Sweet Jesus Lord Almighty, I suck at math.

[Krynn72]

Ok, you know how in tabletop war games they usually use six sided dice to determine the result right? I can't ****ing remember how to calculate the odds for this shit. It should be so simple.

So using this theme, lets say you need to roll a 3+ to hit an enemy team. Thats easy enough to calculate the odds of, but then lets say you need to roll again after successfully hitting, in order to destroy the enemy team, and on this second roll you need to get 5+. So ultimately, what are the odds of successfully destroying the enemy team?

Now lets say the exact same scenario plays out, only this time, you get to re-roll the second roll. What is it then?

God damn I can't believe I don't remember how to do this.



EDIT: Okay, never mind... as soon as I read my own post I remembered how to do it. So uh, yeah. This thread never happened. Move along.

 

[Acepilotf14]

Also, be sure to compensate for fate. The closer the probability is to the middle (40-60% chances) will more than likely only work about 5% of the time. Likewise, if there is a negative effect that works only 10% of the time, remember it'll happen around 80% of the time in reality.

In conclusion, things that help you will happen less and things that hurt you will happen more, even if the objective probability is the opposite

 

[Shakermaker]

I am quite sure it's 2/3 * 1/3 for the first scenario. The second though .... 2/3 * 2/3 * 1/3?

 

[ríomhaire]

Remember to change out your dice once you've used up their luck to let them recharge!

 

[Krynn72]

Remember to change out your dice once you've used up their luck to let them recharge!

It annoys me how superstitious people are about dice. I feel like its just a joke usually, but sometimes I think people actually believe in "lucky" dice and other superstitious shit. Like, when I see someone open their dice tin and all the dice are facing with the 6 up because they say jokingly that it helps, but its sometimes hard to believe that they're just joking about it. I just don't get superstition at all.

Which isn't to say that people's "lucky dice" aren't in fact giving them better than the odds would suggest, because that happens a lot since dice aren't usually well balanced after being polished, unless they're casino dice.

 

[Viperidae]

inb4 isn't funny, don't like the art, whywebcomics, so 5 years ago, viperyousuck

 

[Acepilotf14]

It annoys me how superstitious people are about dice. I feel like its just a joke usually, but sometimes I think people actually believe in "lucky" dice and other superstitious shit. Like, when I see someone open their dice tin and all the dice are facing with the 6 up because they say jokingly that it helps, but its sometimes hard to believe that they're just joking about it. I just don't get superstition at all.

Which isn't to say that people's "lucky dice" aren't in fact giving them better than the odds would suggest, because that happens a lot since dice aren't usually well balanced after being polished, unless they're casino dice.

You don't play enough pen and paper games is all. Those who have know there is no joking when it comes to dice; the dice are your friend and your enemy. Fate, your god. In every single little cube is a demon waiting to rip apart your wizard with a failed concentration roll.

And in Warhammer, which it sounded like your OP post was alluding to, just waiting for your opponent to rend your land raider apart with genestealer claws.

 

[15357]

And here was me, thinking that this was going to be a math thread, with all those arcane symbols and whatnot.

But tabletop is a fine subject too.

I'd love to get into them, but time constraints as well as a lack of viable players force me to simply paint models with excruciating detail to pass the time. No matter, I still find painting eyeballs on guardsmen a fun task.

 

[Vegeta897]

And in Warhammer, which it sounded like your OP post was alluding to

>Krynn playing a tabletop game that isn't ww2 themed

Hahaha!

 

[morgs]

I'd love to get into them, but time constraints as well as a lack of viable players force me to simply paint models with excruciating detail to pass the time. No matter, I still find painting eyeballs on guardsmen a fun task.

When I used to collect Warhammer I never actually played with it bar a couple of times with friends, but I got most of my enjoyment out of just painting and assembling the units.

 

[Krynn72]

You don't play enough pen and paper games is all. Those who have know there is no joking when it comes to dice; the dice are your friend and your enemy. Fate, your god. In every single little cube is a demon waiting to rip apart your wizard with a failed concentration roll.

And in Warhammer, which it sounded like your OP post was alluding to, just waiting for your opponent to rend your land raider apart with genestealer claws.

First off, I do play enough P&P games. More than enough, many might say. None of them have Wizards though. As for me playing 40k... Vegeta said it best.

And here was me, thinking that this was going to be a math thread, with all those arcane symbols and whatnot.

But tabletop is a fine subject too.

I'd love to get into them, but time constraints as well as a lack of viable players force me to simply paint models with excruciating detail to pass the time. No matter, I still find painting eyeballs on guardsmen a fun task.

