solaris you SOB,trow your tv and PC out of your house to please your idol

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today it will be off a long standing channel(RCTV),blamed for "distortionate the goverment" just because they focused a lot in the 2002 in the failed cup of eta
and yeah since that is considered worse that the holocaust by chavez them the signal will be off replaced by a "social tv network"
various international groups condemed this as injustice and it is,anyone whit a brain can see the whole thing is personal and even chavizt followers dont aprove this,but as there is this good goverment that care about its people the only one who can decied is the one in the main chair

and you should see the goverment channel,I have never see such a biased stuff since the halo fanboys,they are saying that the channel is spreading facist message of violence to violently protest in the streets but if just showing opinions of the stars and nostalgic and historical stuff
and yesterday a group of people saying been followers of chavez attacked the facilities of another channels,and the goverment channel they said they didnt agreed whit those attacks and where not part of it,honestly this looks like north korean propaganda

but off course solaris will be there ejaculating about this and problably others,and huging theyr castro and stalin and lenin dolls while singing songs of the north korean president

so solaris start trowing your tv and PC out of the video you can feel how great the people will feel here ins ome moments

though I prefer that if solaris post something the mods delete it to make the experience more realistic
 
I have always said that Chavez is one big evil sob, along with all the other commie leaders in this world.
 
<RJMC> said:
today it will be off a long standing channel(RCTV),blamed for "distortionate the goverment" just because they focused a lot in the 2002 in the failed cup of eta
and yeah since that is considered worse that the holocaust by chavez them the signal will be off replaced by a "social tv network"
various international groups condemed this as injustice and it is,anyone whit a brain can see the whole thing is personal and even chavizt followers dont aprove this,but as there is this good goverment that care about its people the only one who can decied is the one in the main chair

and you should see the goverment channel,I have never see such a biased stuff since the halo fanboys,they are saying that the channel is spreading facist message of violence to violently protest in the streets but if just showing opinions of the stars and nostalgic and historical stuff
and yesterday a group of people saying been followers of chavez attacked the facilities of another channels,and the goverment channel they said they didnt agreed whit those attacks and where not part of it,honestly this looks like north korean propaganda

but off course solaris will be there ejaculating about this and problably others,and huging theyr castro and stalin and lenin dolls while singing songs of the north korean president

so solaris start trowing your tv and PC out of the video you can feel how great the people will feel here ins ome moments

though I prefer that if solaris post something the mods delete it to make the experience more realistic
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I can't say I agree with Solaris. But you were against Chavez long before he did anything like this. And the parties you supported haven't been much better then Chavez to Venezuela. If they had, Chavez would not have been chosen in the first place.
And please stop with the Straw Man arguments against solaris.
 
Gray Fox said:
I can't say I agree with Solaris. But you were against Chavez long before he did anything like this. And the parties you supported haven't been much better then Chavez to Venezuela. If they had, Chavez would not have been chosen in the first place.
And please stop with the Straw Man arguments against solaris.
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Heh, I was too, but I have always believed. Socialism always turns bad. Mark my words. :)
 
Gray Fox said:
Well maybe it does. The fact I keep helping you so much even though you would have me shot the moment I stepped on Sk soil seems prove enough.

In any case, how's freakonomics.
And would you like to read:
Guns, Germs, and Steal
A short history of nearly everything
The world is flat
The tipping point
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<3
Freakonomics is awesome! (Thank you :naughty:):D I love reading thses kinds of books.

Read the first 2, but I'm gonna take a look at the other 2.


:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:


If you do come here, btw, be sure to avoid talking/writing on the net about politics, though. You may never know.... KISCOM is watching....
 
I fully support Chavez's decision here. First of all, 80% of the media in Venusuala is privately owned and run by corporations who are owned by people with alot of money to lose if Chavez's socialist policies hit them. So they provide very biased reports against the government. Chavez does nothing to stop them. No reporters are ever locked up for writing anti-Chavez reports, and they do, a lot. It is key to understand that Chavez is not stopping this media station simply becuase they are anti-Chavez. I invite anyone to challenge me on this.

