The Soham Murder Trial

[Chris D]

Not sure if the Brits here follow the news much or if international people have heard about it or not but the murder trial against Ian Huntley, man accused of murdering 10year old girls, Holly and Jessica, started yesterday. Just wondered what everyone's views were on it.

I've just heard that: "...Huntley is unlikely to deny that Holly and Jessica died while they were alone with him in his house"

****ing bastard.

Wish they'd bring back capital punishment in this country for crimes like that.

I know it's been a year since it all happened, but my heart still goes out to those poor parents and families.

 

[LoneDeranger]

Well this must be a capital punishment debate then, because I don't think anyone will disagree with you regarding the girls being murdered.

 

[SpuD]

Something very similar happened right here in Oregon.
Im sure all of you in the states have heard of it, but the house where it happened is about 10 min away from me.

The ward wever(sp) guy, kidnapped and killed 2 teenage girls, choped them up, put them in buckets, then burried them under his driveway.

His court trials are starting now too.

****ing sick bastard

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Capital punishment is outlawed there? What the hell? Everyone seems to be wanting to help criminals for some reason. Scurry

 

[Murray_H]

Originally posted by Chris_D
Not sure if the Brits here follow the news much or if international people have heard about it or not but the murder trial against Ian Huntley, man accused of murdering 10year old girls, Holly and Jessica, started yesterday. Just wondered what everyone's views were on it.

I've just heard that: "...Huntley is unlikely to deny that Holly and Jessica died while they were alone with him in his house"

****ing bastard.

Wish they'd bring back capital punishment in this country for crimes like that.

I know it's been a year since it all happened, but my heart still goes out to those poor parents and families.

Freaky, i was gonna start a discussion leading from the trial into captial punishment

Anyways, twat should burn in hell, but no captial punishment for him. I'm sure some one will sort him out in prison (that is if he doesnt kid on that he is insane again)

 

[Alzxul]

Has anyone seen The Life Of David Gale? I thought that dealt with the pros and cons of capital punishment quite well. tbh though I haven't really followed this case much, I usually skip it when I see it in the papers.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by RakuraiTenjin
Capital punishment is outlawed there? What the hell? Everyone seems to be wanting to help criminals for some reason. Scurry

It's sad to say but in the UK, if your a criminal the law seems to favor you. Unless there's some big changes the worst Huntley can expect is to spend the rest of his life in a plush prison cell, with a computer, TV, DVD's and other things many other people wont even have. Though saying that, I wouldn't be surprised if the sh*t gets away with pleading insanity and ends up in some minimum security hospital

I agree they should bring back capital punishment.. At the same time though, I don't think he deserves a quick death that would bring. He should be made to suffer for a lifetime. Unfortunately there are people in this country who seem to think that would be wrong and would kick up a fuss and save him. So the bastard will end up with a reasonably good life behind bars for what he did. Makes me sick.. It's like those two kids who killed the toddler few years back. They got a few years in juvi where they had lots of holidays and days out, all the newest gear. On their release they and their families were relocated, their identities changed, new homes bought for them, all at the tax payers expense to protect them. What have the victims got? Squat, not even justice


Thats my views on it anyway. The government and legal system is far too soft on criminals in this country

 

[Chris D]

Originally posted by RakuraiTenjin
Capital punishment is outlawed there? What the hell? Everyone seems to be wanting to help criminals for some reason. Scurry

The cops don't even carry guns.

 

[Murray_H]

In my opinion the 'po leece' don't need guns as of yet

 

[Chris D]

I don't think it'll be too long. Especially not with the amount of gun crimes we seem to be getting in this country at the moment. There were 3 gun incidents, all unrelated, within days of each other one week last month.

EDIT: All three of them in my city btw.

