Surly America isn't this mad!

[ríomhaire]

My sister was in the US recently (New York). One day she went into the subway and it was closed, why? Someone had seen a suspicious coke can and reported it as a bomb threat.:rolling:

 

[Axyon]

Perhaps a little overboard, yes, but you can hardly blame them when just a few months ago our underground was bombed.

 

[Lemonking]

lol imagine those robots the cops use 2 pick stuff......




a robot with a coke can I think thats funny

 

[Solaris]

Rofl. 6charizard

 

[Flyingdebris]

Well my friend Doruk once had the cops called on him by a fellow student who thought he looked suspicious. I think it was like a year or 2 ago.

Doruk is turkish, he has pasty white skin, speaks perfect english, wears t-shirt and jeans, and probably weighs only like 130 pounds.

In other words, the girl who called the cops was an idiot

 

[Adabiviak]

Truly, we are.

 

[JNightshade]

Yes, it really is. Hence, as soon as I graduate college, I intend to leave.

 

[Chrysalid]

Well. If you have heard news about chemical weapons and such things, and you see an abandoned Coke can pouring over and the liquid is like, green, is your first reaction to determine if it's really some lethal chemical or to run for your life and call 911?

 

[Bob_Marley]

I think that what they are trying to say is that the Americans might be a bit paranoid about terroist attacks. And whose to say that the coke can in question contained green coke? Anyway, I thought the objective of terrorism was to make people paraniod about everything so they cant do anything. So in a way isnt stuff like this kinda, sorta giving into terrorism?

 

[Adabiviak]

Technically, yes.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

My sister was in the US recently (New York). One day she went into the subway and it was closed, why? Someone had seen a suspicious coke can and reported it as a bomb threat.:rolling:

She came on that one day when that happened.

It's been in the news for weeks because of a terror threat they thought deemed very credible. Nothing came of it but seriously, don't think it's like that every day or even any often at all. It's not.

 

[The Mullinator]

I think that what they are trying to say is that the Americans might be a bit paranoid about terroist attacks. And whose to say that the coke can in question contained green coke? Anyway, I thought the objective of terrorism was to make people paraniod about everything so they cant do anything. So in a way isnt stuff like this kinda, sorta giving into terrorism?

Thats what is so beautiful about using terrorism from a purely strategic point of view. No matter what you win something, you get caught before you can actually commit terror then people know that there are others like you so they are forced to be nervous and cautious, you succeed and everyone becomes truly scared.

Its not "giving in" to terror when in reality it is impossible to escape. "Giving in" would indicate that you could have escaped but didn't.

 

[<RJMC>]

he if I go to the USA I will report a suspicios thing to make fun

 

[Ames]

The subway entrance I have always used was closed for repairs last time I saw it.

Needless to say, I added an extra layer of duct tape just in case.

 

[kirovman]

he if I go to the USA I will report a suspicios thing to make fun

ROFL!

You will be made an honourary US citizen if you do that.

 

[No Limit]

My sister was in the US recently (New York). One day she went into the subway and it was closed, why? Someone had seen a suspicious coke can and reported it as a bomb threat.:rolling:

Yeah, well, when Bush whores terror alerts for political gain what do you expect?

 

[Lemonking]

It wasnt Bush it was the NYC Major.... me thinks

 

[No Limit]

It wasnt Bush it was the NYC Major.... me thinks

A Republican mayor that just so happened to be up for reelection and got his information from unknown sources which turned out to be a complete lie. You are right, nothing fishy going on there.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

There are no terrorists. The pentagon knew about sep 11, and all this terrorist in ur backyard mumbo jumbo is just bullshit that the american dominant classes engineered to freak people out and make them easier to control.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

There are no terrorists. The pentagon knew about sep 11, and all this terrorist in ur backyard mumbo jumbo is just bullshit that the american dominant classes engineered to freak people out and make them easier to control.

lol!

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

Im serious! its not a joke.

Oh, and corporations rule the world. Another fact.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Im serious! its not a joke.

Oh, and corporations rule the world. Another fact.

Yeah man! The corporations!

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

I dont understand what you're laughing about.

Coporations, like GE electric and GM motors are richer that most nations. They are infact in the top ten highest GDP earners in the world. In fact over half of the highest GDP earners are corporations. They are systematically exploiting the poor all over the world and destroying the environment amoung other things in the psychotic pursuit of money. Look it up for chrissake.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I dont understand what you're laughing about.

Coporations, like GE electric and GM motors are richer that most nations. They are infact in the top ten highest GDP earners in the world. In fact over half of the highest GDP earners are corporations. They are systematically exploiting the poor all over the world and destroying the environment amoung other things in the psychotic pursuit of money. Look it up for chrissake.

There's a reason they're up there with the highest. There is no systematic exploitation 'plot' or such. Yes, it does happen, but there's no systematic abuse across the board or psychotic evil henchmen ruling the world as you'd like to imply.

