The Ice it be everywhere, yar.

[clarky003]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/

Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered

Just a few weeks ago, predictions of Arctic ice collapse were buzzing all over the internet. Some scientists were predicting that the "North Pole may be ice-free for first time this summer". Others predicted that the entire "polar ice cap would disappear this summer".

The Arctic melt season is nearly done for this year. The sun is now very low above the horizon and will set for the winter at the North Pole in five weeks. And none of these dire predictions have come to pass. Yet there is, however, something odd going on with the ice data.

Read the whole article.

Contradiction much? Al Gore is sounding more and more like some wacko on a religious quest to find man bear pig.

 

[lefty]

I like the snippet you gave, it adds intrigue and invites someone to read the article to find out what happened, rather than give the main point in a two-sentance quote that states the exact thing in the thread title, and then try to insult everyone who posts after you for not realizing there was more to it than what was posted. Like some people.

 

[VirusType2]

Not sure if the source is reliable but if so, then that is great news.


It's amazing that humans are able to affect the planet so adversely. It's like "shit, the earth is ****ed today, nobody run your air conditioner and try not to drive around too much for a couple days", and suddenly, the earth begins reversing the changes.

Same thing with the ozone layer. We stopped using CFC's and the ozone layer has fixed itself in about a decade.

 

[clarky003]

This place has really gone down the toilet .

I remember when posts actually stayed on topic for atleast one whole page, maybe two.

Anyway, the NASA data is realiable, and based on that, the article makes alot of sense. Predictions and graphs were not and some still are not reflecting the physical data accurately for some reason, which is odd.

 

[Mech Man]

Al Gore is TOTALLY cerial.

 

[Raziaar]

Polar bears are still dying in droves because they are losing their hunting grounds.

Conspiracy?

 

[alpha incipiens]

I'd like to know the reason for this change. I'm not an expert, so I'd rather not conclude it's because global warming is a lie, nor would I conclude that it's due to human intervention.

 

[Mech Man]

Well the temperature of the Earth fluctuates anyways , ever heard of an ICE AGE? Yeah. Im not worried about this crap at all , Al Gore and all the eco-famous people are using it as an excuse to boost thier own ego , the truth is they dont give a rats ass about it either.

Edit : Last year i did a paper on it in science , i basically said what i said there. My teacher looked at my paper , looked back at me then said "Nice..." with a smirk across her face.

 

[Fliko]

I'd like to know the reason for this change. I'm not an expert, so I'd rather not conclude it's because global warming is a lie, nor would I conclude that it's due to human intervention.

Just forget everything Al Gore said, he's just like George Bush except he can manipulate the truth better.

Here a few threads you can read through if you want, quite a few members have contributed greatly to explaining why Global Warming isn't real, and others explain why it's also possible.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=121546
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138645
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=141979

 

[Raziaar]

Well the temperature of the Earth fluctuates anyways , ever heard of an ICE AGE? Yeah. Im not worried about this crap at all , Al Gore and all the eco-famous people are using it as an excuse to boost thier own ego , the truth is they dont give a rats ass about it either.

Edit : Last year i did a paper on it in science , i basically said what i said there. My teacher looked at my paper , looked back at me then said "Nice..." with a smirk across her face.

No shit there have been ice ages in the past, but you can't just say that and ignore all the evidence. In the past 650,000 years, there have been rises in carbon dioxide and as a result rises in temperature, and there have also been dips... in our time though, just very recently, the rise has been dramatic and at an all time high compared with all the length of time in the past we have been able to measure the CO2 levels.

So you can choose to be woefully ignorant and just think, "well nature does it on its own, so it's all natural and not caused by us", but you are ignoring the facts and the anomalous nature of our time frame compared to the past in how astronomical CO2 emissions have been rising compared with past periods of time. And in around 100 years, they're expected to be double what they are today.

 

[Jintor]

Majestic 12 did it.

 

[CptStern]

even if global warming isnt real it's had a tremendous effect on society ..people are far more enviromentally conscious then they were a decade ago, people are buying smaller cars or using fuel alternatives, they're recycling or composting or not spraying chemicals, or eating less factory farmed foods etc ..so that in itself is more than worth it ..all those that argue global warming isnt a reality need to stfu and stop trying to prove some idiotic partisan notion meant to sell the idea that fossil fuels or non renewable enrgy is ok because they need their pockets lined. real or not we need to change society's bad habits


so we can either accept that humans are affecting this planet in some way shape or form or just go back to raping it as we please ..except now there's a shit load more people than there were a few decades ago

 

[nurizeko]

Contradiction much? Al Gore is sounding more and more like some wacko on a religious quest to find man bear pig.

