Unveling a new sig , and hating Michael Moore.

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( 6/17/2003 ) Michael Moore managed to insult his own workers, enlarge his reputation for hypocrisy and attack some of the most beloved heroes of our time. The guy sure knows how to start the year out on the wrong foot.
Moore's liberal allies inevitably back him when he lashes out at President Bush. But even his leftist buddies would probably agree that some humble pie-eating and Lott-sized apologies are in order this time.

It seems the portly propaganda pusher recently attacked the self-sacrificing souls of Flight 93.

According to a columnist from the British Independent, Moore described the 9/11 brave-hearts as "scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes." (From an article dated January 14, 2003)
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Michael Moore has to be the most applauded liar and idiot I have ever seen. His movie Bowling for Columbine won an Oscar , for LYING :-/ It aggrivates me that so many still believe what he says , and its too bad I never have the energy to tell them that his whole movie , and his book are bullsht.
 
So you can see my sig Ill post here.

BTW- The 4 line limit is great , I can barely put anything in my sig.
 
***WARNING FLAME BAIT DETECTED***

Be careful, this thread could quickly go down the virtual toilet.

Personally I don't like the guy, although he has brought up some good points in the past.
 
Originally posted by DimitriPopov
Michael Moore has to be the most applauded liar and idiot I have ever seen. His movie Bowling for Columbine won an Oscar , for LYING :-/ It aggrivates me that so many still believe what he says , and its too bad I never have the energy to tell them that his whole movie , and his book are bullsht.
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I completely agree! Looks like you and I are on the same page, once again. :)
 
yup michael moore is a retard... I'm a leftist and i've always thought that he was a goof

I say:
"michael moore is the george bush of the left wing liberalists"
 
I've never seen the movie, but from what I understand he's a dumbass.
 
Originally posted by LoneDeranger
I've never seen the movie, but from what I understand he's a dumbass.
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maybe you should seek out some actual experience on which to base your "understanding". michael moore is a filmmaker, so naturally he's going to have a point of view and manipulate facts to present his take on things. everybody does that. would some of you guys mind pointing out exact details from 'bowling for columbine' that are examples of "lying"?

michael is kinda a dufus at times, but so what? i suppose those documentaries about the effects of american companies shipping jobs to mexico by conservatives are better.. oh wait.. oh well maybe the documentaries about gun-violence and fear as a commodity in america that fox news made are.. oh, umm, no... yeah. point is these are real issues and it's good someone is talking about them.

moore has opinions and presents the world he sees in a way that supports his opinions. every single person alive does this anytime they form a ****ing belief. anyone who fancies otherwise is living in a dream world.
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
michael moore is a filmmaker, so naturally he's going to have a point of view and manipulate facts to present his take on things. everybody does that. would some of you guys mind pointing out exact details from 'bowling for columbine' that are examples of "lying"?
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His film was a DOCUMENTARY , its stupposed to be FACTs , not cutting a Charlton Heston speech into a speech that took part at a different time and place to make your point , that is not reporting that is damn propagada. Maybe you should read bowlingfortruth.com , its pretty much everything there Timmy Texas.
 
Originally posted by DimitriPopov
His film was a DOCUMENTARY , its stupposed to be FACTs , not cutting a Charlton Heston speech into a speech that took part at a different time and place to make your point , that is not reporting that is damn propagada. Maybe you should read bowlingfortruth.com , its pretty much everything there Timmy Texas.
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anyone who thinks documentaries are suposed to be, or even capable of being, wrote fact doesn't understand how these things are made. every documentary manipulates the truth to make an entertaining product. of course it's propaganda, every documentary is. i'm familiar with the website you mentioned. while i haven't read the whole site, i think i've read enought to know where they're coming from. are you saying thet i should accept the website version of reality as unmitigated truth? obviously they have no particular bias, right? a lot of the complaints on that site amount to contentions with moore's reasoning more than his presentation of 'facts'. so, popov, do you, like that sites creators apparently, believe that video games were instrumental in creating the columbine killings?

i'm not saying moore is a prophet or anything, but at least someone is talking about these things. form your own opinions (this is just a general comment, not directed at anyone in particular). don't take what more says as perfect truth, nor what you read on a website, nor what you see on the news. use your mind once in awhile.

edit: what is "timmy texas" a reference to?
 
As far as gun control goes, just read the 2nd amendment. It's pretty much spelled out for you.
 
Originally posted by LoneDeranger
As far as gun control goes, just read the 2nd amendment. It's pretty much spelled out for you.
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it's not about gun control, it's about gun violence in america. have you seen the movie yet? gun control isn't really a theme of the movie at all.
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy

edit: what is "timmy texas" a reference to?
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I like to call people "Tex" or "Texas" , timmy texas just had a ring to it lol :)


As for the rest , its time for bed.
 
Originally posted by DimitriPopov
As for the rest , its time for bed.
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now that's a fact we can agree on.

i'm fine with being called 'Tex", go ahead and refer to me just as Tex in the future. that'd be awesome.

edit: text --> tex
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
it's not about gun control, it's about gun violence in america. have you seen the movie yet? gun control isn't really a theme of the movie at all.
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Yes, I'm fully aware of the amount of gun violence in America. But if he actually has a different solution then gun-control I'll be pretty damn surprised.
 
