SUV owner shoots couple trying to steal SUV, survivor charged with murder

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Authorities do not plan to file charges against a Florida orange grove owner who fatally shot a 21-year-old woman, saying he is protected under the state's controversial "no retreat" law.

But the woman's boyfriend faces second-degree murder charges in her death, because the woman was shot to death during an alleged felony -- the theft of an SUV.

Tony Curtis Phillips, 29, didn't fire a single shot. He didn't even know his girlfriend, Nikki McCormick, was dead until police showed him an online news story.
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that seems pretty ****ed up

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/30/florida.shooting.law/index.html

also lethal force for something that insurance would have replaced seems like overkill.

The Land Cruiser stopped directly in front of him, Jones said in the affidavit. He said he raised his gun and pointed it at the occupants, shouting "Stop," but the vehicle appeared to be moving directly toward him.

"Fearing for his life, he then fired what he thought to be six to eight rounds into the front windshield of the vehicle," the affidavit stated.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/30/florida.shooting.law/index.html
 
Because killing the driver is a great way to stop a vehicle that appears to be moving toward you.

But this country is truly ****ed up for allowing something like this to take place.
 
i'm not particually outraged by this.
 
This story confuses me so very much.
 
this doesnt seem right no matter how you look at it. Obviously the guy stealing the car deserves to be punished but to charge him with murder is ridiculous. It also sounds like the "victim" wanted nothing more than to open fire on the two in the first place. That whole "it looked like she had a gun" line is pure bullshit.
 
sounds like that's what he was told to say
 
Somebody does something illegal and they die.
 
that's not really the point of the thread. this is:

" Somebody does something illegal and they die. Accomplice charged with their murder"
 
This is confusing as shit.

So, the guy who owns the SUV killed the girlfriend... but the boyfriend who had no idea she was even dead until the authorities told him was charged with her murder even though he never even fired a single shot and the SUV owner wasn't charged with anything?
 
I told my boyfriend not to jack the car, but he wouldn't listen. :(
 
if the worst thing this guy does is steal a car can we really legitimize a charge of murder?

Wouldn't the girl have to be a captive of the alleged in order for this charge to make any sense?
 
Lucid said:
This is confusing as shit.

So, the guy who owns the SUV killed the girlfriend... but the boyfriend who had no idea she was even dead until the authorities told him was charged with her murder even though he never even fired a single shot and the SUV owner wasn't charged with anything?
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yes. exactly this. with the caveat that what the owner did is NOT illegal in his state. so long as he can prove his life was in jeopardy

"I thought she was reaching for a gun"
 
I thought these sort of stand your ground laws only allow you to match force for force, deadly force for deadly force.

And the guy wasn't using deadly force, so the guy who shot was at fault.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_retreat

Many states employ "stand your ground" laws that do not require an individual to retreat and allow one to match force for force, deadly force for deadly force.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine_in_the_United_States#Stand-your-ground
 
If the driver tried to run over the man though, then he'd have every right to defend himself with a gun. This isn't what happened though.

As far as weapons go:

car > handgun
 
These little side stories don't mean shit compared to the rest of the atrocities that are occurring right now.
 
Warped said:
These little side stories don't mean shit compared to the rest of the atrocities that are occurring right now.
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It doesn't make them any less relevant.

People bitching to others saying that their problems are insignificant compared to the more atrocious stuff going on in the world really piss me off. And because of their stance, I expect them to never bitch about anything, ever, in their entire life... because it will always pale in comparison to other stuff going on around them.
 
Tyguy said:
if the worst thing this guy does is steal a car can we really legitimize a charge of murder?

Wouldn't the girl have to be a captive of the alleged in order for this charge to make any sense?
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Maybe in your pansy-ass lily-livered communist commonwealth! Not down here in Florida!
 
Raziaar said:
I expect them to never bitch about anything, ever, in their entire life... because it will always pale in comparison to other stuff going on around them.
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I completely second this, with all due respect to Warped.
 
We are talking about thieves here right? They were stealing a car... so why should I care that they are dead? They obviously don't care about anyone but themselves. Shame he only got one of them.

Incidentally, I realise I'm going to get flamed to hell for this, but thats my point of view. If you commit a crime that benefits you at the cost of someone else, you are beneath me, and I judge you to be worthy only of death.
 
That's not the point. The car thief is made an accomplice in the murder of his girlfriend, because the car owner shot her. That is some ****ed up justice if you ask me.

Doesn't 'intention' count btw? The car thief probably never intended to get his girlfriend killed. Wouldn't manslaughter, if anything, be more appropriate?
 
Committing a crime warrents you getting shot.

Having your accomplice die whilst committing a crime doesn't warrent you getting charged for murder.



If anything, nobody here should be charged with anything more than attempted theft.
 
Link said:
We are talking about thieves here right? They were stealing a car... so why should I care that they are dead? They obviously don't care about anyone but themselves. Shame he only got one of them.

Incidentally, I realise I'm going to get flamed to hell for this, but thats my point of view. If you commit a crime that benefits you at the cost of someone else, you are beneath me, and I judge you to be worthy only of death.
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I stole a loaf of bread so I can eat! I am a piece of shit worthy only to lie beneath the boots of people above me and be trampled to death!

