The flip flop what you say about Bush/America(US Gov) thread.

[Bodacious]

This post assumes that Liberals have nothing good to say about Bush/America(US Gov) and that conservatives have nothing bad to say about Bush/America(US Gov).

Liberals/Lef wingers/Left of center/Bush haters: Say something nice about Bush/America(US Gov) .

Conservatives/Right wingers/Right of Center/Bush Lovers: Say something you don't like about Bush/America(US Gov) .


I am a conservative and I don't like that nothing is being done about the border situation and I wish Bush would stand up and say something about it. I am for SS reform but I think it needs to be handled with kid gloves and much debate and compromise on the senat floor. I would like more security and inspection at the ports and chemical plants. Althought the deficit and national debt aren't as bad as some liberals would have people believe, I do think some true conservatism needs to be shown and some needless fat needs to be trimmed rom the budget.

Hmm, what else?

Post your thoughts. If you don't have anything nice or bad to say go ahead and say it, but please, try and keep to posting the opposite of what you usually might post.

 

[CptStern]

any country that produces Van Halen, Hendrix, Chomsky (heheh bodacious), Scorsese, Frank Lloyd Wright, Kurt Vonneghut etc etc cant be all that bad right?

 

[Razor]

any country that produces Van Halen, Hendrix, Chomsky (heheh bodacious), Scorsese, Frank Lloyd Wright, Kurt Vonneghut etc etc cant be all that bad right?

I thought Jimi Hendrix was Jamaican .

 

[CptStern]

no american, you're thinking of bob marley

 

[PvtRyan]

Think it was a right decision not to sign up on Kyoto. Whatever the motivation behind that was.

 

[pomegranate]

Liberals/Lef wingers/Left of center/Bush haters: Say something nice about Bush/America(US Gov) .

Conservatives/Right wingers/Right of Center/Bush Lovers: Say something you don't like about Bush/America(US Gov) .

Um...I respect the likely intent behind this thread, but I think you're a complete twat for assuming that liberals/left wingers/left of center/Bush haters by default don't like America.
Such a perspective suggests you've been incredibly mindwashed by certain elements of the media and government. That's the lie that extreme conservatves tell you to make you think liberals are the enemy of America and freedom.
I'm a foreigner, and if forced to choose between one of the other would have to say I am very left wing (though I dunno if that's neccessary the same thing as liberal). There are many great things about America that I like. I think in many aspects it's been the greatest country, and the certainly greatest political experiment in history (shame about the Injuns though). It's not perfect though, and what drives most people to dislike or even hate America is the corruption, selfishness and contempt for other people and alien cultures that has been dumped on top of, and tainted, the admirable principles that we are told America was founded on.
This is the crucial thing that those currently in power don't want the American people to understand. Understanding it puts a whole different perspective on why people (foreigners AND Americans) feel certain ways about America today.

<phew>

 

[Bodacious]

Um...I respect the likely intent behind this thread, but I think you're a complete twat for assuming that liberals/left wingers/left of center/Bush haters by default don't like America. Such a perspective suggests you've been incredibly mindwashed by certain elements of the media and government. That's the lie that extreme conservatves tell you to make you think liberals are the enemy of America and freedom.

I am sorry you don't think that is a fair assumption, but it generally is here on this forum and many others. Take stern for example, he hardly says anything good about America/Bush, as well as Kmack, no limit, Mechagodzilla, Absinthe and a few others. Look at me, seinfeldrules, scoobnfl, and gh0st, to us America can do no wrong, or so it seems from our posts. You are from another country I don't expect you to understand.

You can check your personal attacks at the door. I won't waste my time with you because of that. Once you get some maturity I might cosider debating with you.

 

[gh0st]

Bush has done a horrible job of securing our borders from illegal immigration and its ruining America. Our financial problems are a result of so-called "fiscal conservatives" running our country, who arent really conservative at all, and, though government needs to be expanded slightly to account for new security personnel, it should not have expanded this much. Theres plenty more but thats enough for now.

By the way, Jimi Hendrix was expelled from a highschool less than a mile away because he was having sex in the hallway Or so the story goes... Garfield is a good school, they have a fantastic jazz program, I got my ass beat by them a month or so ago :hmph:

 

[pomegranate]

I'm not really bothered what you think of me. I'm really sorry if you took it in offence, but I really can't think how someone could take that assumption without being.... quite a twat. If we're talking about maturity, how about you set the example and not make unfounded comments regarding people's nationality? Ok? Ok.