He's always sounded like that to people who aren't tools.


Even if he was right and all his fanciful predictions came true, it wouldn't change the fact he is essentially a religious fundamentalist replacing gods with temperature scales and spouting mostly bullshit.


For the info I cant learn/understand myself I prefer to rely on the peer reviewed opinions and articles of well respected actual scientists known for knowing their shit, thanks.

Well the temperature of the Earth fluctuates anyways , ever heard of an ICE AGE? Yeah. Im not worried about this crap at all , Al Gore and all the eco-famous people are using it as an excuse to boost thier own ego , the truth is they dont give a rats ass about it either.

The delicious irony is that were in one.

Yeah, see that ice at the poles?, thats the big neon sign that says "hey, you!, HEY ALIENS!, I'M IN AN ICE AGE!".


The Earth has survived and thrived without that ice, so even then, half the fantastical over-exhaggirated bullshit zombie GW fanatics spout is loony.

The only thing even worse then some of their claims is their solutions.

even if global warming isnt real it's had a tremendous effect on society ..people are far more enviromentally conscious then they were a decade ago

Its not even that its not real, its that it attracts so much stinking shit from idiots that its blown out of all proportion until most of the stuff around it is completely stupid and un-helpful.

The climate always changes even without us, so while we may be having an effect on the global climate, idiots like Al Gore, who as said, is only in it for his own stupid reasons and ignorantly held opinions, and gets in the way of good proper science and problem tackling.


And people wonder why half the doomsday claims never occur. Remember the short lived fad obsession with Near Earth Objects crashing into us?.

I think it fell out of fashion because we actually stand a bigger chance of going extinct to that then GW.


But your right, at least more people are learning to respect the environment around them more, nothing wrong at all with embracing nature a bit more and cold hard urban mindsets less.

 

[Mech Man]

No shit there have been ice ages in the past, but you can't just say that and ignore all the evidence. In the past 650,000 years, there have been rises in carbon dioxide and as a result rises in temperature, and there have also been dips... in our time though, just very recently, the rise has been dramatic and at an all time high compared with all the length of time in the past we have been able to measure the CO2 levels.

*snip*

So you can choose to be woefully ignorant and just think, "well nature does it on its own, so it's all natural and not caused by us", but you are ignoring the facts and the anomalous nature of our time frame compared to the past in how astronomical CO2 emissions have been rising compared with past periods of time. And in around 100 years, they're expected to be double what they are today.

Well of course we are having some impact on it , im just saying the earths going to survive no matter what , so its not my problem. Im not "ignoring the facts" i just dont give two craps about any of it.

 

[Raziaar]

The delicious irony is that were in one.

Yeah, see that ice at the poles?, thats the big neon sign that says "hey, you!, HEY ALIENS!, I'M IN AN ICE AGE!".

Incorrect. We're not in an ice age. The simple fact that there is ice on the planet is not an indicator that we're in an ice age. That's ignorance speaking.

The Earth has survived and thrived without that ice, so even then, half the fantastical over-exhaggirated bullshit zombie GW fanatics spout is loony.

The only thing even worse then some of their claims is their solutions.

Of course the earth will survive and thrive without ice. It's just a matter of what organisms will survive. Species like polar bears will certainly become extinct if things continue as they are. The change is too rapid for them to adapt, since their entire livelihood is based on sea ice as a platform to hunt seal.

Humans will survive too... but there will be great turmoil in the future with rising sea levels that will affect the over 600 million people who live within 30 feet of sea level.

Only from a position of ignorance can you think that from small increases in temperature and rising sea levels will nothing bad happen. You have to understand the delicate nature that many ecosystems rely on which are easily thrown out of balance and which cause drastic changes. Extinctions of many species, overpopulation of other species as a result, desert expansion, and many more things that WILL have an impact on human life.

Caused by humans or not, this rise in CO2 that is going to easily be double the CO2 levels of the earth stretching nearly a million(potentially more... because we just don't have the data) years back, is not going to have a minute impact upon earths flora and fauna. The changes are not over-exaggerated.



No matter, the earth will prevail. We may or we may not. Most of the species we love may or may not. The earth WILL regulate itself, as it always has in the past. As temperatures rise, rainfall increases, and excess CO2 is removed from the atmosphere, resulting in a cooling of the earth. And of course when that happens and more ice develops, the albedo of the earth increases and thus cools it even further. And of course it'll then regulate itself and start warming again.