In fact, many corporations set their environmental standards higher than the federal regulations, A: To be safe and have a cushion in case of regulatory change and B: Good PR and it's just good overall. I know for a fact Edison International, number one coal powered power producer in the southwest, practices that.

edit: Did you just spend your first semester at college?

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

Theres a good reason, why GE electric, has a higher GDP then most nations? This is good for what reason? I mean look, when nations have high GDP they get to distribute that income to the people, build them roads, spend the money on public services, etc.

What do corporations do with the money? 1 thing. Make more money. Because corporations are fundamentally based on making profit. If it was profitable for a corporation to to rape little kiddies, then that corporation would do it. Corporations don't have a consious or a sense of whats morally right or wrong. The only thing a corporation understands and does bloody well, is making money. That may be good because it provides us with vehicals and other such goods, or that might be bad, because people in tailand are willing to work 12 hours a day for a month with only one day break for 70$ in order to survive (and thats a genrous example by comparison).

How about, instead of corporations that make relatively small contributions to society, like providing us with 'good looking' shoes at ridiculous prices for example, we distributed this wealth to nations that need it. Eg all the third world nations in the world?

Oh yeh, I forgot, the only way corporations can keep making profit, is by keeping the poor poor, and the exploited exploited.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Theres a good reason, why GE electric, has a higher GDP then most nations? This is good for what reason? I mean look, when nations have high GDP they get to distribute that income to the people, build them roads, spend the money on public services, etc.

What do corporations do with the money? 1 thing. Make more money. Because corporations are fundamentally based on making profit. If it was profitable for a corporation to to rape little kiddies, then that corporation would do it. Corporations don't have a consious or a sense of whats morally right or wrong. The only thing a corporation understands and does bloody well, is making money. That may be good because it provides us with vehicals and other such goods, or that might be bad, because people in tailand are willing to work 12 hours a day for a month with only one day break for 70$ in order to survive (and thats a genrous example by comparison).

How about, instead of corporations that make relatively small contributions to society, like providing us with 'good looking' shoes at ridiculous prices for example, we distributed this wealth to nations that need it. Eg all the third world nations in the world?

Oh yeh, I forgot, the only way corporations can keep making profit, is by keeping the poor poor, and the exploited exploited.

Corporations are not self sustaining entities, they are run by people. People make the final decisions, and the interests of shareholders are not always at odds with the best interest of noin shareholders. You seem to have some "Robocopesque" picture of business in your head. While bad things do occur, you've blown it out of proportion and propose wealth redistribution.

Success does not make evil, and vice versa. I'd like to see some of 'third world abuses' committed by the evil General Electric which you keep citing.

Don't get your talking points from "The Corporation" DVD, while it brings up an issue that does take place, you're applying it too far and too wide.

For many people living in politically unfree third world nations, globalization is a godsend.

In the words of K. Quinnel:
"Third world dictators aren't likely to fix their economies so that poor people start earning living wages. More benevolent leaders in poor countries can't afford to do anything to improve the lives of their poor citizens. But if a corporation comes in, the wages it pays the workers it hires are certainly going to be higher than what those workers were going to get otherwise. Certainly, many corporations have not paid very good wages to these workers, even by local standards, but what they have paid is still an improvement. "

Noted economist Paul Krugman agrees:


"Now we know that the club isn't that exclusive, after all. South Korea and several smaller Asian economies have made a full transition to modernity. China is still a poor country, but it has made astonishing progress. And there are signs of an economic takeoff in at least parts of India. I'm not talking about arid economic statistics; what we've seen over the past generation is an enormous, unexpected improvement in the human condition.

How was this improvement achieved? Whenever I give talks about my latest book, someone asks whether I still believe in free trade. The answer is yes — not because I have any fond feelings about multinational corporations, but because every one of those development success stories was based on export-led growth. And that growth is possible only if rising economies can expand into new markets. Some critics of globalization seem to be nostalgic for the era before the big growth in third-world exports of manufactured goods. I'm not, because I remember the way that era really felt, our despair over the possibility of development."

There are downsides to corporate globalization most definately, but for you to come in and ignore the massive benefits is idiocy. Look from all sides and create a compromise. The system we've got now is the most stable, 'slowly but surely' chug a lug, developement wise for these nations, way we've got. It's not causing any catalysts or major world conflict and keeps things settled.

 

[Raziaar]

Im serious! its not a joke.

Oh, and corporations rule the world. Another fact.

People died in explosions worldwide by figments of their imiginations. Must be something in the drinking water.

 

[No Limit]

There's a reason they're up there with the highest. There is no systematic exploitation 'plot' or such.

No plot at all? So Cheney having his stock options from Halliburton rise 3600% after he handed them out no bid contracts worth billions of dollars has no plot involved in it at all and is 100% okay with you? Corporations getting billions of dollars handed to them because they contributed to the Bush/Cheney campaign is just good old politics, right? Cheney remaining on the Halliburton pay roll while the government allowed them to rip off the american tax payer for billions isn't a big deal?