The reason he is stopping this media station is becuase it is anti-democratic. It 2002 it helped the coup d'etat against Chavez. Through mis-information and refusal to report what was happening and actively calling people to joining violent protests, it helped orchestrate and fully supported the other throwing of a democratically elected government. Imagine if it was Channel 4 calling for people to support an army coup for political control in Britain, when a democratic government was re-established of course we would get Channel 4 off the air. Any reasonable democracy would.

Rjmc - oh ah, chavez e no ce va
 
Solaris said:
I fully support Chavez's decision here. First of all, 80% of the media in Venusuala is privately owned and run by corporations who are owned by people with alot of money to lose if Chavez's socialist policies hit them. So they prevent very biased reports against the government. Chavez does nothing to stop them. No reporters are ever locked up for writing anti-Chavez reports, and they do, a lot. It is key to understand that Chavez is not stopping this media station simply becuase they are anti-Chavez. I invite anyone to challenge me on this.
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Sounds like gradual censorship through fear.

Besides, taking one channel off the air may not seem like anything too drastic, but it sets a precedent. It's much easier to do something again if it's already been done in the past.
 
I still firmly believe that a military coup would be better than Chavez.
 
Icarusintel said:
Sounds like gradual censorship through fear.

Besides, taking one channel off the air may not seem like anything too drastic, but it sets a precedent. It's much easier to do something again if it's already been done in the past.
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Sorry, I meant to say Provide not prevent.
 
This coupled with other measures Chavez has taken indicate he is a fascist dictator no matter how you put it. You cannot fight fascism with fascism, you can only replace it by your own. Chavez is misusing the power granted to him by the people to establish absolute and unquestioned control.

Chavez could have established his own network to compete, he could have simply put BBCworld on the air, he could have addressed the problem in an open and honest fashion with the millions that put their faith in him. He is not an improvement for the country, he is simply another face of the fascist coin that has plagued south America for so long.

Edit: There are many biased pro Chavez reporters who are not being pulled of the air, Chavez is not doing this to prevent false information, otherwise he would have applied the same standards to the other side.

15357 said:
<3
Freakonomics is awesome! (Thank you :naughty:):D I love reading thses kinds of books.

Read the first 2, but I'm gonna take a look at the other 2.


:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:


If you do come here, btw, be sure to avoid talking/writing on the net about politics, though. You may never know.... KISCOM is watching....
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Check your pm's
 
CptStern said:
you mean like how other military coups in south america have been so successful?
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Well, yes, seeing that it did suceed.


"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

edit:

Check your pm's
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<3 :D :D

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In the early Pinochet years, unemployment rose, real wages fell, the divide between rich and poor grew, decreasing the economic prosperity of the average Chilean.
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ok, that rather makes me against mr. Pinochet there.
 
15357 said:
Well, yes, seeing that it did suceed.


"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

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<3 :D :D

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ok, that rather makes me against mr. Pinochet there.
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are you sure you know who Pinochet is? because it ddoesnt seem like you do. It's just another example of how quick you are to jump to anything that is anti-communist ..even if they're responsible for crimes against humanity ..but who cares so long as they fight communism the deaths of 10's of thousands of innocent civilians is surely worth it, because the state is more important than the people ...right?
 
Solaris said:
I fully support Chavez's decision here. First of all, 80% of the media in Venusuala is privately owned and run by corporations who are owned by people with alot of money to lose if Chavez's socialist policies hit them. So they provide very biased reports against the government. Chavez does nothing to stop them. No reporters are ever locked up for writing anti-Chavez reports, and they do, a lot. It is key to understand that Chavez is not stopping this media station simply becuase they are anti-Chavez. I invite anyone to challenge me on this.

The reason he is stopping this media station is becuase it is anti-democratic. It 2002 it helped the coup d'etat against Chavez. Through mis-information and refusal to report what was happening and actively calling people to joining violent protests, it helped orchestrate and fully supported the other throwing of a democratically elected government. Imagine if it was Channel 4 calling for people to support an army coup for political control in Britain, when a democratic government was re-established of course we would get Channel 4 off the air. Any reasonable democracy would.