 

[Alzxul]

I've seen more armed police squads recently (well hey I live in Camden :x ), but I don't think all police officers carrying firearms is a good thing. I'm glad everyone in this country doesn't have the right to own a firearm, and I don't think the police need to have them on our streets either.
Also about bringing back capital punishment, I would defintely have to say no. What if some of the evidence was wrong? Are you really justified in killing someone anyway? Also as someone posted earlier, surely it's just better to let the people suffer in prison for the rest of their lives (the hypothetical prison).

 

[Prince of China]

I suspect some hollywood fag is gonna make another story based on these events.
Reminds me of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre-er-er-re.

:O:dork:


...er

 

[Murray_H]

Originally posted by Tredoslop
I suspect some hollywood fag is gonna make another story based on these events.
Reminds me of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre-er-er-re.

:O:dork:


...er

It's more the style of ITV to make a "drama premiere" of this type of story starring some of the 'finest' British Actors.....

Police with guns = intimidated criminals = more guns going off

 

[Chris D]

That's true actually Murray, I'm sure we'll see the whole thing on telly once we know the truth.

And that about the police is true. Police shouldn't be allowed guns, unless they're specialist units of course.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by Murray_H
It's more the style of ITV to make a "drama premiere" of this type of story starring some of the 'finest' British Actors.....

Police with guns = intimidated criminals = more guns going off

oh yes ITV would love to do something about it. and you can bet those "finest" british actors end up being the usual crowd of has beans and ex-EastEnders. So probably expect Dean Gaffney to be in it


Edit: Didn't they try something similar with some other high profile murder cases recently too?

 

[Chris D]

There was one a few months ago with that Joanne Foggat in. (she was in Coronation St first, then Bad Girls after that during the first series. Pretty little blonde girl). Basically it was a true story of how this bloke got murdered in what appeared to be a road rage incident blah blah... I can't remember the full story but it was a lot deeper than that and she ended up having to go into hiding and stuff after they found out who the murderer was.

Was a good story, I guess.

 

[Direwolf]

Capital punishment is a tough call. Theres certainly people who deserve it (here in the US the Green River killer just plead guilty to 48 murders). But its an awful risk to kill an innocent man.
I have to be on the side of the current system in the US, where police do carry guns (along with nonlethals). I don't presume to know much about crime in the UK, but it does seem that more often than not any serious US criminal is more heavily armed than your average police officer.
Its a valid point that perhaps criminals wouldnt carry guns if the cops didn't, but I'd think it more likely that criminals would instead see that as a way to get away with more than they currently can.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Weird..unarmed police. What happens if like.. they serve an arrest warrent and the guy gets ultra violent? (Not just confrontational.. but like. RAGE!!! KILL STAB SHOOT RAR)

 

[LoneDeranger]

Yeah, thats pretty bizzare .. what do they do .. like hit people with batons?

 

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by RakuraiTenjin
Weird..unarmed police. What happens if like.. they serve an arrest warrent and the guy gets ultra violent? (Not just confrontational.. but like. RAGE!!! KILL STAB SHOOT RAR)

they call in armed backup.. but in the meantime they litterally have nothing but battons (sticks) and maybe pepper spray stuff vs all kinds of firearms.. Most don't even get to wear bullet proof jackets... And we're supposed to believe these people can protect the general public heh

 

[Murray_H]

Originally posted by RakuraiTenjin
Weird..unarmed police. What happens if like.. they serve an arrest warrent and the guy gets ultra violent? (Not just confrontational.. but like. RAGE!!! KILL STAB SHOOT RAR)

Then you call for an ARU (Armed Response Unit) who are trained to deal with these situations and resolve them peacefully. But if they can't resolve it (edit) peacefully, they are trained to take down anyone with minimum fuss and no 'friendly' casualties

I think this system works better than having your average bobby on the beat firing pot-shots at a criminal and making the whole situation 100x worse

 

[Chris D]

Fen, I think they all have to wear bullet/stab proof vests now.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by Chris_D
Fen, I think they all have to wear bullet/stab proof vests now.

