The New Crusade

[kmack]

As a follow up to my thread with a poll on religion in politics, i present to you the embodiement of my fears.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393

Meet the Dominionists -- biblical literalists who believe God has called them to take over the U.S. government. As the far-right wing of the evangelical movement, Dominionists are pressing an agenda that makes Newt Gingrich's Contract With America look like the Communist Manifesto. They want to rewrite schoolbooks to reflect a Christian version of American history, pack the nation's courts with judges who follow Old Testament law, post the Ten Commandments in every courthouse and make it a felony for gay men to have sex and women to have abortions. In Florida, when the courts ordered Terri Schiavo's feeding tube removed, it was the Dominionists who organized round-the-clock protests and issued a fiery call for Gov. Jeb Bush to defy the law and take Schiavo into state custody. Their ultimate goal is to plant the seeds of a "faith-based" government that will endure far longer than Bush's presidency -- all the way until Jesus comes back.

I personally don't want these people involved in the politics of our country. Thoughts?

 

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, I read this before somewhere. It would be a very scary day when religious fanatics ruled our country.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Bunch of cooks and secularization put forward in the Constitution will stop them. It's one thing to follow traditions/values of a historically Christian nations; it's another to force those beliefs on anothers and use straight Biblical law.

It's the same mentality that fuels the radicals trying to get Sharia courts in Canada/Austrailia

 

[kmack]

Bunch of cooks and secularization put forward in the Constitution will stop them. It's one thing to follow traditions/values of a historically Christian nations; it's another to force those beliefs on anothers and use straight Biblical law.

It's the same mentality that fuels the radicals trying to get Sharia courts in Canada/Austrailia

good call.

i think this is religion sneaking into politics, and it just shows some of the problems faced if it gets too big.

 

[gh0st]

They are right on their issues but wrong in their methods. They are simply going about it the wrong way and with the wrong religious mindset.

 

[kmack]

They are right on their issues but wrong in their methods. They are simply going about it the wrong way and with the wrong religious mindset.

Who is to say they are right in their issues? For them to impose them on every citizen (mind you this is making gay sex and abortions a felony) they are taking issues based on religion and forcing them on free citizens.

 

[gh0st]

Who is to say they are right in their issues? For them to impose them on every citizen (mind you this is making gay sex and abortions a felony) they are taking issues based on religion and forcing them on free citizens.

Uh, well, I am to say they are right in their issues. My posts dont speak for anybody but me, I didnt think I needed to end everything with "well, thats just my opinion", I thought it was obvious but apparantly I've given you all too much credit.

(mind you this is making gay sex and abortions a felony)

Uhh... good.

 

[kmack]

(mind you this is making gay sex and abortions a felony)

Uhh... good.

ahh, so sad, so very very sad. The problem with this is that we are taking something not every free citizen believes and forcing them into compliance. Science says life doesnt start till several weeks into a pregnancy, the bible says its instant, now why is it the free citizens of the USA should be forced to obey something they do not believe in? The catholic church doesnt believe in contrraception, should it be a felony to have a pack of trojans? Personally i do not want my pursuit of happiness interfered with by a book i may or may not believe in.

 

[gh0st]

ahh, so sad, so very very sad. The problem with this is that we are taking something not every free citizen believes and forcing them into compliance. Science says life doesnt start till several weeks into a pregnancy, the bible says its instant, now why is it the free citizens of the USA should be forced to obey something they do not believe in? The catholic church doesnt believe in contrraception, should it be a felony to have a pack of trojans? Personally i do not want my pursuit of happiness interfered with by a book i may or may not believe in.

1) I'm not "for" these whackos
2) "Free" can mean religious too. Are these religio-philes not "free"? Dont impose your definition upon me.
3) Its my decision whether to be against abortion or not. It just so happens that I agree with these idiots on their issues, but their religious infatuation is wrong. Do you understand now kiddo?

 

[kmack]

1) I'm not "for" these whackos
2) "Free" can mean religious too. Are these religio-philes not "free"? Dont impose your definition upon me.
3) Its my decision whether to be against abortion or not. It just so happens that I agree with these idiots on their issues, but their religious infatuation is wrong. Do you understand now kiddo?

i just threw up a little in my mouth.

this freedom you are talking about is exactly what the people in the article are taking away. My point, pure and simple, is that this religious crusade outlined in the article shakes the very foundation of my country. they are taking away the right to freedom you just babbled about.

 

[gh0st]

i just threw up a little in my mouth.

this freedom you are talking about is exactly what the people in the article are taking away. My point, pure and simple, is that this religious crusade outlined in the article shakes the very foundation of my country.

Ok, this is getting tiresome. Open up that vacuous, empty expanse of cranium and let me show you something:

1) I'm not "for" these whackos

I DO not like them. I DO not want them to succeed. I am NOT in favor of them. They DO however, have the right to believe whatever they choose.

 

[kmack]

The statement:

(mind you this is making gay sex and abortions a felony)
Uhh... good.

the contradiction:

I DO not like them. I DO not want them to succeed. I am NOT in favor of them. They DO however, have the right to believe whatever they choose.

you started an argument with me based on their right to enforce their beliefs on us, you said you wanted gay sex and abortion to be a felony this is their agenda. how can you now say you dont support them? im going to stop responding to your nonsense until you get your opinions straightened out.

