Top Five Rock Icons of All Time
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1. Kurt Cobain
2. Jimmy Page
3. Elvis
4. John Lennon
5. Kirk Hammet
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2. Jimmy Page
3. Elvis
4. John Lennon
5. Kirk Hammet
(in no particular order)
mortiz said:Kurt Cobain
I personally couldn't stand Nirvana, he got famous and idolized for playing out of tune.
Exactly. Music in the 80's was overly concerned with style and flair. The 80's were a time of 3 minute guitar solos and synthesizers and studio perfection. Frankly, people got tired of it. Artists at the time thought that the ticket for good music was perfection and playing difficulty, no missed notes, no note off key. Bam, here come Nirvana, the first mainstream band in some time to have a huge hit single that didn't sound bubbly. It was real and raw and the people loved it.
So yeah, of course Nirvana is overrated. There were bands before them that did what they did much better (Pixies anyone?), but they were the band that changed music, and for that, Kurt Cobain is an excellent choice for rock icon.
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5. Andrew Wood (well... if it wasn't for the overdose...)
4. Jim Morrison
3. Freddie Mercury
2. Kurt Cobain
1. John Lennon
4. Jim Morrison
3. Freddie Mercury
2. Kurt Cobain
1. John Lennon
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Debbie Harry (of Blondie)
David Bowie
Jimi Hendrix
Pete Doherty
Debbie Harry (of Blondie)
David Bowie
Jimi Hendrix
Pete Doherty
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Pete...Doherty?
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Come on, what of it?
I know he's a junkie, a crook and whatever, but I think Libertines' songs are special...
I know he's a junkie, a crook and whatever, but I think Libertines' songs are special...
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He was respected for, what, two months? Hardly the rock icon, let alone in the top five.
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Says who? You.
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KagePrototype said:
He was respected?
As far as I was aware he has always been nothing more than a petty criminal with a nasty drug addiction.
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Zerimski said:
Well if that's the case, how do you think is it that you've heard of him?
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Because he was a petty criminal with a nasty drug addiction, who was continually idolised by indie magazines because his band sounded sorta like The Clash. What makes you think he'd get to be one of the top 5 rock icons of all time, when every other name mentioned in this thread has a few hundred times more respect than he's ever had?
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Sorry, am I missing something? I thought that all the other posts here had been about what people's rock icons were? So "he'd get to be one" because I chose him for my list.
Is that alright with you? Do I need your permission to put him in my own list, even if he's not as recognised as all the others people have mentioned, and even though you seem to have a personal hatred for him, despite clearly having very little actual knowledge what you're talking about?
Is that alright with you? Do I need your permission to put him in my own list, even if he's not as recognised as all the others people have mentioned, and even though you seem to have a personal hatred for him, despite clearly having very little actual knowledge what you're talking about?
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pomegranate said:
I'm not disputing your right to put him in your own personal rock icons list. I do however reserve the right to dispute that he should be in anyones list. That is the nature of debate, and I'm afraid that if you cannot handle that in a civilised manner then you shouldn't join in the first place. At no point did I make a personal comment about you, simply about Doherty's status as a "rock icon". Also, I'm sorry but the "do I need your permission blah blah etc etc!?!?!" argument makes you seem like an ill-informed cretin, who cannot form a basic argument to back up their statement.
You claim that Pete Doherty is a "rock icon". I debate that fact presenting the evidence that he is nothing more than a petty criminal with a nasty drug addiction and no musical ability, other than shouting and starting fights with the crowd and his bandmates.
And now I present my sources:
If you search BBC News you'll find many other similar reports.
For christ's sake, the guy burgled his bandmate to pay for his heroin addiction. That's pretty damn low.
Oh, and have you read his poetry? :x
Infamy is an entirely different thing from fame. For example, I have also heard of Chris De Burgh and Phil Collins, does that make them worthwhile icons?
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Zerimski said:
Er, I'm sorry but I don't recall joining a debate per se. I simply gave my choices, to which you responded disrespectfully by scornfully attacking one of said choices. I'd be more inclined to believe you were interested in a debate if you'd perhaps asked me for an explanation, rather than just being rude and then expecting me to respond politely. I know you didn't make a personal comment towards me, but your reply (#16) seemed to suggest I'd done something wrong and offensive by saying that Doherty is one of my icons. At least pretend to have respect for other people's opinions, even if you don't like them.
Besides, I'm not for a moment interested in debating my choices - they are MY personal rock icons, and I don't need to justify them.
These are the rock artists who I like best - there's no argument to be had about that. Disagree all you like.
All I will add is that criticising Pete Doherty for being a drug user is a bit odd when we're talking about rock icons - how many of the other people that have been suggested had been heroin users/addicts?
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Debate is the nature of a forum, it is a place for open discussion and debate. And I respect your right to have an opinion, but I do not necessarilly have to respect the opinion itself.
I'm well aware that an extremely high proportion of people mentioned in this thread have at one time been, or still are engaged in dangerous drug habits. However, not all of them have stooped to burglary and petty theft to pay for them. That is my main problem with Doherty. As far as I'm concerned, he is nothing more than a petty criminal and an NME Darling, two facts which mean that I will never be able to respect him.
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The Libertines were absolutely awesome. Pete's a twat. He's a selfish moron who let his fantasies catch up with him and then shunned his loved ones at a time when he needed them most. He single-handedly destroyed one of the best British rock 'n' roll bands for a long time, only to start a band that was surprisingly similar except not quite as good and he still played Libs songs. The main difference? He could still f*ck himself up on skag. Hoo-f*cking-ray.pomegranate said:
I can see why he could be classed as an icon, and I can see him - and The Libs in general - becoming iconic for years to come of the new wave of Brit rock 'n' roll.
But he's still a tw*t.
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