The problem now, is that it's doing so at an exponential pace, far more exaggerated than any date in history we can record, starting roughly at the time of the industrial revolution.

I personally believe it's all a natural effect, but it's being accelerated at an alarming rate from human interference. And my opinion is based on decades of research and data as scientists have been looking at the implications of increasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

Well of course we are having some impact on it , im just saying the earths going to survive no matter what , so its not my problem. Im not "ignoring the facts" i just dont give two craps about any of it.

Of course the Earth is going to survive. Even if an asteroid the size of Texas hits the earth, it's going to survive... easily. It's just a chunk of diverse matter.

I have far more respect for people like Al Gore who at least try to bring some awareness to the people, even if it's a bit out of control, which results in betterment of mankind and our ability to live on this planet, and better technological progress... than people like you who just say, "I don't give a rats ****... let's continue pouring toxic sludge into the ocean while I count my money now."

 

[Mech Man]

I personally believe it's all a natural effect, but it's being accelerated at an alarming rate from human interference. And my opinion is based on decades of research and data as scientists have been looking at the implications of increasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

Thats exactly what i put as my conclusion on said science paper. The thing is , even if many creatures die out because of rising sea levels etc , many more will thrive down the line (as in thousands of years down the line).

Edit : where i live will be flooded too , so i guess i should be a little worried but i will think of something when the time comes.

 

[VirusType2]

Humans are so freaking young on this planet. This is just the beginning of the human race in the scope of things, and we already won the planet. It's ours. The only creatures that can challenge us are too small to see and have no cure though. Overcrowding makes it easy for a disease to kill everyone in the entire networked planet. Diseases like the plague are proof.

Dinosaurs ruled the earth for much longer than we have.

/cue awesome doomsday music.

 

[lefty]

Humans are so freaking young on this planet. This is just the beginning of the human race in the scope of things, and we already won the planet. It's ours. The only creatures that can challenge us are too small to see and have no cure though. Overcrowding makes it easy for a disease to kill everyone in the entire networked planet. Diseases like the plague are proof.

Dinosaurs ruled the earth for much longer than we have.

What about ourselves? I think we could easily wipe ourselves out faster than any virus. Even a type 2.

God, I wish there were still dinosaurs.

 

[Raziaar]

There are creatures still here that are older than dinosaurs... why not just be happy with them?

 

[Mech Man]

Well I think its almost certain we will get wiped out and replaced in the fututre , like the dinosaurs. At that point mamals were scurrying about in the undergrowth , look where we are now? I predict insects are due to rise to power next .

 

[lefty]

Insects have had their chance for the last quadrizillionbillion years.

 

[Mech Man]

Thats why i think they are due , i mean they have been stepped on , eaten , ripped apart , set on fire by a giant kid with a magnifying glass and shoved up babies noses all that time. They gotta have a break some time eh?

 

[Raziaar]

I wonder what the world would be like if every insect was quadrupled in size, and still maintained their populations and growth rate.

There's an estimated 100,000,000,000,000,000 ants in the world.

 

[Mech Man]

F**k walking with dinosaurs , this is Walking on Ants.

 

[Raziaar]

Oh, forgot to add... that number of ants apparently form 15-20% of the earths terrestrial biomass.

 

[Mech Man]

Ok , so we are going to have an ant age in between ice ages now?

 

[VirusType2]

I wonder what the world would be like if every insect was quadrupled in size, and still maintained their populations and growth rate.

There's an estimated 100,000,000,000,000,000 ants in the world.

Long ago, there used to be a much more oxygen rich atmosphere, and creatures that lived during that time were huge by comparison.

In case you don't follow, here is just one example. Dragonflies. They used to be a few feet long, now the biggest ones I see are a couple inches.

I don't remember any more details on that sorry.

 

[Raziaar]

Long ago, there used to be a much more oxygen rich atmosphere, and creatures that lived during that time were huge by comparison.

In case you don't follow, here is just one example. Dragonflies. They used to be a few feet long, now the biggest ones I see are a couple inches.

I don't remember any more details on that sorry.

Yeah, I know all about that... with the lack of oxygen in the atmosphere, and then the proliferation of cyanobacteria producing oxygen in the atmosphere... and all that jazz.

Though I don't know about the 'few feet long' thing... the ones I know of that were found had a WINGSPAN of over HALF a meter in length.

 

[Mech Man]

I saw some thing on TV about the giant insects , it was really quite interesting. It didnt say anything about giant arachnids or the like though , i wonder if they existed.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Raziaar done did it.