Sweden to be the worlds first oil free economy

I'm curious to see if that isn't just blustering, but its a darn good idea. Someone's got to take the lead in creating a large market for alternative energy (without a market theres no drive for innovation or the creation of infrastructure), and no ones better suited to it than a relatively small country with a good infrastructure and deep pockets.
 
they're going to beat Iceland by about 30 years ..kudos Sweden ..now if only north america would follow suit ...not going to happen in my lifetime
 
Well its simple, if any country doesnt actively change significantly before oil hits peak production then there wont be enough time, prices will continue to rise to a point where its negatively affecting that economy, and it would totally threaten that countries ability to support itself in anyway.

Its quite simple, cultures that dont change die out, but its my incliniation some countries will leave it to the last minute, when its far too late.

The reason why people dont want to switch quickly is mainly because it would undermine the power holders and rich status quo, So basically its the few who are holding back for their own interest's rather than the more important overall interests of the global community. Conservation of personal power is simply not allowing this to happen quicker in other countries, but if it was put to a real democratic vote then it would most likely go in favour of the people, rather than the elitest position's, and transition may well occur faster.
 
CptStern said:
they're going to beat Iceland by about 30 years ..kudos Sweden
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Considering the advantage Iceland has, that's quite impressive. I mean, if a country just has to put some pipes in the ground to get a practically unlimited supply of scalding water with which they can generate electricity... you'd think they would be able to switch to hydrogen/electric cars the quickest. Instead, they plan on doing it over 50 years.
 
I haven't heard a word about it on the news here. Wierd... Anyway, I think it's great to hear, but it won't make much differance to the world climate whether a small country like Sweden stops using oil or not.
 
The Monkey said:
I haven't heard a word about it on the news here. Wierd... Anyway, I think it's great to hear, but it won't make much differance to the world climate whether a small country like Sweden stops using oil or not.
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The effects people will be paying attention to won't be on the environment but rather the effects on the Swedish economy. This will be viewed as an example to follow, something that shows it can in fact be done.

It won't surprise me if in the long term Sweden is placed in a much better economic position due to it's lack of need for oil. Mind you it still won't be oil free, fuel is not the only use for oil and as long as Sweden uses plastics they will still have a reliance on it.
 
The Mullinator said:
The effects people will be paying attention to won't be on the environment but rather the effects on the Swedish economy. This will be viewed as an example to follow, something that shows it can in fact be done.

It won't surprise me if in the long term Sweden is placed in a much better economic position due to it's lack of need for oil. Mind you it still won't be oil free, fuel is not the only use for oil and as long as Sweden uses plastics they will still have a reliance on it.
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plastics, can be produces in a lot of ways!
biofuel, carbon, charchoal,...
 
OCybrManO said:
Considering the advantage Iceland has, that's quite impressive. I mean, if a country just has to put some pipes in the ground to get a practically unlimited supply of scalding water with which they can generate electricity... you'd think they would be able to switch to hydrogen/electric cars the quickest. Instead, they plan on doing it over 50 years.
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when I first read this thread I thought to myself "hey I remember a documentary on Iceland going green from a few years ago, surely they're oil free now" ..then I read 50 years I was like wtf? how hard could it be with a population of less than 300,000?
 
Politicians with prescience? Who'd have thunk it. :rolling:
 
Intressting, i moved from Sweden about a year ago (lived there all my life) and taxes are way high so i cant understand how this is going to make life easier for the economy. Othervise i think its great!
 
CptStern said:
when I first read this thread I thought to myself "hey I remember a documentary on Iceland going green from a few years ago, surely they're oil free now" ..then I read 50 years I was like wtf? how hard could it be with a population of less than 300,000?
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You do know that one of the most popular sports in Iceland is driving nitro fuelled cars up cliff right (and now, lakes as well)?

It may not be that they cant go oil free, it's that they dont want to just yet.
 
Sweden does alot of things better then other Countrys....
like their education system is much better then the one in Germany or here in the US.
 
I bloody love the way Sweden does things.

When I win the lottery im going to build one of my houses there.
 
Cool. No Oil?? Hey USA, better listen up quick. Even George Bush said in his state of the union address "America is addictied to oil". So I would listen to the swedish to how they are living without oil...so should every country.
 
dream431ca said:
Cool. No Oil?? Hey USA, better listen up quick. Even George Bush said in his state of the union address "America is addictied to oil". So I would listen to the swedish to how they are living without oil...so should every country.
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Its possible that Sweden and Iceland could help to design a good infrastructure for distribution that other countries could adopt.
 
Direwolf said:
Its possible that Sweden and Iceland could help to design a good infrastructure for distribution that other countries could adopt.
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I totally agree.
 
Cool, although it's in no way oil free, that's kinda misleading but still I'm not belittling the plan just on semantics it's still great.

If Europe follows suit in similar fashions Russia will be in a bad spot.
 
Ikea stores will have biofuel stations? ;)

IIRC, most, if not all, of Iceland's electricity is already generated geothermally. I guess if they go electric on their cars, it'd significantly cut their need for oil.

WRT the US: Initially they only need to cut to the level that Canada can supply to free them of their reliance on Middle East oil. With their vast amounts of farmland, I doubt biofuel production to fill domestic requirements will be much trouble.
 
Do you want to know what I say? Talk is cheap.

I'll believe it when/if I see it in 15 years.
 
I can't start my day without a tall, frothy glass of ice cold oil. Lubricates my throat up nicely for the cereal that is soon to follow.
 
Raziaar said:
I can't start my day without a tall, frothy glass of ice cold oil. Lubricates my throat up nicely for the cereal that is soon to follow.
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Don't forget the filter. :cool:
 
50 years from now.. I am gonna whip out my 97' accord and bust out that ol' 2 gallon of gasoline that's worth $1000, drive around the community for a bit and the onlookers will be in awe.
 
Actually, they were all totally oil-dependent but the oil combines surpressed the info so we'd all think we were privelleged to be able to use their oil.
 
psyno said:
I think there may be precedent.

;)
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There is precedent, but I think a recent example like Brazil would be more relevant. Since the late 70's they subsidized ethanol production and slapped a heavy tax on gas. Thirty years later, everyone use ethanol and they only use oil for plastics and stuff. Of course, that wouldn't gel with the bias that Eurpoeans are the most prescient and enightened folk in the world.
 
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