Terminator Series a Paradox

[bigpapa400lb]

Who thinks if Kyle Reese(John Connor's Dad) never came, that the Terminator would have prevented Judgement day from happening by killing Sarah Connor.

 

[staticprimer]

Time travel creating paradoxes? Inconceivable!

 

[Acepilotf14]

I don't think you know what that means.

 

[staticprimer]

I don't think I know what you mean.

 

[skull24]

Kyle Reese was sent by John Connor to bang Sarah Connor and to make his life possible. But why doesn't Skynet kill Kyle Reese as a child or baby to prevent John Connor to come in to life? My guess is Kyle Reese os someone in his family works on the early stages that led up to Skynet's birth or Skynet really hates John Connor.

 

[Absinthe]

Judgment Day would take place any way. There would just be no John Connor to save us.

In the end, might as well ask why the they didn't kill his Sarah as a baby, or Sarah's mother, or her grandmother.

inb4plausibleexplanation

 

[TwwIX]

Not a paradox if you put some thought into it. The Terminator's different timelines maybe an excuse to expand the franchise into different medias but it also makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Anyway,here is my theory of the original timeline. John Connor did not exist. Kyle Reese, however, did. The machines won in the original timeline. Kyle Reese manages to escape from the machines into the past. Let's say,he was picked out of several decorated soldiers to travel to the past and undo the creation of Skynet. Anywho, Kyle Reese ends up meeting Sarah Connor and they end up having a child. John Connor. He tries to prepare the world for Judgement Day. He trains his wife as well as his son. Skynet has no knowledge of any of this. Now, here comes the best part. Kyle Reese dies before Judgement Day but lives long enough to see his son grow into a combat ready teenager. Thanks to his father's knowledge and skills, John becomes one of the leaders of the resistance. His strategy and tactics are proven to be very effective against the machines. The resistance is winning the war. Skynet, in their last effort, send back a lone Terminator to kill John Connor's mother. This has no affect on the current timeline though. John Connor,however, cannot imagine his mother being killed nor humanity being enslaved by the machines, no matter the timeline. Thus, he sends back Kyle Reese to the past. You know, to bang his mom etc. etc. You've seen the movies.

 

[Darkside55]

Except that Kyle Reese served under John Connor after Judgement Day. He was freed by John Connor and became John Connor's friend in the original timeline.

 

[TwwIX]

Except that Kyle Reese served under John Connor after Judgement Day. He was freed by John Connor and became John Connor's friend in the original timeline.

Hence the paradox thus my theory. Who fathered the original John Connor then,get it?
I doubt you do.

 

[nurizeko]

Its shit like this that makes you realize time travel is impossible because it would rip the universe a new arsehole.


Lets just say its a badly made series about time travel, but the time travel is just a "convenience" and best just to enjoy the movies and what have you for their cheap hollywood entertainment value.

 

[Darkside55]

Hence the paradox thus my theory. Who fathered the original John Connor then,get it?
I doubt you do.

There's no way to explain it. It's one of those self-fulfilling time travel things. So Kyle Reese still fathered the "original" John Connor. And it was that same John Connor that sent back his father to sire him. There's no other timeline where John Connor didn't exist. He always exists because Kyle Reese goes back to the past in every timeline, see?

Movie logic.

Its shit like this that makes you realize time travel is impossible because it would rip the universe a new arsehole.

It's not impossible. Just improbable. It'd just end up creating divergent timestreams.

 

[Eejit]

There's no way to explain it. It's one of those self-fulfilling time travel things. So Kyle Reese still fathered the "original" John Connor. And it was that same John Connor that sent back his father to sire him. There's no other timeline where John Connor didn't exist. He always exists because Kyle Reese goes back to the past in every timeline, see?

Bingo.


Also Skynet only targets Sarah Connor because she's the only relation of John's it knows the identity of. If it knew Reese was John's dad it'd target him too.

 

[Tagaziel]

What fails is the human perception of time as a one-way highway.

 

[theotherguy]

It's not impossible. Just improbable. It'd just end up creating divergent timestreams.

Recently, euclidean quantum gravity theorists began simulating the formation of the universe within euclidean quantum gravity theory, which holds that the universe is made of quanta, or distinct points in space and time.

In order to travel back in time, you would need to find or create a wormhole linking a quanta of the present with one in the past.

Their simulations found that backwards time travel would be impossible, because when wormholes were added into their quantum gravity simulations, the entire simulated universe crumpled into a chaotic mess that does not hold with our current observations of the universe as it is today.

This is because wormholes disturb the principle of causality, that events in the past cause events in the future. Causality basically gives a "direction" to time, and ensures that the four dimensional shape of the universe is relatively uniform. Putting wormholes into the simulations caused "loops" in time (or paradoxes) which utterly destroyed the structure of the universe.

However, this is only true if quantum gravity theory is true, and if their simulations were accurate enough to account for the effect.


http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-self-organizing-quantum-universe