 

[gh0st]

The statement:



the contradiction:



you started an argument with me based on their right to enforce their beliefs on us, you said you wanted gay sex and abortion to be a felony this is their agenda. how can you now say you dont support them? im going to stop responding to your nonsense until you get your opinions straightened out.

Stern, for the sake of humanity you must show him the error of his ways.

Look here son. Ive been against abortion for a long time. I've been against gay marriage and generally furthering the gay movement for a long time. Far longer than these imbeciles have been around, or at least proliferated like they have today.

A group emerges who believe those two issues. Does that mean I like them? Hell I'm a conservative but I hate Sean Hannity - of course, I agree with what he has to say from time to time. You're the reason why this country is so polarized and empty minded and just plain ****in stupid. You immediatly assume that because I agree with someones issues means I want to suddently hop in bed with this person. Why?

you started an argument with me based on their right to enforce their beliefs on us

No! WHERE DID I SAY THAT. I said I AGREED with them on two issues. Nothing more. I disagree, fundamentally, with religious groups in general.

 

[bvasgm]

People like this shouldn't be allowed near a voting booth. Also, kmack, just because gh0st supports two of their views, doesn't mean she spports them.

 

[gh0st]

People like this shouldn't be allowed near a voting booth. Also, kmack, just because gh0st supports two of their views, doesn't mean she spports them.

Thanks for renewing my faith in mankind.

 

[bvasgm]

No problem...by the way..pope russel crowe?

 

[gh0st]

No problem...by the way..pope russel crowe?

I edited!

 

[bvasgm]

But not quickly enough.

 

[operative x]

Science says life doesnt start till several weeks into a pregnancy, the bible says its instant, now why is it the free citizens of the USA should be forced to obey something they do not believe in?

Well according to science, males and females are created to mate with each other, not males on males or females on females. Its abnormal and unnatural (according to science), IMHO i think they are just confused people.

 

[gh0st]

Well according to science, males and females are created to mate with each other, not males on males or females on females. Its abnormal and unnatural (according to science), IMHO i think they are just confused people.

NO NO!!! But.. there are gay WHALES! Yep! That makes it natural!

 

[Spartacus]

You are missing what he is saying. By making abortions illegal, you are forcing your idea upon those that want to have abortions. Same with gay marriage. Whether or not the hooker down the street gets an abortion does not effect your life in any way, nor would two gay men getting married. By trying to make those two things illegal, you are taking away their rights, and forcing your own ideas upon them. Thats what he is trying to say.

 

[The Monkey]

I can kinda understand how people are against abortion, but are you really against gay people having sex? How do you defend that? So much for the land of freedom... :upstare:

 

[Mith']

I don't get this abortion thing. Why do you want to force a woman to give birth of a baby she doesn't want? Why do you want to take away her control of her own body?
But this isn't the abortion thread.. OS I'll just leave it.. ("You" not meaning The_Monkey)

 

[$kelet0r]

Abortion is a thorny issue and while I support it with reservations I am regularly reminded of how I am unable to argue with any conviction for it
people who are against it full stop are generally idiots or somewhat narow sighted and those who are for it unconditionally are generally fools
Somewhere inbetween is where most people should lie - abortion has pros and cons that everyone should recognise

 

[Direwolf]

I'm not really all that concerned about people like this, since they are such a relative minority. If they try to push it too far the backlash would be massive. Believe it or not, most Americans are normal and rational people, who don't have much of a penchant for putting up with silliness like that.

As for gay marriage....I don't have a problem with it. I'm proud to say that CT just passed a law permitting civil unions that have all the marks of marriage. I imagine the problem is that most people have just never been knowingly exposed to someone's who is gay. They instead have to base their opinions on stereotypes and conjecture, until they actually meet a gay person and realize they're exactly the same as everyone else.

 

[No Limit]

1) I'm not "for" these whackos

You are not for these wackos? Other than the way they are trying to take over the goverment can you tell me what you disagree on with them? To me saying abortions and gay sex should be a felony is pretty wacko in my book and you agree with it. So what do you not agree with these wackos on?

 

[Direwolf]

Maybe that you shouldn't go out in public yelling your head off so you can force people to think the way you do? Trying to use innocent people as pawns in the national media? Effecting change through brute force? Total lack of toleration for others?
People are defined by people other than politics. Just because someone shares their views doesn't mean they are as ubalanced, ignorant, or insane as these people.

 

[kmack]

Well according to science, males and females are created to mate with each other, not males on males or females on females. Its abnormal and unnatural (according to science), IMHO i think they are just confused people.

fyi, humans are not the only species that uses homosexuality (yes i said uses) mice have been known to do it when they are overpopulated, just something to think about. personally i dont like homosexuality, it seems to go against everything in th enatural world (our main purpose is just to send along our genes, homosexuals cant) but they should be able to do whatever makes them happy.

NO NO!!! But.. there are gay WHALES! Yep! That makes it natural!

its population control. good point.