Terry Schiavo's Autopsy Results.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4096256.stm

The report also said her brain was only half its normal size at her death.

She was incapable of surviving without her feeding tube, Mr Throgmartin said, adding that she was blind and incapable of thinking, feeling or interacting with her environment.

"This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons," he said.
 
Yes, It helps decide whether it was right to kill her or not.
 
solaris152000 said:
Yes, It helps decide whether it was right to kill her or not.
well, she's dead no matter what, guess maybe it helps her parents, though this is certainly not the news they were looking for
 
The report also said her brain was only half its normal size at her death.

She was incapable of surviving without her feeding tube, Mr Throgmartin said, adding that she was blind and incapable of thinking, feeling or interacting with her environment.

"This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons," he said.
This proves her parents are lying sacks of shit that were out to destroy Michael Schiavo. Obviously the balloon video they released was taken way out of context and we know damn well everyone that said she could respond to them is a lying sack of shit.

I hate to be so pissed and so frank about this but these people took her husbands name and dragged it in the mud in front of the national media lying their asses off while he remained polite the whole time. I have no sympathy for them.
 
A True Canadian said:
How do you mean?
from everything i could gather it seemed like they wanted her husband to be the bad guy, someone to blame, hoping there was some way they could've brought her back
but now we know she wasn;t coming back
 
Icarusintel said:
from everything i could gather it seemed like they wanted her husband to be the bad guy, someone to blame, hoping there was some way they could've brought her back
but now we know she wasn;t coming back
They went as far as saying her husband was trying to kill her with drugs and abused her. It is absolutely sick.
 
I dont know, the fact that he refused to allow her to have treatment, kind off swayed me to the parents side.
 
Icarusintel said:
from everything i could gather it seemed like they wanted her husband to be the bad guy, someone to blame, hoping there was some way they could've brought her back
but now we know she wasn;t coming back

No Limit said:
They went as far as saying her husband was trying to kill her with drugs and abused her. It is absolutely sick.

Yikes.

That's really unfortunate.

solaris152000 said:
I dont know, the fact that he refused to allow her to have treatment, kind off swayed me to the parents side.

That's one of the reasons why I tried to avoid this whole thing, I didn't know what to believe.
 
solaris152000 said:
I dont know, the fact that he refused to allow her to have treatment, kind off swayed me to the parents side.
What treatment? There was no way to treat what she had.

All the qualified doctors were saying this at the time. The only ones that disagreed happened to be right wing crack pots. They continually contradicted science and themselves. If you honesly didn't know what to believe you need to look in to things a little deeper next time around.

This isn't anything personal against you but as I pointed out, the case that she could be cured was based 100% on lies.
 
No Limit said:
What treatment? There was no way to treat what she had.

All the qualified doctors were saying this at the time. The only ones that disagreed happened to be right wing crack pots. They continually contradicted science and themselves. If you honesly didn't know what to believe you need to look in to things a little deeper next time around.
until stem cell research is broadened (one of the only issues I don;t support the republicans on) then there will never be a cure for anything like that, i mean, sure, they could've hoped having her on life support for longer would've let a miracle happen or something, but i'm pretty pessimistic about the whole miracle thing, so, she was done after she went into a vegetative state

anyway, i agree with you on this no limit
 
Icarusintel said:
until stem cell research is broadened (one of the only issues I don;t support the republicans on) then there will never be a cure for anything like that, i mean, sure, they could've hoped having her on life support for longer would've let a miracle happen or something, but i'm pretty pessimistic about the whole miracle thing, so, she was done after she went into a vegetative state
There is no way to cure what she had; half of her brain was missing. Saying the parents wanted her on life support for longer doesn't excuse the fact they did everything they could to destroy Michael Schiavo. What they did was absolutely disgusting.
 
No Limit said:
There is no way to cure what she had; half of her brain was missing. Saying the parents wanted her on life support for longer doesn't excuse the fact they did everything they could to destroy Michael Schiavo. What they did was absolutely disgusting.
there is CURRENTLY no way to cure what she had, but over time stem cell research, if its allowed more, could be used to save people who have the same condition, though they'll never be the same person again

people identified more with the parents, they looked like the good guys, which helped them make her husband look even more like the bad guy, which was wrong
 
It's funny though how the republicans wanted to keep her alive and cure her, but are agianst stemcell research.
 
Grey Fox said:
It's funny though how the republicans wanted to keep her alive and cure her, but are agianst stemcell research.
yeah, i mean, i'm a republican, but stem cell research is a must... especially if i want super human strength
 
She had massive irreversibly brain damage and was blind. No evidence she was strangled or abused.

The husband was right on all accounts.

You want to know why it matters. Because everyone gave the husband sooooo much shit. In particular those god fairing right wingers. I hope they come out and apologise to him.
 
