove's case the courts are the rule of the land and everything they decide is gospel but when courts say in Berger's case that he only comitted a misdemeanor and didn't comit theft they are wrong.

No, you are dodging reality. I do not consider myself greater than a United States Court of Law, which is clearly what you do.

You still haven't answered. Was OJ right in what he did since the courts let him go free? It's a simple question Seinfeld, I don't know why you are having problems.

?????

What do you not understand? All your republican friends are doing everything they can to discredit Plame and are saying Rove is a hero for what he did. Let me ask you, what do you personally think of Plame?

It really is. Dems will defend Dems no matter what, just as Republicans will defend Republicans. And I'm not specifically referring to this case.

And again you are wrong. If you think I defend Democrats around every corner you haven't been paying much attention.

 

[seinfeldrules]

However, I find it ironic in Rove's case the courts are the rule of the land and everything they decide is gospel but when courts say in Berger's case that he only comitted a misdemeanor and didn't comit theft they are wrong.

They found him guilty.

Was OJ right in what he did since the courts let him go free?

He was acquitted, that means they couldnt prove beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. I dont see why you are having problems waiting to see what a court may conclude. If you are so sure about Rove then no worries, right? For every OJ there are 1239081234 cases that go smoothly. Do you want me to ask you about all of those?

Let me ask you, what do you personally think of Plame?
Never met the person so I have no friggin clue.

If you think I defend Democrats around every corner you haven't been paying much attention.

In politics it happens. I dont care what you do, you are a nobody compared to Senators and the like.

 

[No Limit]

They found him guilty.

Not of the charges the Republicans were hoping would be pinned on him; they wanted him to be put on trial for stealing federal property and classified information, a felony. And to be honest I think those charges would have been appropriate but the courts didn't work in that case as they won't in the case of Rove.

He was acquitted, that means they couldnt prove beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. I dont see why you are having problems waiting to see what a court may conclude. If you are so sure about Rove then no worries, right? For every OJ there are 1239081234 cases that go smoothly. Do you want me to ask you about all of those?

And Rove will be acquitted. That doesn't mean he didn't commit a horrible crime, that means he simply has legal protection. I am not having problems waiting for the courts to conlcude the invesitgation especially since they are now also moving to prejury but my point is simply because the courts might (will) acquit him in the future from the traitor charge doesn't mean he isn't a traitor. Courts acquitted OJ of murder but that doesn't mean he isn't a murderer. THe rich and especially the powerful have a funny way to be acquitted, OJ is free, Michael Jackson is free, Robert Blake is free, R Kelly is free, but on the other hand there are dozens of cases where poor innocent black guys on death row were found guilt; and you want to bullshit me that if the courts decide Rove didn't do anything illegal that must mean he didn't do anything wrong? What I don't understand is why you can't take a position on the Rove leak now that we know he was the source. It goes back to my point of you guys praising good americans that serve their country; but as soon as those good americans side with democrats suddenly it's okay to do everything in your power to destroy their credibility.

In politics it happens. I dont care what you do, you are a nobody compared to Senators and the like.

I can find a bunch of senators that cross party lines all the times. Just today 15 senators voted against their party on CAFTA. It happens.