South Dakota House Approves Abortion Ban

Amendments aimed at carving out exemptions for rape, incest and the health of women were rejected.
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So much for being "civilised".
 
Given the intentions I hardly call it uncivilized. It's in hopes of giving many children the chance at life. Whether you agree or not, calling one side 'uncivilized' (unless they used violence or something) is wrong because both have strong convictions behind why they do, and neither one's reasoning is simply to restrict people for the sake of it.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Given the intentions I hardly call it uncivilized. It's in hopes of giving many children the chance at life. Whether you agree or not, calling one side 'uncivilized' (unless they used violence or something) is wrong because both have strong convictions behind why they do, and neither one's reasoning is simply to restrict people for the sake of it.
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You're acting as though both sides are being equally reasonable.

Forcing a woman, through law, to carry a rape-baby inside herself for nine months is not reasonable, especially given that it can be safely removed before gaining any semblance of humanity.

The belief in full-fledged humanity from conception is not founded in fact.
When you don't have a valid reason for restricting something, you might as well be doing it for the sake.

Whatever you want to call it, it is human rights being superceded by the rights of something that is only maybe - but probably not - human.
 
I don't understand the view that it has 'no semblance of humanity.'

That's just wrong to me. Is is a person inside there. The right to life shouldn't be taken away. Human rights being infringed upon? The right to life supercedes the nonexistant right to not be pregnant. Put the children up for adoption. Trust me on this, there are families out there who will take these children in and strive to do everything they can to make things right for them.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
I don't understand the view that it has 'no semblance of humanity.' That's just wrong to me. Is is a person inside there.
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For the first many weeks, the fetus, such as it is, is nothing more than a mound of cells.

The common scientific definition of humanity involves an combination of independant existance and/or a functioning mind, a fetus does not qualify for either condition until somewhere around the 14th week of pregnancy.

Over 80% of abortions occur before that week. I don't support the other (approx.) 15%.

The right to life shouldn't be taken away.
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Since the life in this case is unproven at best, practitioners of abortion are innocent until proven guilty.

You have your belief, but there is no secular basis for its enactment into law.

Human rights being infringed upon? The right to life supercedes the nonexistant right to not be pregnant.
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Wrong on two counts:

1)The taking of life is not proven in abortion for the above reasons.

2)The right to "not be pregnant" is quite real, existing everywhere in North America. Except South Dakota, apparently.


Put the children up for adoption. Trust me on this, there are families out there who will take these children in and strive to do everything they can to make things right for them.
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If the abortion occurs, there will be no child to worry about in the first place.
Then you will not have the state to forcing women to, in all honesty, act as breeders for adoption agencies.

That is a very tangible reality, as opposed to an essentially religious taboo.
 
I don't understand the view that it has 'no semblance of humanity.'

That's just wrong to me. Is is a person inside there. The right to life shouldn't be taken away. Human rights being infringed upon? The right to life supercedes the nonexistant right to not be pregnant. Put the children up for adoption. Trust me on this, there are families out there who will take these children in and strive to do everything they can to make things right for them.
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No, there is a possibility for a person to be created inside of there.

What if it's a 13 year old girl that's been raped ? Should she have to go through the ordeal of unwanted pregnancy just because she was in the wrong place in the wrong time ? Using your view, her life would be warped for the worse for a long time to come because the state (and the majority of religious people in America) find the idea of abortion morally repulsive, so the decision would be forced on her - just like the rape in the first place. :|

"Humanity from conception" is a purely religious view which is unfounded at the current period of time, and shouldn't be forced on people just because a majority of people in that nation disagree with it. It is justified action in some cases, and instead of banning it altogether there should at least be a back-up court system to ensure that those who have a real need for it (like in the case above) get it.
 
Oh dear. Backstreet abortions with knitting needles seem to be acceptable to South Dakotans then.
 
This is also a big issue in Canada..don't know what the hell will happen though. Some people say it takes away a women's right to choose. But I wouldn't full out Ban it.
 
Im also against abortion,but banning it is just wrong.I dont have the right to tell a women what to do with her body.I still dont think its a great thing thoe(abortion)
 
gick said:
Oh dear. Backstreet abortions with knitting needles seem to be acceptable to South Dakotans then.
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They can just cross the border to another state. It's more a statement of "not acceptable in this commonwealth"
 
I'm not too fond of abortion. But I think that if it were to be banned, there'd be a bunch of unsafe backalley coathanger abortions, and to me thats a lot worse.

However something i'm really against is partial and really late term abortions. Where the fetus is quite developed enough to be given birth to. In these cases they basically deliver the baby feet first (since the legal technicality is that it isn't born until the head is out) and they scramble the brains through the base of the neck with the head still inside. I find this horrible. If its that mature just give birth and put it up for adoption, there is no reason to kill it this late in the pregnancy.
 