Obviously an unrealistic scenario, but that kind of black and white worldview is absolute bullshit.
 
Link said:
We are talking about thieves here right? They were stealing a car... so why should I care that they are dead? They obviously don't care about anyone but themselves. Shame he only got one of them.

Incidentally, I realise I'm going to get flamed to hell for this, but thats my point of view. If you commit a crime that benefits you at the cost of someone else, you are beneath me, and I judge you to be worthy only of death.
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DEAR SIR PERHAPS YOU HAVE HEARD OF SOMETHING CALLED 'THE RULE OF LAW'

IT IS REALLY QUITE GOOD I ASSURE YOU
 
Stop showing off your mod priveleges with your all caps posts! :(
 
Link said:
We are talking about thieves here right? They were stealing a car... so why should I care that they are dead? They obviously don't care about anyone but themselves. Shame he only got one of them.

Incidentally, I realise I'm going to get flamed to hell for this, but thats my point of view. If you commit a crime that benefits you at the cost of someone else, you are beneath me, and I judge you to be worthy only of death.
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Oh yeah, those thieves are monsters, certainly not human beings. Very easy way to detach yourself from them and to absolve yourself from treating them as human.

One thing all atrocities committed by people against other people have in common: the 'other' is always classified as less than human, deserving whatever they get, for the good of the 'real' people.

And yeah, I just did equate you to Hitler.
 
PvtRyan said:
Oh yeah, those thieves are monsters, certainly not human beings. Very easy way to detach yourself from them and to absolve yourself from treating them as human.
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I'm sorry thieves have problems but they need to grow up, deal with them, and leave other people out of their lives. There's a cost/benefit problem with theft, and a few years ago my friend had his headunit ripped from his '90 jetta GLi. They busted out his passenger side window and ripped his dash apart to remove it.

His car is more than 15yrs old which means VW doesn't supply parts for it. So he spent a couple of months searching the internet and calling junk yards trying to find this piece of glass, we had to drive 3 hours, one way, to a junk yard to buy it for $50. And that was the easy part....we then had to remove his door panel, replace the glass, and make a new humidity shield because the OEM ones were super glued in. Which meant we had to spend more money at home depot and more time cutting the shape out.

The dash isn't made anymore either and he ended up buying one for $200 off some guy in georgia, and we spent another day swapping that in. So my friend had to pay $300 and waste 2 weekends of his life all so some punk could get $50 for more crack?

**** him, the world would be a better place without him and his complete disregard for the consequences of the illegal actions he willing chose to commit.
 
Thievery is a terrible thing and anybody should be furiously angry when it happens... and the thieves should be punished.

But death is NOT a proper punishment for thievery.

Material possessions over humanity is a bad thing too.
 
Link said:
We are talking about thieves here right? They were stealing a car... so why should I care that they are dead? They obviously don't care about anyone but themselves. Shame he only got one of them.

Incidentally, I realise I'm going to get flamed to hell for this, but thats my point of view. If you commit a crime that benefits you at the cost of someone else, you are beneath me, and I judge you to be worthy only of death.
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you stupid piece of shit
 
Tyguy said:
this doesnt seem right no matter how you look at it. Obviously the guy stealing the car deserves to be punished but to charge him with murder is ridiculous. It also sounds like the "victim" wanted nothing more than to open fire on the two in the first place. That whole "it looked like she had a gun" line is pure bullshit.
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She's coming right for us!!!
 
When you violate someone else's property or person, you take into consideration that you're risking your life and your rights in the process. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, but that fear should definitely be there.

Was the guy wrong to fire at them? Hard to say, but if he truly feared for his life then absolutely he was right.

But the point is that you can't complain about being shot when you were doing something like this because that's the risk you take for stealing someone's shit. I wouldn't kill someone just for stealing my car, but by the same token I wouldn't hesitate for a second if I thought my life was in the slightest bit of danger.

Also, he shouldn't have been charged for murder, that's ridiculous ... unless he coerced her into it, in which case he is somewhat at fault for her death.
 
Link said:
We are talking about thieves here right? They were stealing a car... so why should I care that they are dead? They obviously don't care about anyone but themselves. Shame he only got one of them.

Incidentally, I realise I'm going to get flamed to hell for this, but thats my point of view. If you commit a crime that benefits you at the cost of someone else, you are beneath me, and I judge you to be worthy only of death.
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HAve you ever illegally downloaded a song off the internet? If the answer is yes why the hell should I care if the FBI raids your house and accidentally shoots off 6 rounds in to your body?
 
Well to be fair, that's not stealing. It's making a copy. heh
 
No Limit said:
HAve you ever illegally downloaded a song off the internet? If the answer is yes why the hell should I care if the FBI raids your house and accidentally shoots off 6 rounds in to your body?
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I made an incomplete stop at a stop sign this morning. obviously I'm beneath Link and deserve death



smwScott said:
When you violate someone else's property or person, you take into consideration that you're risking your life and your rights in the process.
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life worth less than inanimate objects? only in america ...no really, canadian law strictly fobids killing someone over property
 
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