Rjmc - oh ah, chavez e no ce va
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I am a Socialist, and I disagree with any kind of cencorship.
 
Gray Fox said:
This coupled with other measures Chavez has taken indicate he is a fascist dictator no matter how you put it. You cannot fight fascism with fascism, you can only replace it by your own. Chavez is misusing the power granted to him by the people to establish absolute and unquestioned control.

Chavez could have established his own network to compete, he could have simply put BBCworld on the air, he could have addressed the problem in an open and honest fashion with the millions that put their faith in him. He is not an improvement for the country, he is simply another face of the fascist coin that has plagued south America for so long.

Edit: There are many biased pro Chavez reporters who are not being pulled of the air, Chavez is not doing this to prevent false information, otherwise he would have applied the same standards to the other side.
Check your pm's
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You haven't addressed what I've said. The media station in question actively supported and helped a military coup remove a democratically elected government.

Chavez is not a facist. He does not use violence against political opponents, or against his own people. He obeys the law, is elected by a majority of over 60%. What Facist things has he done?

I am a Socialist, and I disagree with any kind of cencorship.
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It's not censorship, it is a protection of democracy.
 
It's not censorship, it is a protection of democracy.
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Then howcome no other democracies need to shut down television networks to protect it?
 
Taxman said:
Then howcome no other democracies need to shut down television networks to protect it?
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Are people actually reading what I'm saying, please read my first post fully, it's very important for this debate.

I'll re-iterate it.

Taxman, the reason other democracies don't have to is becuase other TV stations do not actively partake in the other throwing of a democracy.

In 2002 a military coup attempted to other throw Chavez's presidency. They took Chavez into custody, and the Media station in question broadcast a fake resignation letter from Chavez. It encouraged people to take part in violent protests to overthrow the government and it spread lies that Chavez's forces were firing on unarmed civilians. No democracy would allow a TV station that took part in such a crime and helped overthrow an elected government, to continue to broadcast.
 
Solaris said:
Are people actually reading what I'm saying, please read my first post fully, it's very important for this debate.

I'll re-iterate it.

Taxman, the reason other democracies don't have to is becuase other TV stations do not actively partake in the other throwing of a democracy.

In 2002 a military coup attempted to other throw Chavez's presidency. They took Chavez into custody, and the Media station in question broadcast a fake resignation letter from Chavez. It encouraged people to take part in violent protests to overthrow the government and it spread lies that Chavez's forces were firing on unarmed civilians. No democracy would allow a TV station that took part in such a crime and helped overthrow an elected government, to continue to broadcast.
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There's never been a trial linking RCTV's involvement at the time to any coup attempt.

As far as any evidence suggests, RCTV was not a danger to Venezuelan democracy. Unless I'm missing something drastic here, this looks like Chavez closed down the station and put over 2,000 people out of jobs because of its editorial stance. He just managed to bury it underneath a heaping pile of political, nationalistic rhetoric. His words sound increasingly like that of a mid-20th century dictator.

Regardless, seems like most Venezuelans disagree with Chavez's actions and reasoning. This complete absence of due process should disturb you, Solaris.
 
just what I expected

rctv showed a lot of the coup but didnt showed the return of chavez,they didnt get involved unless you call that involment

and stop whit the "they havent arrested any periodist thats freedom of expretions!" off course they didnt cuz they know if they use that they will get a worse reputation,honestly I laugh at the people who use that to defend,cuz killing and putting perdiodists in jail is the only way to supress something

and what if a big percent of the media is oposite to chavez? that the godamed freedom of speech that is suposed that every democracy have,but no you just copy paste every thing your idols say

there is the goverment making acusations to CNN just cuz they where showing footage of rctv finals transmitions
and is bullshit that they where showing violence,complete bullshit
hell in cnn in a interview whit the ambassador in the USA the ambasador said that here thereis more freedom of speech that the USA,thats complete bullshit,here comedy shows cant even make fun of the goverment or they have to pay a fine

you are just biased solaris,so stop talking like if you know what you are talking about,you just have your posters of castro,stalin,mao,kim sum and the dumbass here,and as a good obedient boy you just repeat what they say
 
<RJMC> said:
just what I expected

rctv showed a lot of the coup but didnt showed the return of chavez,they didnt get involved unless you call that involment
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They did alot more than that, they ran adverts encouraging people to take to the streets in violent protests against Chavez, they told people that Chavez's supporters were firing on unarmed civilians - a lie, and they read out a fake resignation letter from Chavez. When the coup failed they refused to air coverage of what was happening and broadcast cartoons. Quite simply, they actively supported and aided the coup.
 