MjM said:
She had massive irreversibly brain damage and was blind. No evidence she was strangled or abused.

The husband was right on all accounts.

You want to know why it matters. Because everyone gave the husband sooooo much shit. In particular those god fairing right wingers. I hope they come out and apologise to him.
They wont. They are already spinning this to say the autopsy wasn't fair and there should be another one. Its amazing what lenghts these assholes will go to.
 
Icarusintel said:
there is CURRENTLY no way to cure what she had, but over time stem cell research, if its allowed more, could be used to save people who have the same condition, though they'll never be the same person again

You can say that again, because the idea of "curing" HER is just isn't viable. What makes a person, what gives them a personality and memories and conscious awareness: those parts of her brain were simply gone. No amount of stem cell therapy, even if it would grow a new brain in her head, could change that. At best what you could achieve would be not a healing of HER, but rather something akin to a brain transplant: putting a whole new brain in her head.

Of course, the right wing loudmouths can never admit they are wrong about anything, facts and decency be damned.
 
Honestly, who did not see this coming? Of course, I'm betting that this will get little (if any) airtime. This ensures that Mr. Schiavo can still be remembered largely as a demon and DeLay can continue railing against the out-of-control judiciary.
 
No Limit said:
This proves her parents are lying sacks of shit that were out to destroy Michael Schiavo. Obviously the balloon video they released was taken way out of context and we know damn well everyone that said she could respond to them is a lying sack of shit.

I hate to be so pissed and so frank about this but these people took her husbands name and dragged it in the mud in front of the national media lying their asses off while he remained polite the whole time. I have no sympathy for them.


dude it was their daughter...I would like seing you giving up on someone you
love. :(
 
Lemonking said:
dude it was their daughter...I would like seing you giving up on someone you
love. :(

There was nobody to give up on. Terri was dead already. And even if she wasn't, that doesn't change the fact that keeping her alive (in the most base biological terms) was against her wishes. That's not something you do to a loved one, regardless of your emotion-spurred irrationality.
 
Lemonking said:
dude it was their daughter...I would like seing you giving up on someone you
love. :(
Sorry, that doesn't excuse the fact they dragged Michael's good name through the mud and turned their personal problems in to a media circus; something I'm sure their daughter wouldn't have wanted. There is no excuse for what they did.
 
No Limit said:
This proves her parents are lying sacks of shit that were out to destroy Michael Schiavo.
Thats just ridiculous. The way you've phrased that sentence implies that the parents used their braindead daughter as a means of destroying the life of her husband. What a load of crap.
 
Lemonking said:
dude it was their daughter...I would like seing you giving up on someone you love. :(
I wouldn't doubt that they loved her, but they needed to let go. If you became permanently brain-damaged, would you want your family to keep you artifically alive in a hospital bed for years? I know you wouldn't, and I'm sure nearly everyone feels the same way. Everything surrounding the Terri Shiavo fiasco was political bullshit, which makes it even sadder.
 
Just when you think everyone gets over an oversensationalized story... ffs...
 
Grey Fox said:
It's funny though how the republicans wanted to keep her alive and cure her, but are agianst stemcell research.

For the love of god, guys, stop with your stupid, republican blanket statements. Oh yeah... all republicans want this or this. Bullshit.

We all differ in our opinions on the matter. Like me. I thought she should be allowed to die. So stop with your bullshit already, seriously.

Especially you No Limit... every thread I see, you're just sitting there saying how stupid and evil republicans are. Even the normal, average citizen... you spit on just because they're republican.
 
Raziaar said:
For the love of god, guys, stop with your stupid, republican blanket statements. Oh yeah... all republicans want this or this. Bullshit.

We all differ in our opinions on the matter. Like me. I thought she should be allowed to die. So stop with your bullshit already, seriously.

Especially you No Limit... every thread I see, you're just sitting there saying how stupid and evil republicans are. Even the normal, average citizen... you spit on just because they're republican.

Right but from what I remember, the only people in the government that wanted to keep her alive were Republicans that are also against stem cell research.

So, the point still stands, even if it was a blanket statement.
 
Raziaar said:
For the love of god, guys, stop with your stupid, republican blanket statements. Oh yeah... all republicans want this or this. Bullshit.

A thought... but it's possible those statements are directed at "the republicans" as in the party as an entity and not every single individual republican voter.

I do seem to recall a certain party going so far as to call a special session of congress and even managing to drag Bush off one of his extensive vacations to take certain much overdramaticized steps about this issue after all.
 
It's over and done with.

No Limit said:
This proves her parents are lying sacks of shit that were out to destroy Michael Schiavo.
[SARCASM]Yeah, your totally right! They didn't give a shit about Terry, they just wanted to destroy Mike. I mean, who cares about there own daughter now a days anyway.[/SARCASM]

Really, guys, it's over and done with. She's dead. Some would argue she's been dead for years. I personally don't know. I'm not going to pretend I know either. Was there a chance she could of recovered? Probally not. Most people who recover from such trauma are younger.