Flyingdebris said:
I'm not too fond of abortion. But I think that if it were to be banned, there'd be a bunch of unsafe backalley coathanger abortions, and to me thats a lot worse.

However something i'm really against is partial and really late term abortions. Where the fetus is quite developed enough to be given birth to. In these cases they basically deliver the baby feet first (since the legal technicality is that it isn't born until the head is out) and they scramble the brains through the base of the neck with the head still inside. I find this horrible. If its that mature just give birth and put it up for adoption, there is no reason to kill it this late in the pregnancy.
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QFT

They made us watch a video of abortions at school once. Suffice to say, twas not pleasant. Having said that, it would be all the more unpleasant if it was done with a coathanger, which is why it should remain legal.
 
As with Flyindebris, "I'm not too fond of abortion" but there's no way it should be banned.

Only in South Dakota!
 
gick said:
QFT

They made us watch a video of abortions at school once. Suffice to say, twas not pleasant. Having said that, it would be all the more unpleasant if it was done with a coathanger, which is why it should remain legal.
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Goddamn religous schools.
 
Solaris said:
Goddamn religous schools.
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As much as I agree with you, this was a case of a religious school not simply trying to indoctrinate, but showing the pure facts.
 
gick said:
As much as I agree with you, this was a case of a religious school not simply trying to indoctrinate, but showing the pure facts.
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But do they even tell you what a condom is?
If they cared so much for thoose little babies, they'd ditch there stupid morals and help prevent such things having to happen.
 
Solaris said:
But do they even tell you what a condom is?
If they cared so much for thoose little babies, they'd ditch there stupid morals and help prevent such things having to happen.
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Dont be stupid. Despite what you may think, not all catholics are facistic assholes. The ones in my middle school on the other hand...
 
Although I also disagree with late-stage abortions, I've gotta point out that showing a video is not equivalent to presenting pure facts.
Especially when the goal of the presentation is to provoke an emotional response.
 
gick said:
Oh dear. Backstreet abortions with knitting needles seem to be acceptable to South Dakotans then.
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Exactly. Legalising abortion makes life a lot safer for a lot of women.
There is a strange conviction many people seem to have that, if abortion is legal, people will run around having copious amounts of unprotected sex thinking:
"It's ok if I get up the duff, I'll just have an abortion!"
I find that very odd.

What I also find odd is that people rant about the sanctity of a foetus's right to life, as long as it's not the product of rape or incest. If it's one of those undesirables, then no, its "rights" are null and void.
To say that one foetus has an unshakable right to life over another, due to the circumstances of its conception, is an inherent contradiction. How can this "sanctity" be conditional?

I'm not saying that people MUST be pro-choice, nor am I saying that if you oppose abortions, you MUST go the whole hog and denounce abortion in every circumstance. I merely point out that to allow for exception is extremely flawed moral logic.
gick said:
They made us watch a video of abortions at school once. Suffice to say, twas not pleasant.
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How old were you!? Surely that's not legal!?
 
el Chi said:
How old were you!? Surely that's not legal!?
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I was 16 at the time, as were most of my class. Im not sure if it was legal, but they did warn us and tell us we may want to leave the room.

I wish I had ;(
 
Do they show the woman who does have a baby at 19, and then fails at life? No.
 
Solaris said:
Do they show the woman who does have a baby at 19, and then fails at life? No.
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We watched a video from a pro-abortion group too.
 
what catholics preach and what catholics do are 2 different things. The church "officially" does not condone contraseptives because that would imply sex for pleasure and sinfulness and they really can't get away with supporting that.

However what catholics do, the sane ones anyway, is wrap up their junk like anyone else.
 
Allowing the government to control womens' bodies is one step forward away from freedom.
 
In my opinion it is wrong that laws of this nature are passed and reading the article see it was passed with a majority of 47 to 22.

I would like to think I will never be put in a position of deciding but feel the option should be there and not removed by Government laws.

I agree with all who say that live is sacred but would actually take it further and say that the quality of life is sacred. That quality comes with consciousness.

Nobody would ever argue that a fully conscious breathing, living baby should be aborted but this self awareness is not there for many weeks into a pregnancy.

Safe, sterile and State sanctioned abortions should be available to all, whether you agree with it or not.

To terminate a pregnancy must be one of the most difficult decisions anybody would ever make but that option should be there.
 
South Dakota, home of.................. :hmph:

Well, I'm sure they have something in South Dakota.
 
OCybrManO said:
South Dakota, home of.................. :hmph:

Well, I'm sure they have something in South Dakota.
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The world's biggest consumer of coat hangers?
 
They have Mount Rushmore and Crazy horse monuments. Both of which are spectacular to see. Black hills are also in South Dakota... my family has a bit of property there :-P


But it sure seems like there's alot of trailer parks there. Blegh.
 
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