When I used to collect Warhammer I never actually played with it bar a couple of times with friends, but I got most of my enjoyment out of just painting and assembling the units.

I didn't play seriously until I just randomly popped into a store I found in a semi-nearby mall. The store owner told me they were starting an escalation league for Flames of War, and told me to drop by that Wednesday. I've been back almost every Wednesday since. Theres about 12 people that go there weekly to play it. Its awesome. That said, the only other place that has a decent number of players is like an hour and a half away.

Also, be glad you can't play 40k. Power-gaming out the ass with bullshit hero units making up the entire army, no flavor to it whatsoever anymore.

 

[Viperidae]

Also, be glad you can't play 40k. Power-gaming out the ass with bullshit hero units making up the entire army, no flavor to it whatsoever anymore.

Isn't that what tabletop gaming is all about?

 

[Krynn72]

For power-gamers it is.

 

[Acepilotf14]

You're thinking of Fantasy. 40k's hero units are pretty boring. And most you can only take in high point armies/will get one-shot if you wasted too many points on them and they become an obvious basilisk target

 

[Krynn72]

You're thinking of Fantasy. 40k's hero units are pretty boring. And most you can only take in high point armies/will get one-shot if you wasted too many points on them and they become an obvious basilisk target

Eh, maybe, I've been out of that loop for awhile now, but I hear its the same thing for 40k. Maybe not necessarily with the hero units, but 'uber' units that just make the game obnoxious to play. I've heard the Apocalypse expansion just ruined everything left that was good about it. So maybe its not that bad, I wouldn't know because I havent played since version 3. Still no interest in getting back into it anyways, because I'm sick of that kind of sci-fi theme.

 

[15357]

So, do you play flames of war, then?

It's definitely something I'm interested in, but too bad only 1 store in the entire country of 50+ million people ever sells it. That goes for Warhammer too.

Anyway, I'm more of the modeling type. I assemble my little models of main battle tanks and air superiority fighters and paint them. I'm not really interested in getting into tabletop, although that may change if I can convince a few of my friends that WoW and Starcraft is not the only viable way to have fun.

 

[Krynn72]

So, do you play flames of war, then?

Yep. If you can convince people to play, its wicked fun. Just a couple weeks ago we played a Total War game. We had three tables put together, with about 6,000 points on each side I think (making it a 12,000 point game D: ). I snapped a few pics of it with my phone and wrote a sort of battle report for it.




On the left were the allies. Starting from closest to furthest, we had two British Armoured Regiments (closest one is mine), then some polish dismounted cavalry, two British Rifle companies, and a French Recon company. On the right, which I didn't get a pic of, we face two medium panzer divisions, two Shutzen companies and I believe a Light Pionier company.

In the first two turns their 88s destroyed two of my platoons, each with a single volley at long range. We tried dropping smoke on them but failed to range in, and they unpinned immediately after some normal artillery fire. The adjacent armoured regiment also took a beating from concentrated Panzer III fire. Eventually we managed to silence the 88s with consistent smoke bombardments, but the damage was already done. Every single dark colored tank you see there ended up destroyed. I eventually just consolidated and put myself in a position to defend the flank, without my supporting armoured regiment, the two medium panzer companies across from me had me severely outgunned.

On the other side of the table things were quite different. The two rifle companies had routed both a shutzen company and the pioniers, leaving that side of the table completely uncontested. This was aided by a single french recon platoon that managed to sneak behind the enemy lines and tie up some panzer support and knock back a shutzen platoon, giving room for a Polish breakthrough platoon to come in and continue mingling in the center of the enemy lines. Eventually both platoons were destroyed, but they tied up many resources that were supposed to be used in support of the pioniers and shutzen.

Ultimately the allies won. The polish infantry got control of all the buildings in the center and kept the shutzen from counter attacking by pinning them every turn. With the objective on the far table completely in our control, and the center objective fairly secure, we had accumulated a several point lead over the 8 or so turns we got through. If the two Panzer companies decided to try and break through my armoured regiment, I would have just collapsed and then the panzers would be in out backfield and that would have changed the whole game. Thankfully they decided to move one panzer company to attack the poles directly and have the other consolidate on an objective that I had no chance in hell of taking. If they pressed the attack rather than being do defensive they could have changed the game completely.

 

[morgs]

Looks like quite a few people get to play at a time? that's pretty cool.

 

[Stylo]

I also suck massively at maths.

English is my forté. I am a word man.