The Fall Of Half-Life²?

[ecko!]

I was doing some research today and I came acroos this little piece of news

Valve's present project "help Life 2" was adjusted up to further, the reason for this is the Leak of the source code of help Life 2, in which also the complete source code of the Havok was contained of 2 physics engines. Havok submitted a complaint against valve because of violation of contract. A court has now decided that the company Valve fully criminally liable is and now an amount of $ 18,000,000 to the company Havok to pay must

I know its only a rumor and Ive done some emailing today to get confirmation. You can check out the article I found this on @ our site http://www.hl2grounds.com

Its probably boguss but the article is three pages long...lol

ecko!
hl2grounds.com

 

[Joeyslucky22]

In some rumors...

this thread should be moved :dozey:

3 pages long?


someones obviously very bored

hahaha 18 mil? lol, thats extremely hard to belive, and really, how did they get this information?

They're just pulling it outa their asses?

some people just have too much time on their hands

and besides his paragrphs arn't even in proper english... :dozey:

 

[Washuu]

looks like bs to me :-/

 

[Letters]

Wouldn't it be kinda hard to make a case on stolen property?

 

[Murray_H]

Well this could be the dispute that has been sorted and now the SDK can be released....

 

[ecko!]

Wouldn't it be kinda hard to make a case on stolen property?

I would deffinately agree... Im like you guys, maybe this person has entirely too much time on there hands, thats for sure..

 

[Dougy]

oh god some1 used bable fish to translate it, "help life"


so i can safely say Bull Shiat to that little bit of news.

 

[Javert]

:O It better be. Us hl2 fans are jumpy enough already...

 

[ecko!]

:O It better be. Us hl2 fans are jumpy enough already...

Yeh, I know... But I dont think the gaming world is coming to an end so this article has to one of those hype projects

 

[Chris-008]

that's BS!!! defintely.

 

[Kadayi]

A liability against Valve could only be made if they deliberately leaked the information. It was stolen from them, the only person who is liable is the hacker, it's a criminal case, not a civil one. The nature of the hack is unparalleled so it would be hard to even press a successful suit on the grounds of professional negligence by Valve. If Havok have suffered a loss, then they will undoubtably be adequately covered via their company insurance. Also if they did successfully sue Valve for £18 million then they might as well retire now, because no other game developer is ever likely to employ them again (would you given the risk?).

There has been a lot of talk about the source code having this, that and the whatever inside it, but I'm curious as to whether anyone on these forums can confirm the validity of these things? Surely there must be a few coders amongst the assembly who have sneaked a peek, can anyone confirm that the havok engine is there in all it's bare assed glory ready to be raped by one and all?

 

[BlazeKun]

A liability against Valve could only be made if they deliberately leaked the information. It was stolen from them, the only person who is liable is the hacker, it's a criminal case, not a civil one. The nature of the hack is unparalleled so it would be hard to even press a successful suit on the grounds of professional negligence by Valve. If Havok have suffered a loss, then they will undoubtably be adequately covered via their company insurance. Also if they did successfully sue Valve for £18 million then they might as well retire now, because no other game developer is ever likely to employ them again (would you given the risk?).

There has been a lot of talk about the source code having this, that and the whatever inside it, but I'm curious as to whether anyone on these forums can confirm the validity of these things? Surely there must be a few coders amongst the assembly who have sneaked a peek, can anyone confirm that the havok engine is there in all it's bare assed glory ready to be raped by one and all?

It is, a working build was made from just the source before the alpha leak. Physics and all.

 

[Kadayi]

It is, a working build was made from just the source before the alpha leak. Physics and all.

How easily identifiable was the havok code from the source? Also was it not encypted itself, or contained?

 

[Pitbul]

It is, a working build was made from just the source before the alpha leak. Physics and all.

hes talking about the freakin source code leak not the early version leak of the game.

 

[BlazeKun]

How easily identifiable was the havok code from the source? Also was it not encypted itself, or contained?

No idea, I'm not a coder. I just know that it worked, aside from the lighting I think.

hes talking about the freakin source code leak not the early version leak of the game.

So was I.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Why do people find 18 million so hard to believe, its pocket money these days in the industry.

 

[Feath]

Hmm, maybe it's pocket money for Publishers but I'm not sure about Developers.

Surely if this was true, it would be in other news sites. I mean, the source code leak was reported in quite a few places.

 

[Kadayi]

Why do people find 18 million so hard to believe, its pocket money these days in the industry.

It's not I don't believe the amount, I just don't believe that Havok could actually successfully make a claim against Valve given the circumstances. Valve aren't an instigator, but a victim of a crime, so a claim for damages is always going to be a hard path to follow, because it relies upon a strong case of negligence on the behalf of the victim, and the onus is on the claimant to prove this. The hack employed was a custom job by a sophisticated hacker, not an easy thing to adjudicate on. Havok would have to have a really buttoned down licencing agreement with some major arm bending clauses in it regarding their software and it's uses to argue a breach of terms and conditions also.

If any claim is going to be made by Havok it's going to be against their company insurance and/or Valves. Insurance claims like this are a garanteeed payout.

Personally I have a theory about why HL² no longer is listed at Havoks website and the 5 month delay of the game. I think that Havok have pulled their licence from Valve over the leak and subsequently Valve have had to either buy in another or develop their own Physics engine, and they have naturally had to intergrate the new system with the existing source. Just a wild thought really, but it would explain a lot.

 

[JonTheCanuck]

this thread should be moved :dozey:

u do realize this is infact "rumours and speculation" forum

EDIT: ah crap, thought u said "should be removed" no moved, my bad! :dork:

 

[Cutey_Kaite]

Okay for thoes people that actully believed this BS here proof that its wrong

That is completely false.

Rick
Valve


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Sent: Mon 1/5/2004 10:10 PM
To: Rick Ellis
Subject: Havok Physics


I heard a rumor that you guys will not be implanting Havok into Half Life 2
because of some legal issues. Is this true?

One more question, how come you guys never update your main site?

Thanks for your time