The Moussaoui trial, you decide.

[baxter]

The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, Moussaoui trial exhibits and documents

FACT :Moussaoui was the only hijacker ever prosecuted.

FACT: Here is the mountain of evidence and exhibits presented against him

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/index.php?sortby=datedesc

These documents has just come into the public domain.

FACT: For the first time in public the voice reordering of flight 93 was heard. (The transcript is available in the link).

FACT: For the first time ever bodies were shown in the crash site of the Pentagon. (These photographs are in the link).

FACT: For the first time ever audiotapes of two 911 calls made from the twin towers were played to the public.

FACT: The prosecution wanted to show video footage seized at the Sheraton hotel and various other locations around the Pentagon.

FACT: The defence asked for the evidence to be “toned down “.

FACT: This video footage as never been shown in public.

FACT: This trial is almost over.

For those that simply cannot grasp or refuse to accept the shear hated that drove these individuals to carry out this dreadful act, here for the first time in public is Moussaoui’s thoughts on.

The USA.

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/pdf/DX-ZM005.pdf

The UK.

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/pdf/DX-ZM010.pdf

I am simply posting this so everybody can be made aware of the facts that were presented at this trial and the reason why a lot of evidence has been kept from us. It is simply because it was needed as with any jury trial, to be kept out of the public domain and not allow for prejudice to cloud their judgements. Also most of it is very distressing.

This is not a thread for discussing alternative theories regarding what happened but for everybody to judge themselves what suitable punishment this individual gets based on all the evidence presented against him. The prosecution wants the death penalty, the defence wants life.

So if you were a juror what would you support? (Please before you decide open the link and if not read everything there, at least glance at the sheer volume of exhibits as presented)

Other source and references.

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=MOUSSAOUI-04-11-06

 

[The Monkey]

Seeing as I'm against Death Penalty, I voted for the second option. I'm not saying that this person doesn't deserve to die, it's a matter of principle and ethics. I don't want to turn this into a Death Penalty, so I'll stop this post here.

 

[Black Pete]

he didn't participate in any killing, voted for life

 

[Ome_Vince]

I'm against Death Penalty as well, so voted for life in Prison.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Voted life.

It would just be setting more bad precedents if he is executed....

 

[Murray]

My opinion: Nobody, no matter the crime should get death penalty. They should sit in jail and think over what they have done, and mabye get anal raped in the shower while they're at it.

 

[kaf11]

Life.

I do not support the death penalty.

 

[Icarusintel]

As much as I am a supporter of the death penalty I think Moussaoui deserves life without the possibility of parole. If he had actually killed someone I would have said the death penalty. If he was to end up getting the death penalty I would not protest it.

Those bodies in the Pentagon are a little rough to look at, especially since one of my dad's friends died there.

 

[Zeus]

Life in prison, I do not support the stone-age punishment of the death penalty and I can't believe a developed nation like ourselves (the u.s.a) still has it in place

 

[Gunner]

I voted for the death penalty, but I'm not american, I just don't think he'll ever repent or show any remorse.

 

[French Ninja]

I want to see the rat suffer as much as possible, so either one.

 

[gick]

Life. I seem to remember hearing that he hoped for a death penalty, as it would make a martyr of him. He should not have that satisfaction.

 

[Flyingdebris]

"they want to ban us on capital hill, cause its die motherf**ker die motherf**ker still, fool"

voted death, thats what he deserves for messing with us

 

[DeusExMachina]

As much as I am a supporter of the death penalty I think Moussaoui deserves life without the possibility of parole. If he had actually killed someone I would have said the death penalty. If he was to end up getting the death penalty I would not protest it.

I agree.

 

[Pesmerga]

There are far worse tragedies than death.

Life.

 

[kirovman]

He should recieve a stern warning and a ticking off.

Oh, life imprisonment too.

 

[Kamikazie]

As much as I am a supporter of the death penalty I think Moussaoui deserves life without the possibility of parole. If he had actually killed someone I would have said the death penalty. If he was to end up getting the death penalty I would not protest it.

Agreed. they should also make him suffer as much as possible, just like he made the families of the victims suffer

 

[Sainku]

Life imprisonment, daily rations of bacon and porkchops. Actually it seems allah forgives if it swine consumption is forced so nevermind.

 

[Nih]

Life imprisonment, daily rations of bacon and porkchops. Actually it seems allah forgives if it swine consumption is forced so nevermind.

Yeah and then we'd just be giving out free porkchops. We just can't have that!

 

[Ome_Vince]

Lock em up in a barn full of pigs with which he has to share his food

 

[Dalamari]

Life in prison, and not white collar resort prison, federal "pound me in the ass" prison

 

[OCybrManO]

He should recieve a stern warning

... but wouldn't that be cruel and unusual punishment? I mean, once you get stern started on politics... there's no stopping him. I don't think one man could handle that much stern. That's why he has to spread it across a forum with thousands of members. At least, that's the way I understand it...

 

[VirusType2]

I used to believe in the death penalty in extreme cases.