Right then, I take it back, but do you want to explain why you make such an assumption. Well I guess you did already, so I'll counter - if people are passionate about politics, and have a gripe with the current government, they're hardly going to make threads and comments about what they actually like about America, are they? They've got other things they'd rather talk about first, right? Simple as.

 

[gh0st]

I'm not really bothered what you think of me. I'm really sorry if you took it in offence, but I really can't think how someone could take that assumption without being.... quite a twat.
Okay I take it back, but do you want to explain why you make such an assumption. Well I guess you did already, so I'll explain - if people are passionate about politics, and have a gripe with the current government, they're hardly going to make threads and comments about what they actually like about America, are they? They've got other things they'd rather talk about first, right? Simple as.

He's not generalizing anything. He boiled things down to who is more likely to hate bush? Liberals. Who is more likely to like bush? Conservatives. Get of your damn high horse, quit being so politically correct, answer the question, and ffs dont get us on this road ALREADY its been like 5 minutes.

 

[The Mullinator]

I'm not really bothered what you think of me. I'm really sorry if you took it in offence, but I really can't think how someone could take that assumption without being.... quite a twat.
Okay I take it back, but do you want to explain why you make such an assumption. Well I guess you did already, so I'll explain - if people are passionate about politics, and have a gripe with the current government, they're hardly going to make threads and comments about what they actually like about America, are they? They've got other things they'd rather talk about first, right? Simple as.

I don't think he made the assumption that either side has absolutely nothing good to say about the other, if he did then he would not of made this thread because he would have thought that no one would have actually done what he is asking for.

 

[pomegranate]

My point was about the idea of liberals by default fundamentally disliking America which I consider to be an offensive non-starter to a thread.
Someone would only believe that to be the case if they'd been taken in by the government/media lie which is perpetuated to divide otherwise reasonable right-leaning and left-leaning people.

 

[gh0st]

My point was about the idea of liberals by default fundamentally disliking America which I consider to be an offensive non-starter to a thread.
Someone would only believe that to be the case if they'd been taken in by the government/media lie which is perpetuated to divide otherwise reasonable right-leaning and left-leaning people.

Um. Nobody cares. If you have a problem with him why dont you PM him, this could turn out to be a decent thread which is rare on these forums, just let people talk without taking offense to anything. cptstern didnt get offended, why the hell do you?

 

[pomegranate]

I wouldn't like to speculate on Stern's perspective, but perhaps he doesn't take this issue I've pointed out seriously, like I do. I think it's a problem, and I think it's one that needs to be countered. If this thread carries on, it will be perpetuating the misconception. Hence my reaction.
Different people find different things offensively, don't they?

 

[Kangy]

In person, I've only I ever met 1 American that I really didn't like at all:

"My Big Fat Greek Restaurant", Scottsdale AZ:

Cindy (can't remember her name, something bimboish): So, did you like the meals?
Member: It was awful!
Cindy: Oh, that's nice!
Various Members of Party: No. Since when did potatoes rice come with this? You were slow with service, and it just wasn't Greek at all.
Cindy: Oh, well, the owners are Greek!
Members: We go to Greece and the Med quite often. This is not Greek.
Cindy: Oh, well, I probably wouldn't like European food anyway, I don't like seafood.
Members: *laughter of disbelief*.

Everything else about America that I've seen has been 100%, except that people in Arizona can't drive in the rain

 

[Steve]

This is really hard for me. I can't think of anything policy-wise that I like about the Bush administration. I live in America, so I think it would be too easy to say something I like about the country itself.

Umm...I think Bush would be a really fun guy to get drunk with. Does that count?

 

[pomegranate]

Okay, in the spirit of not being a complete sourpuss jerk...
I have a certain admiration of Bush etc's single-mindedness for whatever it is they're trying to achieve, because they're clearly not pandering to whatever anyone else thinks/wants, in the slightest.

 

[Nofuture]

I am sorry you don't think that is a fair assumption, but it generally is here on this forum and many others. Take stern for example, he hardly says anything good about America/Bush, as well as Kmack, no limit, Mechagodzilla, Absinthe and a few others. Look at me, seinfeldrules, scoobnfl, and gh0st, to us America can do no wrong, or so it seems from our posts. You are from another country I don't expect you to understand.

