Star Wars 3--the no spoiler tags thread

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Well, the other thread was getting a bit annoying to read with all the spoiler/avoidance of giving info away, so I thought it'd be best to start a new thread.

Anyways, my impressions:

Goods:
Story tied up nicely. I was kinda hoping to see it end with the blockade runner running away from the star destroyer, but this was probably better.

Obi Wan was done nicely. I was really moved by "You were the chosen one!" at the end.

I really liked how anakin fell. He lost because of his arrogance, thinking he was stronger then Obi Wan despite the odds against him, and his 3 remaining human limbs were cut off. Anakin looked really bestial as he was burning too.

Anakin's temptation was done well in my opinion, Sidious's part was played well, and I liked how he tried to turn palpatine in, but was too desperate to save padme.

A really nice touch in my opinion was to clear up the dark side of the force: they made it so that it didnt run off pure evil, but rather passion, with anger just happening to be a strong emotion, but love was in there as well.

One of the few bits of dialogue i liked was the bit about Love leading to Greed.

Order 66 was just amazing, especially with all the planets they showed.

Bads:
Some incredibly cheesy dialogue, biggest failing in the whole new series.

Palpatines instant transition to sidious. Especially with the voice.

Grevious was so much cooler in the cartoon, and they didnt explain why he was wheezing.

The memory wipe thing at the end seemed thrown in.

I wish the republics military's transition to the empire's was done more subtly.

Never really explained who ordered the clone army.

Never explained whether or not the force could raise the dead.

Didnt do much with the whole force ghost thing.



So, what about you guys?
 
I thought there were a lot of simple things that were just annoying, like some of the directing/cutting of scenes was just plain bad. Some of the earlier fights were badly choreographed, especially the bit where Palpatine is about to be arrested, and he spins towards them which is cool, but then he just kind of taps two of the guards with his lightsaber. The guards don't even move to block or anything, they're like statues, and it wasn't like he moved particularly fast. The whole fight with Sam J was pretty lame actually.
 
spookymooky said:
Some incredibly cheesy dialogue, biggest failing in the whole new series.
Agreed, people were laughing out loud at that. The worst was "Nooo!!" though. Embarassing.
Palpatines instant transition to sidious. Especially with the voice.
Ian McDiarmond has an incredible voice and I love how emphasized it is, just like the old trilogy. Theres no "instant" transition, he's been sidious since episode one... he disfigures because of the use of force lightning which, apparantly, disfigures you. It may be metaphorical or something too, but I thought it made sense.
Grevious was so much cooler in the cartoon, and they didnt explain why he was wheezing.
Its odd, he seems like a robot/human mix... you'll notice before obi wan wrecks his shit he shoots at what appears to be a shrivelled human heart or whatever kind of internal organs he had... the wheezing is self explanitory - his organs are human, but fuxored!
The memory wipe thing at the end seemed thrown in.
Eh. George Lucas bad humor.
Never really explained who ordered the clone army.
...Palpatine? I get the sense (General Dodanna, episode 4) that the clone army was made of clones but commanded by actual people appointed by the republic.
Never explained whether or not the force could raise the dead.
Remember when palpatine was discussing to anakin about Darth Plagus, or however its spelled? I'm pretty sure that is Palpatines master, and that this whole scheme was initiated by impregnating Shmi (Anakins mother) using the force, as Palpy claimed he could. It makes sense!
Didnt do much with the whole force ghost thing.
Yeah it did seem thrown in to explain obi wan disappearing, and qui gon remaining.

One other thing that bugged me is when luke and leia are talking on endor, luke asks her "did you know your mother? your REAL mother?". She replies with "yes, but just for a little while". How long is a little while? Like 5 seconds?
 
The memory wipe thing?

I don't remember that part of the movie.... :|

Edit: OMG...my memory was wiped! :O
 
I dont understand what happened to him in that cartoon. I watched it but like, what exactly did he do to him?
 
does this mean Storm Troopers are clones to??
I it cant be..Han Solo went to the Academy and so did Kyle Katarn
 
Lemonking said:
does this mean Storm Troopers are clones to??
I it cant be..Han Solo went to the Academy and so did Kyle Katarn


I think the Clone army was the beginning of the storm troopers, and then the academy helped fill the ranks as well with people, so you would end up with a mix of clones, who were getting much older and real people. Greivous is half humanoid, i don't think he's human, and half robot. He was a real person but he was severely injured and was turned into Greivous.

