the US has 5% of the world's population but 25% of the world's prisoners

[CptStern]

.. the United States leads the world in producing prisoners, a reflection of a relatively recent and now entirely distinctive American approach to crime and punishment. Americans are locked up for crimes ? from writing bad checks to using drugs ? that would rarely produce prison sentences in other countries. And in particular they are kept incarcerated far longer than prisoners in other nations.

Criminologists and legal scholars in other industrialized nations say they are mystified and appalled by the number and length of American prison sentences.

The United States has, for instance, 2.3 million criminals behind bars, more than any other nation, according to data maintained by the International Center for Prison Studies at King?s College London.

China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison.


The United States comes in first, too, on a more meaningful list from the prison studies center, the one ranked in order of the incarceration rates. It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. (If you count only adults, one in 100 Americans is locked up.)

The only other major industrialized nation that even comes close is Russia, with 627 prisoners for every 100,000 people. The others have much lower rates. England?s rate is 151; Germany?s is 88; and Japan?s is 63.

The median among all nations is about 125, roughly a sixth of the American rate.

china of all places, they execute more than 10,000 per year ..something is definately wrong in the land of the red white and blue

btw I'm going to the US this weekend (shopping/terror attack) ..I wouldnt dream of bringing some funny tobacco because I'd probably be shot dead as soon as it's discovered ..coming in to canada the border guard upon finding it would probably ask if he could have some*

disclaimer: certain liberties have been taken in the above statement for the sake of kneejerkism

 

[kirovman]

They're just really good at catching criminals. Or creating them.

 

[Dan]

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139506
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[CptStern]

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139506
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hey if the NY times can plagiarize themselves I dont see why I cant :E

 

[No Limit]

And we laugh about it all the way to the bank.

 

[Eejit]

Bscly they should just make Madagascar a great big global prison colony. Those Nazis had great ideas sometimes, they were just thinking about sending the wrong group of people there! Let the Lemurs take care of them.

 

[Tyguy]

i like carlin's idea...take the state of kansas, tell everybody to leave but give them a few hundred dollars for their trouble. Then you put a fence around the entire state. Once a month a gate opens for 5 seconds and if they can get out, they're free

 

[CptStern]

...but then they would get out!

will there be a machine gun nest placed near the exit?

 

[Eejit]

To the left and the right of the stage are the machine gun nests, belt-fed M-2 Brownings. These babies tend to heat up, so shoot in three-second bursts.

 

[Tyguy]

...but then they would get out!

will there be a machine gun nest placed near the exit?

Nah, think about it. How many people would die that time of month trying to get out? Keep in mind, this gate is only big enough for a single person to go through. If they can manage not to be stabbed, shot, raped, etc....i think they won their freedom.

 

[CptStern]

ya but at least 2-3 people can/will escape ..and they're most likely at the top of their food chain


machine gun nest ftw as far as I'm concerned

To the left and the right of the stage are the machine gun nests, belt-fed M-2 Brownings. These babies tend to heat up, so shoot in three-second bursts.

I suggest 4 machine gun nest in case of tandem overheating

 

[Tyguy]

once you get thousands/millions of prisoners at this one gate, the ranks will shatter and it's every man for himself. Honestly, i dont see a single person escaping unless you form some kind of system where they would let people go. In that case, machine gun nest.

basically, if they get out, we hunt them down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaExrlI1kb4

 

[CptStern]

it'll be like the who concert all over again ..there's always one who'll slip by ...I'm just trying to play it safe ..perhaps I'm being too cautious but drastic times call for drastic measures





perhaps we should dig a moat ..do lions swim?

 

[xcellerate]

They're just really good at catching criminals. Or creating them.

or something slightly more racist...

Out of a total population of 1,976,019 incarcerated in adult facilities, 1,239,946 or 63 percent are black or Latino, though these two groups constitute only 25 percent of the national population.

 

[Irksome]

You want to know why we have the most prisoners? Because we actually send them to jail when they do - yanno, bad things. Unlike in Yurp, and Canadia were you let baby rapists and car jerkers go free because they super duper swear with sprinkles on top to never do it again.

Sorry our huge hardons for law and order make you fur-in-urs, green with envy.

 

[Pesmerga]

Irksome, we all kind of prefer it when you don't post.

 

[Sulkdodds]

One speculates that if this trend continues, it may spread across the world, to the extent that we may even be facing...a prison planet?

You want to know why we have the most prisoners? Because we actually send them to jail when they do - yanno, bad things. Unlike in Yurp, and Canadia were you let baby rapists and car jerkers go free because they super duper swear with sprinkles on top to never do it again.

Sorry our huge hardons for law and order make you fur-in-urs, green with envy.

Except that Britain has a prisons crisis because the government is forcing the judiciary to imprison more people, and the massive gaol population in the US is explicitly due to custodial sentences being imposed for small offences, like clerk fraud and small-scale drugs supply, rather than really heinous ones?