They do? Must just be a few in my area that don't all the time yet then, its not "too" violent up here so I guess they can afford to drag their feet a little longer.. Though funny thing is up in yorkshire is where the first police dogs have started getting protective clothing.. kinda funny the animals for once are put before people

 

[Direwolf]

Originally posted by Murray_H
I think this system works better than having your average bobby on the beat firing pot-shots at a criminal and making the whole situation 100x worse

The idea is that you train them to not do that. Thus why most US cops also carry nonlethals like mace, and night sticks. The idea of an ARU is essentially the same as SWAT, which is called in whenever a situation can be contained long enough for them to respond.
Edit: And the bullet-proof vest thing surprises me. I live in a really quiet town in CT, and even most of our cops wear vests when responding to a lot of calls.

 

[Chris D]

Originally posted by Fenric1138
They do? Must just be a few in my area that don't all the time yet then, its not "too" violent up here so I guess they can afford to drag their feet a little longer.. Though funny thing is up in yorkshire is where the first police dogs have started getting protective clothing.. kinda funny the animals for once are put before people

Actually, I've probably just been watching too many episodes of "The Bill".

 

[Murray_H]

But the thing is, give someone a gun + a lot of adrenaline and who kows what the hell will happen

 

[Direwolf]

Isn't that the problem in the first place?
Criminals with weapons? If we're going to trust anyone with a weapon at all, it has to be the police.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by Chris_D
Actually, I've probably just been watching too many episodes of "The Bill".

hehe I got really into that show once, then lost interest in it suddenly.. Thinking about it though I think it was probably down to a certain few atractive actresses that were in it at the time, don't remember their names though, names didn't really seem important heheh

 

[Kadayi]

Originally posted by Direwolf
Capital punishment is a tough call. Theres certainly people who deserve it (here in the US the Green River killer just plead guilty to 48 murders).

They finally caught the green river killer? I heard about them years back, weren't they the longest running serial killer in the states?

With regard to the murder of the girls, I've been trying to stay away from the papers. I find the press tend to linger a little too long on the morbid details for my liking nowadays (the same way I don't see why the TV News people need to show us video footage of people laughing and joking who have subsequently been killed).

I'm not in favour of Capital punishment, because to my mind for someone who will probably spend the rest of their life in prison, a painless death is probably an act of mercy they don't deserve.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Originally posted by Murray_H
Then you call for an ARU (Armed Response Unit) who are trained to deal with these situations and resolve them peacefully. But if they can't resolve it (edit) peacefully, they are trained to take down anyone with minimum fuss and no 'friendly' casualties

I think this system works better than having your average bobby on the beat firing pot-shots at a criminal and making the whole situation 100x worse

I don't mean he's threatening. I mean if he lunges, and ATTACKS. If he's getting a warrent, and he's determines not go back to prison, he could be crazy enough to kill the policeman and then flee the area.

What does the policeman do... I don't think a club/sprays are enough in a situation where someone is DETERMINED to kill you.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov

I'm not in favour of Capital punishment, because to my mind for someone who will probably spend the rest of their life in prison, a painless death is probably an act of mercy they don't deserve.

Yep, I want life to mean life inprisonment...

Anyway, with regards to Ian Huntley, this story broke while I was on holiday quite near Soham... and consequently, the news was full of it. I think there must be something wrong with this guy, I mean who the hell goes an murders two little girls for no apparent reason.... it's sickening

 

[MrD]

Originally posted by Chris_D
Not sure if the Brits here follow the news much or if international people have heard about it or not but the murder trial against Ian Huntley, man accused of murdering 10year old girls, Holly and Jessica, started yesterday. Just wondered what everyone's views were on it.

I've just heard that: "...Huntley is unlikely to deny that Holly and Jessica died while they were alone with him in his house"

****ing bastard.

Wish they'd bring back capital punishment in this country for crimes like that.

I know it's been a year since it all happened, but my heart still goes out to those poor parents and families.

Well the captial punishment thing can only really be safe if you are 100% sure that someone did something. How can you ever be 100% sure?

It makes me worry.