I think the transition between the Republic and the Empire i.e. between episode 3 and 4 will be dealt with by the new tv series that's coming. And i always thought that Count Dooku ordered the Clone army on Palpatine's orders. As what Palpatine wanted to do was to create an army in secret that appeared out of nowhere to fight the trade federation, he got each side to fight each other, whilst the senate gave him more and more power, until he had enoug power to just take over and take out the Jedi council.
 
does this mean Storm Troopers are clones to??
I it cant be..Han Solo went to the Academy and so did Kyle Katarn

No, think of the fact that EP3 and 4 leave a gap of 20 years between them. The clone troops would be too old. The empire conquers lots of systems and planets, enough human resources to recruit for the large stormtrooper army.

But in Episodes 7-9 some cloned stormtroopers re-appear.
 
I liked it all in all... well as much as I could like a prequel I guess. These are my only complaints.

I thought the Kashyyk part of the movie was abysmal. They introduced, up to this time at least, a completely new species and a new planet. All for two minutes of screen time that didn't do the wookies or Kashyyk justice. It felt rushed and thrown together. I understand the need to show Yoda betrayed by the clone army. That could have been done anywhere. I would have liked it if that time was spent on more details regarding one of the key themes of the movie; Anakin's transformation or the Republic/Empire/Rebellion-to-be.

The only other thing I didn't like was the CG. It was way too much and way too often. I think it's Lucas's crutch, to prop up his shortcomings as a director. Everthing felt so distant, fake, flat and shiney. I never felt connected to the movie. I liked how this movie bridged the gap from old to new, but the CG assault on the senses just didn't do it for me.

Again, I liked the movie all in all. I just had a few gripes.
 
SenorDingDong said:
I dont understand what happened to him in that cartoon. I watched it but like, what exactly did he do to him?


The reason he is weazing is because Mace Windu crushes his chest with his force powers, injuring him and he falls to his knees and starts choking and weazing and the ship flies back to his ship with Palpatine.

edit: as for the movie, in my opinion, it was one of the best movies i have ever seen, definately right up there with the first 3 episodes for me. It is just unfortunately that Lucas won't do episodes 7 - 9 though :(.
 
Recoil said:
No, think of the fact that EP3 and 4 leave a gap of 20 years between them. The clone troops would be too old. The empire conquers lots of systems and planets, enough human resources to recruit for the large stormtrooper army.

But in Episodes 7-9 some cloned stormtroopers re-appear.

The clone factories wasn't destroyed until after ep6. Therefore, there must have been more clones being made during ep4-6.
 
spookymooky said:
Never really explained who ordered the clone army.
They did in #2.
It was made by that dark-side jedi that Sidious killed in his sleep.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
They did in #2.
It was made by that dark-side jedi that Sidious killed in his sleep.
What about master Sifo-Dyas?
 
gh0st said:
Its odd, he seems like a robot/human mix... you'll notice before obi wan wrecks his shit he shoots at what appears to be a shrivelled human heart or whatever kind of internal organs he had... the wheezing is self explanitory - his organs are human, but fuxored
...Yeah but he has no lungs, just a heart, explain that.
 
Count Dooku became Darth Tyranus, Palpatine’s apprentice, in less than a year after the events of The Phantom Menace. One of his first missions was to order a clone army as Sifo Dyas, who was on his way to Kamino. (Sifo Dyas was an Ogdarian born on the asteroid world of Esiken, and discovered by the Jedi when he moved to Allistare.) Count Dooku had Billigo Hilgobottomager (a Jedi master of disguise and possibly a changeling) pretend to be Sifo Dyas and order an army cloned from the bounty hunter, Jango Fett. Jango Fett had proven himself as the best bounty hunter throughout the Galaxy by always beating the formidable cyborg Montross to a mark.

http://www.jedipurge.com/
 
Wow.. I simply loved the movie..

Everything about it was made in a much much better way than the previous prequels. I really like the characters and the feel of most of them, Obi-Wan particularly.

Some parts were very sad, the "Order 66" with several famous Jedis like Ki-Adi-Mundi and Plo Koon being brutally killed almost made me cry. :(

Loved Anakin's transformation, it really felt like he was consumed by Darth Vader, like possessed by the dark side.
 
The_Monkey said:
What about master Sifo-Dyas?

Yeah that's who ordered the army. Isn't that the same guy Sidious said he killed?

It would explain how Sidious took over control of the clones and how Sifo-Dyas died ten years before #2.
(Ten years before #2 is also the same time Episode 1 took place, which is the first time Sidious emerged and began his evil plans.)
 
D.L said:
...Yeah but he has no lungs, just a heart, explain that.
how do you know he didnt have lungs. from what i've heard, mace windu crushed his chest with the force and he had to be, well, recreated.

edit: i heard it here, apparantly. heh.
 