Maybe it´s because so late in the night... Ironically, it doesn´t come to my mind anything positive but this

Bush at Booker Elementary
THE VIDEO THAT PROVES 9/11 WAS NOT A SURPRISE
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html

An Interesting Day:
President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

Was Bush complicit with the 9/11 attacks?
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/bush.html

The President as Incompetent Liar
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/liar.htm

As to you America can´t do no wrong, please explane what do you see good in this

I don´t mean it confrontationaly. I just was shocked, as I saw Bush´s lack of reaction at that serious time...

 

[Tr0n]

Since I'm a centrist...

Bush/America sucks.
Bush/America rocks.

GG.

 

[Bodacious]

Maybe it´s because so late in the night... Ironically, it doesn´t come to my mind anything positive but this

Bush at Booker Elementary
THE VIDEO THAT PROVES 9/11 WAS NOT A SURPRISE
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html

An Interesting Day:
President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

Was Bush complicit with the 9/11 attacks?
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/bush.html

The President as Incompetent Liar
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/liar.htm

As to you America can´t do no wrong, please explane what do you see good in this

I don´t mean it confrontationaly. I just was shocked, as I saw Bush´s lack of reaction at that serious time...

You got your tinfoil hat handy?

Bush kept his cool and didn't want to cause the students distress.

You know what Kerry did during the attacks? Sat in his office with some other senators for 40 minutes.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Bush cant speak for shit.

 

[gh0st]

Bush cant speak for shit.

True that. I also dont like his gremlin like grin. Wait... I've been wrong all along now! Damn! Should have supported Kerry!

 

[GhostBoi]

Kerry has the face of an eagle, which is just scary.

 

[CptStern]

america is doing a good job in iraq and george bush is smrt ...errrr I mean ...smart


all iraqis are happy america is there to save the day

saddam wasnt a good friend of america!






I'll stop now ...I need a shower

 

[staticprimer]

I guess Bush did a pretty good job in the few months immediatly following 9/11.

 

[seinfeldrules]

america is doing a good job in iraq and george bush is smrt ...errrr I mean ...smart


all iraqis are happy america is there to save the day

saddam wasnt a good friend of america!

Man, this is sig type stuff!

 

[Steve]

Kerry has the face of an eagle, which is just scary.

Oh, so our national emblem is SCARY now? Commie.

 

[The Mullinator]

Oh, so our national emblem is SCARY now? Commie.

When cross-bred with a human yes I would say it is too.

 

[Steve]

When cross-bred with a human yes I would say it is too.

Discriminator! I believe in the love that exists between a man and an eagle...


...and me watching.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Everything else about America that I've seen has been 100%, except that people in Arizona can't drive in the rain

Man speaks the truth.. and I'm here. I almost slid off a dirt road the other day and I lost control and almost was turned around.

Anyway-

Bush has done very little to curtail welfare abuse. I'm not talking about ridding the state of welfare (which eventually would be nice, it'd need to be slow and very gradual though) but reform at least, which I think EVERYBODY wants. It's something he came in to office to do, and he's had chances even with the war, it just hasn't been taken care of.

Also the issue with illegal immigrants here. Most of the time they will just let them go if caught because there is no room to hold them before deportation. It's rediculous. Citizens in the southern areas of the state have taken to patrolling the border on their own, it shouldn't get so bad as to reach that point.

And he hasn't been too vocal against anything like a national ID card. National ID Card is bad news bears for gun owners, states rights, etc.

He wasted time pushing the failed Constitutional ban on gay marriage. First of all, it should be up to the states, second of all, they had it illegal in the first place so it's just an overlapping waste of time for all. Legislation like this does not belong in the federal realm. He could've spent this time on something much more valuable.

I've got some more rants, but these are the main points. Whew, felt good to get that out

 

[MarcoPollo]

Bush's spending=pretty unecissary

 

[Nofuture]

Good things of America:

"The Sea-Wolf" by Jack London, some Hemingways novellas, Elvis, films such as "American history X", "Rambo: First Blood", "True lies", "The Game", "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest" etc. There are definitely more!..

Bush kept his cool and didn't want to cause the students distress.