Her parents cared for her. They're love blinded them to most of the facts. This is natural.

Mike was sick of waiting for a recovery that would probally never happen. He wanted out. This is also natural.

Let's get on with our lives. :smoking:
 
gcomeau said:
A thought... but it's possible those statements are directed at "the republicans" as in the party as an entity and not every single individual republican voter.

I do seem to recall a certain party going so far as to call a special session of congress and even managing to drag Bush off one of his extensive vacations to take certain much overdramaticized steps about this issue after all.

Well, thats fine... call the politicians those things, but certainly not 'republicans' I'm very much different than the next. And with No Limit well... he thinks we're all trash. Its what can be easily formulated with all his anti-republcican posts not directed at the politics, but at the people themselves.
 
GiaOmerta said:
Was there a chance she could of recovered? Probally not. Most people who recover from such trauma are younger.

You don't recover from losing half of your brain.
 
Absinthe said:
You don't recover from losing half of your brain.

While I was for letting Terri die, I will say this. Tell it to the girl on ripley's who lost half her brain and still functions like a normal kid.

You CAN recover from losing half of your brain. It just depends which parts, and what kind of damage, really. But still, people have lived with half a brain, much like they did before they lost the other half.
 
GiaOmerta said:

Wow, what an entirely different situation. Good job.

We are talking about the loss of all higher brain functions. The loss of the entire cerebrum itself. The loss of everything that made Terri Schiavo who she was. We are talking about a void in the skull that is filled with nothing more than fluid.

Can you survive with only half a brain? Yes, but that's entirely dependent on what you've lost. Terri was dead in all but the most base biological of senses. There was no chance for recovery. Period.

http://pharyngula.org/images/schiavo_ct_scan.jpg

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That is entirely different to missing a hemisphere.

Raziaar said:
While I was for letting Terri die, I will say this. Tell it to the girl on ripley's who lost half her brain and still functions like a normal kid.

You CAN recover from losing half of your brain. It just depends which parts, and what kind of damage, really. But still, people have lived with half a brain, much like they did before they lost the other half.

Read above.
 
Sparta said:
Thats just ridiculous. The way you've phrased that sentence implies that the parents used their braindead daughter as a means of destroying the life of her husband. What a load of crap.
You need apply a little more thought to what I write. I don't know how you got that all they wanted to do was ruin the husband and not care about their daughter. Obviously they care about the daughter greatly and I can respect that. The problem is that they lied, they went against the daughter's wishes, they turned this into a media frenzy and they dragged Michael's name through the mud to help strengthen their position. And now with the autopsy they are looking at taking even more legal action by saying the autopsy is a fraud. There is no excuse for that.
 
Raziaar said:
For the love of god, guys, stop with your stupid, republican blanket statements. Oh yeah... all republicans want this or this. Bullshit.

We all differ in our opinions on the matter. Like me. I thought she should be allowed to die. So stop with your bullshit already, seriously.

Especially you No Limit... every thread I see, you're just sitting there saying how stupid and evil republicans are. Even the normal, average citizen... you spit on just because they're republican.
You need to not read my posts if you don't like what I post. I can't believe you are sitting here in the politics board and you are upset that we talk about Republicans or Democrats. Republicans and Democrats are 99.5% of American politics; if you don't like it go to another board.
 
Raziaar said:
Well, thats fine... call the politicians those things, but certainly not 'republicans' I'm very much different than the next. And with No Limit well... he thinks we're all trash. Its what can be easily formulated with all his anti-republcican posts not directed at the politics, but at the people themselves.
I think you are all trash? Let me ask you, have you ever met me or can you even say you know me? You make these absurd accusations because I argue politics on the politics board; trust me I do not start heated debates in my non-internet life everytime I run into a republican which is what you are trying to paint me as. Yes, I have jumped on Republicans on this board and I have been harsh on them. This is the nature of politics when someone is not willing to have a good debate or accept facts. But when I debate with a republican that is willing to debate the issues I have the upmost respect for them and this is clear if you actually read what I say. So do me a favor, before you make these kinds of statements get to know me a little better; if you are not willing to do that then just shut up (to quote O'Reilly).
 
Absinthe said:
You don't recover from losing half of your brain.


Half the posters in this forum seem to be managing ok.
 
No Limit said:
You need apply a little more thought to what I write. I don't know how you got that all they wanted to do was ruin the husband and not care about their daughter. Obviously they care about the daughter greatly and I can respect that. The problem is that they lied, they went against the daughter's wishes, they turned this into a media frenzy and they dragged Michael's name through the mud to help strengthen their position. And now with the autopsy they are looking at taking even more legal action by saying the autopsy is a fraud. There is no excuse for that.
How is this different from any other legal battle?
 
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