Solaris said:
They did alot more than that, they ran adverts encouraging people to take to the streets in violent protests against Chavez, they told people that Chavez's supporters were firing on unarmed civilians - a lie, and they read out a fake resignation letter from Chavez. When the coup failed they refused to air coverage of what was happening and broadcast cartoons. Quite simply, they actively supported and aided the coup.
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the ads are fake,thats 100% fake,I have never see those adds and I was hooked that day

and that dont mean they where involved in the coup

and yeah the goverment channels are completly incocents,yesterday there was such a biased show on the goverment channel,they showed a lot of the injured policeman but didnt showed the protests and they where saying rctv was encouragin violence when they where not cuz I saw it whit my own eyes,people trowed stuff and went crazy but rctv didnt showed that,yeah such a unbiased media there
 
<RJMC> said:
the ads are fake,thats 100% fake,I have never see those adds and I was hooked that day

and that dont mean they where involved in the coup

and yeah the goverment channels are completly incocents,yesterday there was such a biased show on the goverment channel,they showed a lot of the injured policeman but didnt showed the protests and they where saying rctv was encouragin violence when they where not cuz I saw it whit my own eyes,people trowed stuff and went crazy but rctv didnt showed that,yeah such a unbiased media there
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whit?
 
Solaris, imagine situation when the Christian Church in the United Kingdom cut off blasphemy spreading BBC. Sounds like protection of democracy, eh?

Down with Chavez! Proletarians of all countries, f*ck off.
 
no the thing is that me,who have lived all his 18 years of life here,cant say anything cuz its biased and and I am da millonarie bourgeoisie cuz I have a Pc whit internet conection tus making me a capilatist that hate the poor,so my post are not valid

but since solaris is a supporter of him all his post are right and 200% truth and morrally ethic and right and not bieased and above mine just because he supports chavez,and mine post are zero irrevelant and meanless because I dont support chavez

so my opinion is nothing since I dont support chavez and he is 100% right cuz he do support it
deja vu?
 
<RJMC> said:
no the thing is that me,who have lived all his 18 years of life here,cant say anything cuz its biased and and I am da millonarie bourgeoisie cuz I have a Pc whit internet conection tus making me a capilatist that hate the poor,so my post are not valid

but since solaris is a supporter of him all his post are right and 200% truth and morrally ethic and right and not bieased and above mine just because he supports chavez,and mine post are zero irrevelant and meanless because I dont support chavez

so my opinion is nothing since I dont support chavez and he is 100% right cuz he do support it
deja vu?
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Which party did you support and have you supported in the past.
 
Gray Fox said:
Which party did you support and have you supported in the past.
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no one

I am not a politic person,but I want chavez out

and if you ask why is for stuff like this,turning the country in a second north korea

I really dont care for the rctv but for the action and replacing it whit a very biased goverment channel,besides there 2 cables channels that are biased tot he goverment too
 
Well you obviously are a very political person, since you keep critisizing Chavez and Solaris. Now common expose yourself a little and tell us which party would you support the most. Whats your alternative to Chavez. And what you do and do not like about that party.
 
Gray Fox said:
Well you obviously are a very political person, since you keep critisizing Chavez and Solaris. Now common expose yourself a little and tell us which party would you support the most. Whats your alternative to Chavez. And what you do and do not like about that party.
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so I have to support one just because I critize one?

my big desire as its said is about the freedom of speech and all that jazz,time ago before this laws chavez was more as a nuisance that people tolerate,but whit this is worse
 
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