"Bush did not say one word. He did not ask Card any questions. He did not give any orders. He did not know who (or which country) was attacking, whether there would be more attacks, what military plans had been taken, what military actions should be taken - indeed, he knew virtually nothing about what was going on outside the room. He just sat there. Bush later recalled: "There was no time for discussion or anything." [Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism - From Inside the Bush White House, by Bill Sammon, 10/02, pp. 83-84] Even stranger, as one newspaper put it, although the nation was under terrorist attack, "for some reason, Secret Service agents [did] not bustle him away." [Globe and Mail, 9/12/01]

Military pilots must have "permission from the White House because only the president has the authority to order a civilian aircraft shot down." [CNN, 10/26/99] But if retaliatory strikes needed to the authorized, Bush was not available. If one of the planes had to be shot down to save more lives on the ground, Bush was not available. Although several fighters had been dispatched to defend New York City, the pilot of one of the planes flying to catch Flight 175 later noted that it wouldn't have mattered if he caught up with it, because only Bush could order a shootdown, and Bush could not be reached in the classroom. [Cape Cod Times, 8/21/02]"

"What damns the Bush administration is not what is in this video, but what SHOULD be in the video and is not. Ostensibly, Bush and Card are reacting to a surprise attack, but Bush does not act surprised, and Andrew Card does not act like a man delivering an unexpected piece of news but instead is merely delivering a progress report to which he already knows Bush will not have an immediate response."

There would be a good explanation of this: He knew it will happen or maybe he even arranged it itself.

I don´t get it how after all this he is still in the offis.
The love of Americans to Bush must be extraordinary strong to ignore all this. Love makes blind , doesn´t she

 

[Calanen]

I thought Jimi Hendrix was Jamaican .

Jimi Hendrix was in the 101st Airbourne during the Vietnam war era, but was medically discharged for breaking his ankle badly in a jump Unless the USA had a special 'Draft a Rasta' program, he is as American as they come. Indeed, for whatever reason, he volunteered to serve.

 

[DreamThrall]

Um...I respect the likely intent behind this thread, but I think you're a complete twat for assuming that liberals/left wingers/left of center/Bush haters by default don't like America.

I know we're already off this, but I would just like to point out that you couldn't have more completely missed the point of this thread. Did you bother reading Bodacious's ENTIRE first post?

This post assumes that Liberals have nothing good to say about Bush/America(US Gov) and that conservatives have nothing bad to say about Bush/America(US Gov).

There, I've highlighted the key word of his first post for you since you obviously missed it the first time through. By using the word ASSUMES, he doesn't mean his statement is necessarily true, but it will be FOR THE CONTEXT OF THIS THREAD ONLY.

People like you give liberals a bad name.

By the way, saying you "respect the likely intent" and then saying the things you did proves you obviously have no respect at all.

 

[CptStern]

Jimi Hendrix was in the 101st Airbourne during the Vietnam war era, but was medically discharged for breaking his ankle badly in a jump Unless the USA had a special 'Draft a Rasta' program, he is as American as they come. Indeed, for whatever reason, he volunteered to serve.

not all jamaicans are "rastas" ..oh and rastafarianism is a faith just like christianity

 

[Bodacious]

There would be a good explanation of this: He knew it will happen or maybe he even arranged it itself.

I don´t get it how after all this he is still in the offis.
The love of Americans to Bush must be extraordinary strong to ignore all this. Love makes blind , doesn´t she

Because Americans don't buy into the propaganda of raving lunatics?


I wouldn't be surprised if that was cut and past from michael moore.com.

4 more years!

 

[CptStern]

jeez bodacious you gotta stop pushing moore ...he isnt exactly the left's poster boy


personally I think bush was thinking about one of 2 things after being told about the planes hitting the WTC:

1. "oh my god, dammit they were right, why didnt we listen jesus people are going to be pissed .....maybe I can blame saddam for it"

or

2. "The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, the horn on the bus goes beep beep beep, beep beep beep...."




:E

 

[jondy]

*thread derails*

 

[Korgoth]

I like the people of America, I like our soldiers, a few of them are the closest friends I have. I appreciate all the good our government does do around the world, in the form of aid, and relief to ravaged countries and those less fortunate (however i am of the opinion that our priorities are out of whack and we could spend less on offense and apropriate more to help these poor people, starting at home then going abroad).

 

[pomegranate]

I know we're already off this, but I would just like to point out that you couldn't have more completely missed the point of this thread. Did you bother reading Bodacious's ENTIRE first post?



There, I've highlighted the key word of his first post for you since you obviously missed it the first time through. By using the word ASSUMES, he doesn't mean his statement is necessarily true, but it will be FOR THE CONTEXT OF THIS THREAD ONLY.

People like you give liberals a bad name.

By the way, saying you "respect the likely intent" and then saying the things you did proves you obviously have no respect at all.

Ouch. Okay, You = Pwned Me. Hands up, I was mistaken. Sorry.
But my general point still stands.