Tibetan freedom......?

[Nemesis6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS-1wiwxJxE

Personally I've leaned against them being "free" as in free of China, because that would probably get some person like the Dalai Lama back in power, and as a result, a theocracy ahoy!

What about you?

 

[kirovman]

I dunno.

They are probably better off now than if they hadn't been part of China for 50 years, but that's still no excuse for repression of peaceful dissent.

 

[99.vikram]

It sounds great in theory, but Tibet couldn't muster any respectable military of it's own. It would become just another failed democracy.

 

[Tyguy]

shave tibet!

 

[Irksome]

I'm for Tibet being used as a tool by the CIA.

 

[15357]

^ Hey, me too.


Also, I support the armed resistance and subsequent liberation of Tibet from the evil communist chinese, who oppress freedom, destroy liberty, and eat babies.

 

[AiM]

I dunno.

They are probably better off now than if they hadn't been part of China for 50 years, but that's still no excuse for repression of peaceful dissent.

This.

On one hand, the standard of living has probably been raised with at least a stable supply of food rations for the area. But on the other, they have to compete with Chinese who have expanded into the area and of course, rights issues.

 

[Gray Fox]

The same arguments made in video could have been made for the preservation of the colonies by the
western governments. All of them were barbaric shit holes before we came.
But regardless of that it did not justify our exploitation of the land and it's people, nor was
it relevant to the struggle for independence, seeing as by that time they wanted to establish a
democracy for themselves by themselves much like the Tibetans want now.

It's not that it isn't true what he is saying, it's just that it doesn't bare much
relevance to what he is arguing against. Nobody in the movements who fight for better human rights in
tibet and more sovereignty wants the situation to go back the way it was in the feudal system. Nor does
the dalai lama, he has garnered much support in the west because his ideas are much more in tune with
what we in the west consider a just society.

To go even further the Dalai Lama does not even necessarily want independence, this is a statement he
made in 2005

"We are willing to be part of the People's Republic of China, to have it govern and
guarantee to preserve our Tibetan culture, spirituality and our environment," he told the
South China Morning Post.

les sauce

And this is pretty much what the different movements, that are drawing attention and demonstrating, want.
I won't argue against Tibetan sovereignty on the account of what they did before they were colonized in
the same way that I would not have argued against Indian, Indonesian, Vietnamese etc... independence.

As a human being I can also imagine it would be horrible if another country invaded mine,
repressed my culture, in fact I don't even like the relatively small changes being made
to accommodate legal Muslim immigrants, which oddly enough people agree with me on,
so I definitely see what the Chinese have done as an injustice.

What''s also important to note is the fact that china is actively profiting from a military
invasion of another country which is bad, and our tolerance of it sets a bad precedent,
especially seeing as china is growing so powerful. I seem to vaguely remember a man in
europe wanting to reunite his people, we tolerated him, and see what happened. Albeit he
had killed much less people then the Chinese when he made his demands.

The best arguments I can imagine being made against Tibetan independence, are arguing
that it will go down the shit hole as much Africa has done. And the fact that the immigrant
Chinese population is larger then the indigenous Tibetans.

The latter, while being a good argument against total Tibetan independence also makes it
more urgent to bring the poor human rights issue and inequality between the populations
on the table.

 

[Dan]

Before China opened up Tibet, Tibet was a theocratic cesspool, with a bloated population of monks and nuns living as parasites off of the peasants who were kept suppressed with religious education. They isolated the population from every possible outside influence to keep the people ignorant of their situation. Lots of dissidents got thrown off of the walls. It was not a fun place.

 

[el Chi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS-1wiwxJxE

Personally I've leaned against them being "free" as in free of China, because that would probably get some person like the Dalai Lama back in power, and as a result, a theocracy ahoy!

What about you?

Usually I'm vehemently against theocracies but you could do a lot worse than a Buddhist one.
Besides which, that's infinitely preferable to the oppression, displacement, exploitation and borderline ethnic cleansing that the Tibetan people have endured under Chinese rule.

 

[kirovman]

Tibetan Flags = Made in China