To clear up some of what I meant:

When I said Palpatine's transformation was too sudden, I meant that I didnt like the way his voice seemed to snap between palpatine/sidious. It must be just my impression, but those moments seemed really forced to me.

I knew Grevious was injured in the cartoons. I meant this wasnt conveyed at all anywhere in the movie. It just makes him look like a crappy robot design. And, now that I think of it, they should have shown he could use the force.
 
I thought some of the film was superb but the lame script and the acting of Anakin was dreadful, he seemed monotonal all the way through. The scene changes got annoying, but if I was doing it, i wouldnt have a clue how i'd go from one side of the galaxy to another like that :p

Film was better than the last 2 though... none of that bloody jar jar binks
 
spookymooky said:
Never really explained who ordered the clone army.

I know what you mean. We were given a name in EpII, but we didn't find out if it was definately that person, or someone using the name as his alias
 
hmm...okay, i am not the most knowledgable person when it comes to Star Wars but why do everyone i talk to seem to hate Jar Jar Binks?
i don't like the character all that much...but i have not come to hate him.
maybe i missed something in one of the movies :|
 
It was an awesome movie. I loved how Anakin lost his limbs, that part was really clever.
 
The clone factories wasn't destroyed until after ep6. Therefore, there must have been more clones being made during ep4-6.

Yeah... but I suppose it's cheaper to recruit than to clone. I've read stories about stormtrooper-bootcamps and all. As we all know, the empire pumped most of their resources into the groundtroops instead of giving other personel a good training, like the TIE-Fighter pilots...
 
gh0st said:
how do you know he didnt have lungs. from what i've heard, mace windu crushed his chest with the force and he had to be, well, recreated.

edit: i heard it here, apparantly. heh.
his chest is opened up and all he has is a shrivelled heart... with ignites?
 
One of the best parts was when R2 sprayed oil on those two battle droids

"Got a light?"
 
Prince of China said:
It was an awesome movie. I loved how Anakin lost his limbs, that part was really clever.

...and you knew that Obi-Wan was expecting Anikan to do something like that (remember Obi-Wan did pretty much the same thing to defeat Darth Maul :E ).
 
i liked it when r2 zapped that robot and it kicked him(?) over
 
I actually thought that the droid humour at the beginning was a little over the top. Too much personality was given to the machines that are essentially built for grunt work. A minor quibble though.
 
i didn't like the battle droids attitude and sarcasm
"`scuse me"
 
A True Canadian said:
I actually thought that the droid humour at the beginning was a little over the top. Too much personality was given to the machines that are essentially built for grunt work. A minor quibble though.
Ive always hated the battle droids. They were kind of funny at first in Episode I, but the Super Battle Droids at the beginning of III were way over the top.
 
CrazyHarij said:
Wow.. I simply loved the movie..

Everything about it was made in a much much better way than the previous prequels. I really like the characters and the feel of most of them, Obi-Wan particularly.

Some parts were very sad, the "Order 66" with several famous Jedis like Ki-Adi-Mundi and Plo Koon being brutally killed almost made me cry. :(

Loved Anakin's transformation, it really felt like he was consumed by Darth Vader, like possessed by the dark side.
Obi-Wan was an amazing character in that movie, IMO one of the best characters in any sci-fi/fantasty movie.
 
Foxtrot said:
Obi-Wan was an amazing character in that movie, IMO one of the best characters in any sci-fi/fantasty movie.

Mainly as the person playing him, Ewan McGregor, is a god.

Ah... Ewan McGregor... you can turn me from the darkside anyday.
 
Ritz said:
Mainly as the person playing him, Ewan McGregor, is a god.

Ah... Ewan McGregor... you can turn me from the darkside anyday.

/jedi mind trick Ewan McGregor is nothing compared to Dr. Freeman /jedi mind trick
 
Ritz said:
Mainly as the person playing him, Ewan McGregor, is a god.

Ah... Ewan McGregor... you can turn me from the darkside anyday.
*pokes Ritz with his light sabre* :naughty:
 
Do you think that Palpatine let himseelf be beaten by Windu to let Anakin save him? It seems odd that Windu could beat him but not Yoda...
 
The_Monkey said:
Do you think that Palpatine let himseelf be beaten by Windu to let Anakin save him? It seems odd that Windu could beat him but not Yoda...

To be fair, Palpatine was taking on 4 Jedi all on his own.
 
A True Canadian said:
To be fair, Palpatine was taking on 4 Jedi all on his own.


Yes, but he killed the 3 other Jedi straight away.

Mace Windu was one of the greatest jedi of all time with the light saber, but who knows...
 
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