 

[CptStern]

You want to know why we have the most prisoners? Because we actually send them to jail when they do - yanno, bad things. Unlike in Yurp, and Canadia were you let baby rapists and car jerkers go free because they super duper swear with sprinkles on top to never do it again.

Sorry our huge hardons for law and order make you fur-in-urs, green with envy.

ahem ..

Americans are locked up for crimes ? from writing bad checks to using drugs ? that would rarely produce prison sentences in other countries. And in particular they are kept incarcerated far longer than prisoners in other nations.

 

[Krynn72]

America just wants attention. Its Munchausen Syndrome by proxy on a national scale.

 

[Irksome]

ahem ..

What do I care about "other countries", last time I checked "other countries" weren't super powers.

 

[Sulkdodds]

And next time you check, something may have happened to your own.

 

[kirovman]

You want to know why we have the most prisoners? Because we actually send them to jail when they do - yanno, bad things. Unlike in Yurp, and Canadia were you let baby rapists and car jerkers go free because they super duper swear with sprinkles on top to never do it again.

Sorry our huge hardons for law and order make you fur-in-urs, green with envy.

Thing is, you're not only being compared to Europe and Canada, but places like Iran, North Korea, China, and the whole world.

 

[Dan]

We should outsource our prisons to India.

 

[Eejit]

What do I care about "other countries", last time I checked "other countries" weren't super powers.

Remember how the economy of that other super-power collapsed due to too high a proportion of the budget spent on the military?
Yeah... you might want to watch out for that.

 

[Saturos]

Remember how the economy of that other super-power collapsed due to too high a proportion of the budget spent on the military?
Yeah... you might want to watch out for that.

Actually, under normal circumstances, war would really boosten the economy, (take WW2 for instance), but nowadays since many U.S. corporations outsourced many of it's manufacturing jobs to "other" countries, the U.S. is basically writing "bad-checks", when spending money on war efforts.

Outsourcing will be the primary cause of it's economic collapse tbh. Too many douchebag CEO's only concerned with the, "here and now" and not the future.

a.k.a. the, "How can I make a buck now and screw everyone else" mentality.

 

[Eejit]

Actually, under normal circumstances, war would really boosten the economy, (take WW2 for instance)

Only to a certain level of spending.
Take the collapse of the USSR for instance, they were spending 25% of their GDP on defense by the end of the Cold War.
Of course the effect is probably exacerbated in a Communist economy, but the point stands.

 

[Saturos]

Of course the effect is probably exacerbated in a Communist economy, but the point stands.

Agreed. Communism + War = Fail

Also, with the current state of outsourcing here, the praised and powerful Capitalism doesn't seem too much more than a loud fart these days.

Capitalism - Federal restrictions on corporate outsourcing = Fail

Now, the two side-by-side:

Communism + War = Fail
Capitalism - Federal restrictions on corporate outsourcing = Fail

Not much different really.

All for the banment of outsourcing SAY I!!!

 

[CptStern]

We should outsource our prisons to India.

I dont see why not, you already outsource to syria, uzbekistan, pakistan, egypt, jordan, saudi arabia etc etc ..so one more isnt that big a deal

 

[Eejit]

Agreed. Communism + War = Fail

Also, with the current state of outsourcing here, the praised and powerful Capitalism doesn't seem too much more than a loud fart these days.

Capitalism - Federal restrictions on corporate outsourcing = Fail

No, Communism + COLD War = Fail.
They're quite different situations imo. The various Communist states (China, N. Korea, USSR etc) handled open-warfare pretty well. A never-ending escalation is a different story.

 

[Saturos]

No, Communism + COLD War = Fail.
They're quite different situations imo. The various Communist states (China, N. Korea, USSR etc) handled open-warfare pretty well. A never-ending escalation is a different story.

A cold war is basically a stillborn war then right? All the trade embargos and such in an attempt to deplete enemy forces from goods, as well as the arms race, but nothing ever comes out of any of it but economic misery as all those war spendings were squandered, thus a collapse.

 

[Solaris]

Agreed. Communism + War = Fail

During the civil war socialist russia was essentically running the same economic model as Great Britian to fund the war effort - state capitalism.

 

[Mr Stabby]

Actually, under normal circumstances, war would really boosten the economy, (take WW2 for instance), but nowadays since many U.S. corporations outsourced many of it's manufacturing jobs to "other" countries, the U.S. is basically writing "bad-checks", when spending money on war efforts.

War is very bad economically. America only benefited economically from world war II from selling supplies to the United Kingdom and the USSR. The United Kingdom was basically bankrupted by WW2.

Money put into the war fund never comes back (unless it's imperialism ie taking another countries resources) , money put into Highways for an example will lead to an increase in overall capital and is a return investment.

Communist states actually fair better in a war, due to their control over the economy and society, The USSR recovered economically quickly from the initial German invasion, because any worker that wasn't willing to work 7 days a week, with little food an no pay, was shot.

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During the civil war socialist russia was essentically running the same economic model as Great Britian to fund the war effort - state capitalism.

No it wasn't.