Recently I have thought maybe I was wrong. When your own government can put you to death because they feel something you did was wrong - I think that is wrong. Who is to say what is wrong or right? To some people one thing is wrong and to others it is right. Look at other cultures on Earth and you will see that wrong and right can be vastly different. No other life form on this earth has a government. If they kill another creature, well, thats just how it goes.

Now I'm not sure what the difference is whether you lock him in a cell for the rest of his life or kill him now. I'm not sure my previous point would make locking him up for life any more excusable, but I think you understand what I'm saying.

Now this guy is not a US citizen, but .. well, whatever. The problem I have with life imprisonment is that they have to make sure he can never escape, and can never harm anyone again. Every time I hear about some terrorists, convicted murderers or other terrible people escaping from prison I just think to myself, "The should have performed lethal injection"

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Just kill him and relieve yourself of grudge. It's pointless to keep people in prison, using resource they don't deserve. No punishment is more befitting, nor more severe than the final judgement.
Kill him, close the books, forget about 9/11 and carry on business as usual.

---
"Exh. GX-AQ00100 (intr'd: unknown)
Photo of Usama Bin Laden"

Usama?

 

[VirusType2]

Thats the first time I had seen those photographs, and they make me think capitol punishment would be going easy on this son of a bitch.

If I'm not mistaken, his home country's policy is an eye for an eye, but there is no way we can burn him to death thousands of times...

Put him in a cage and feed him food for life! Now that is the ultimate punishment =/

 

[Pesmerga]

Put him in a cage and feed him food for life! Now that is the ultimate punishment =/

A federal prison where everyday, you know for a fact that the walls have just moved in an inch, where everyday you wish you had the means to kill yourself, where you pray to God in search for salvation, only to find yourself in the same damn cell? Like Dalamari said, he's not going to juvey, he's going to some dark federal shit, the shit your nightmares are afraid of.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

That would be a waste of valuable cell space.
What's he going to do, think about what he's done for the next 30 years? Or maybe he'll live longer in jail than he would in his country.

I can't believe there is still so much drama of the events flying around but when it comes down to one of the people at fault a great deal of you get soft with your conscience all erect. Dog eat dog world, right? He's a useless human being and a threat to society so remove his genes from the herd.

If you want punishment, drop him off in a hazardous environment where he will die on his own and you don't have to make as difficult a call.

 

[bbson john]

Why can't I just to release him? Unfairly there is only two choice.

I choose to execute him in order to save some money for Government

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Death.

 

[Pesmerga]

For some reason I keep reading the thread title as Mussolini, and I'm all like "lol italians and their pizza... DEATH!!"

 

[15357]

Well, if hes going to work in a factory for 14 hours a day if he gets life, then life in prison.


But otherwise, Death.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

I find it suspicious that they are going to demonstrate incriminating articles to the jury, even when they were not released before hand, and seized straight after the incident.

Its as if they are desperate to kill this guy

And the evidense and articles, I have never so much in a court room before

 

[ComradeBadger]

I disagree with the Death Penelty, so Life Imprisonment

 

[jimbo118]

Life, dont give him the satisfaction of being martyred which will no doubt encourage more young men or women with extreme views to follow in his footsteps.

 

[VirusType2]

Life, dont give him the satisfaction of being martyred which will no doubt encourage more young men or women with extreme views to follow in his footsteps.

I agree. To these guys, dying for the cause is the ultimate ending, and many will follow. This might be like a moral booster for others like him if you put him to death.

The problem I have with life imprisonment, on the other hand, is that he is provided food, water, shelter, and protection, and all the while for his 20 or 40 years of life left in him he has nothing to do but pleasure himself all day and have his meals made for him like a child. That is not a fitting punishment in my humble opinion.

Plus, I don't care how secure a prison is, there is always a chance for escape or harm to guards and others by his hand.

Oh, and he has no remorse, so it's not like he will be regretting what he did for the next 30 years - he will be bathing in victory and satisfaction.


So all these factors and more need to be considered. I don't know what the right answer is.

 

[Kangy]

Regardless of your view on the death penalty, it would be foolish to make a martyr of this man to possibly swingable people. Seriously, just lock him away for the rest of his life, ensure he is utterly disconnected from the real world and vice versa. Don't be brutal like Guantanamo, just let him fade into being nothing.

Edit: goddamn, I was beaten to this. Should have pressed enter a long time ago

 

[Solaris]

He's severely mentally retarded. You shouldnt kill crazy people.

 

[VirusType2]

He's severely mentally retarded. You shouldnt kill crazy people.

Just for the record:

Last I heard - this morning, the doctor thinks he is completely competent and not schizophrenic after-all.

 

[Solaris]

Just for the record:

Last I heard - this morning, the doctor thinks he is completely competent and not schizophrenic after-all.

Read a big article in the guardian begging to differ. Can anyone find an online source?

 

[jimbo118]

Don't be brutal like Guantanamo, just let him fade into being nothing.

exactly.