Your political leaders are making billions off of people like you that vote for them; you need to figure this out before its too late. The proof is right there slapping you in the face, you just refuse to see it.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

You don't need facts. It's simple logic. With power comes responsibility. For example, If you give me all the moeny in the world, I have the responsibility of using that money responisbly and in a way that benefits all people.

Corporations are independent entities, with alot of power. Now, based on the fact that their whole reason for existance is to create more profit, we can say that corporations are not responsible institutions of power as they will not carefully use this power unless it involves creating more profits.

And unfortunately, making more money usually involves someone else loosing, especially in today's competitive world.

Corporations don't invest in developing nations for the benefit of those nations, they do it for themselves. They do it because they make profit out of those nations. They dont give a damn whether what they do effects others negatively or positevily as long as it makes them profit, and this is the fundamental flaw of corporations.

 

[Milkman]

My sister was in the US recently (New York). One day she went into the subway and it was closed, why? Someone had seen a suspicious coke can and reported it as a bomb threat.:rolling:

Well, we can't be too mad because not all of our cities have subways or suspicious canisters.

 

[The Mullinator]

And unfortunately, making more money usually involves someone else loosing, especially in today's competitive world.
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Making money actually usually doesn't involve someone losing money, at least not in the long run. Thats why the world economy grows rather than remain stagnant.

 

[ríomhaire]

I dont understand what you're laughing about.

Coporations, like GE electric and GM motors are richer that most nations. They are infact in the top ten highest GDP earners in the world. In fact over half of the highest GDP earners are corporations. They are systematically exploiting the poor all over the world and destroying the environment amoung other things in the psychotic pursuit of money. Look it up for chrissake.

A conpiracy theorist! On the internet!

 

[Kmack]

hmmm.... isnt this sorta the thing terrorists want to accomplish... threatening our way of life by instilling fears of terror attacks. now we shit ourselves and go into lockdown everytime someone leaves a backpack lying around. its probably the right response, but it plays into the idea that terrorists have succeeded in creating an atmosphere of fear and tension.

just gotta go about daily life and expect things like this to happen occasionaly, and count our blessings when it doesnt materialize. we cant overreact, but at the same time an underreaction can show potential weaknesses to real attacks, aand on the off chance the threat is real, we cant risk not being completely ready for it.

ahh the double edged sword that is anti-terror. frankly, i think we only have ourselves to blame (that is, if we voted for bush), as our foreign policy is in some ways responsible for increased attacks and therefore increased threats and false alarms, not the only reason, but its not helping that we are continuing to muck things up in a volatile region. though i do love oil....

 

[dream431ca]

America will forever be this way. After 9/11 America changed. Basically it's good that they investigate a suspecious thing. Any country would do that if they had a similar thing happen to them like 9/11.

 

[Fliko]

My bad...
I swear the coke can was dangerous!
Frenzy, they were terrorists, they may of been staged by the goverment, but they are terrorists.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

Making money actually usually doesn't involve someone losing money, at least not in the long run. Thats why the world economy grows rather than remain stagnant.

Even if we assume that economic growth is a good thing, (because ecconomic growth can also be considered as the growth of human greed because usually ecconomic growth is not sustainable) Foregin investment usually incurs debits on the nations being invested in. This means that the nation, must pay back these debits with interest. So, in allowing another nation to help development in their own nation by allowing them to invest in their nation, means that this nation will be loosing money to this other nation. If the nation had saved and developed themselves, they would not have to pay anybody back, and hence, accumilate wealth.

Debits are a way wealthy nations enslave poorer nations, even if it does lead to development or ecconomic growth.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

America will forever be this way. After 9/11 America changed. Basically it's good that they investigate a suspecious thing. Any country would do that if they had a similar thing happen to them like 9/11.

No they wouldnt. Especially considering the patriot act. Most countries would have the deceny to work in conjunction with other nations to fight against terrorism instead of using terrorism as a ploy to serve there own ecconomical interests in foreign territories and to scare the shit out of its own people in order to keep them controlled. The war on terror isnt a war against terrorists, it is a war against it's own people so they do not rise up against the dominate class (george bush, cheney and their corporate wall street cronies).

 

[Lemonking]

you suck btw :/



the world poor millions of dollsr in2 Africa etc...the people that live their are just 2 dumb 2 take care of them selfs,they pop out kids all the time even thoe they cant feed them and shit those countrys are unsalvageable imo

 

[Murray_H]

you suck btw :/



the world poor millions of dollsr in2 Africa etc...the people that live their are just 2 dumb 2 take dare of them selfs,they pop out kids all the time even thoe they cant feed them and shit those countrys are unsalvageable imo

 

[Lemonking]

wow nice discussing this with you.very good arguementing