Originally posted by LoneDeranger
Yes, I'm fully aware of the amount of gun violence in America. But if he actually has a different solution then gun-control I'll be pretty damn surprised.
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you should watch the movie, at least to have a better basis upon which to dislike moore. he doesn't ever really concern himself with 'solving' the violence issue. he's ostensibly interested in trying to find out why gun violence is so prevalent in this country. he doesn't really come to any conclusions about that either. in the end it's pretty much just an entertaining exposition of fear and violence in america.

time for bed!
 
Michael Moore is nothing more than a fool with the ability to beguile the unwary viewer with cleverly spun lies and gross exaggerations In respects to film making, he really does not posses much talent since, in my opinion, Bowling for Columbine was all over the place, completely lacking focus. It just jumped around from topic to topic, making one absurd accusation after another. Then there are all the errors, lies, and devious tricks sprinkled throughout so carefully by Mr. Moore. Really, if lying is an art form, Michael Moore is van Gogh.

By the way, I'm really a rather liberal person. That should say something.
 
Sigh, ok, time for some medicine:

Do any of you know what a "gadfly" is? Well, a gadfly is defined as "One that acts as a provocative stimulus". That's what people like Michael Moore do.
He forces us to take a stand! We the people and society at large are sometimes so horridly indifferent about very important topics, that when it comes to voting or public forums on those topics...well, it doesn't go too well.
He opens the doors to debate. He says "This is what I say, here is my support" (Note: He has never made up or misconstrued a source. For his book, he has cited all his sources), and you either go "Yes, I agree" or "No, I disagree". With his provocation, one cannot go "Umm...I dunno..."
Most of you are on the negative side (No). That's ok. Now such stance begs the question: Why? What support can you lend that goes against what he says. Unfortunately for most of you, calling him "retarded" or "a liar" is far as you are able/willing to go.
Refer to my "Bowling for Columbine" for additional comments on how Michael Moore's validity lies not in facts, but in presentation, in openess of a subject all but skirted in the 2000 election (and bound to be next year as well). Link.
There you will find better arguments for "No, I do not agree" than calling him a fool or "because he's white"; learn from them and then we'll talk.

As far as gun control goes, just read the 2nd amendment. It's pretty much spelled out for you.
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There are two ways to interpret the Constitution.
1)Verbatim, word-by-word (what you're doing).
2)In context, taken in the context of today's society.

The 2nd Amendment explicitly states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Therefore, verbatim, you have the right to bear to form a REGULATED militia for the protection of a free state. You do NOT have the right to bear arms for singular self-defense and/or recreation. I feel little need to discuss it in context, provided the lack of invasion for the past 191 years and society trends against firearms.

~Javert.

Edit: After re-reading my own BfC thread, it seems that Dimitri posted there as well with his opinions. I can say that there has been little improvement support-wise.
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
now that's a fact we can agree on.

i'm fine with being called 'Tex", go ahead and refer to me just as Tex in the future. that'd be awesome.

edit: text --> tex
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But, I'm the Texan...
/me looks down at floor.
Aww...
 
I like Michel Moore

hes a tank like newell these guys are great :cheese: we need more of em in this world

no but really M@M isint bad he makes some great points and actually does something about the worlds f'd up things
 
Originally posted by qckbeam
Michael Moore is nothing more than a fool with the ability to beguile the unwary viewer with cleverly spun lies and gross exaggerations In respects to film making, he really does not posses much talent since, in my opinion, Bowling for Columbine was all over the place, completely lacking focus. It just jumped around from topic to topic, making one absurd accusation after another. Then there are all the errors, lies, and devious tricks sprinkled throughout so carefully by Mr. Moore. Really, if lying is an art form, Michael Moore is van Gogh.

By the way, I'm really a rather liberal person. That should say something.
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then what is bush, Leonardo da Vinci???
 
Javert, bAbYhEaDcRaB: Onya both.

I personally like Mike, he forces people to confront the things that they avoid due to discomfort.

Sure, he may not always be right (who is?), and heck, I don't agree with everything he says, but at least he stands up for what he believes in.

So he made a comment that he probably regrets. Great. That's one of those he's made that we can speak of. I have many more (see the kerfuffle about the eMail from Gabe I got the other day, I still cringe when I think about that), and I'm sure you do too.

A certain person frequently quoted on these forums makes them almost continuously, and yet, certain people here complain when those quotes are posted.

There. You've got my .000125 of a cent.

PS: Oh, Dimitri? I think that siggy is a leetle more than the allowed four lines. You might want to pare it down a bit, mate.
 
Originally posted by DimitriPopov
His film was a DOCUMENTARY , its stupposed to be FACTs , not cutting a Charlton Heston speech into a speech that took part at a different time and place to make your point , that is not reporting that is damn propagada. Maybe you should read bowlingfortruth.com , its pretty much everything there Timmy Texas.
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Maybe you should read http://www.whitehouse.org/ its pretty much everything there DimitriPopov :angel:
 
<Jumps off Lil' Timmy's bandwagon>

Ow!

I think I've twisted something.
 
after scanning the anti-moore site I noticed this


Moore then asks what Manson would say if he could talk directly to the kids at Columbine and the people in that community? What would he say?

Manson (solemnly): "I wouldn't say a single word to them. I'd listen to what they had to say. That's what no one did."

Clever way to dodge the question. Also interesting seeing as 'what they had to say' would have no doubt been a violent anti-social vent, consisting much of Manson's music lyrics. Fans of Manson's work or not - looks at quotes and writings by the Columbine boys compared to Manson's lyrics - appears as though they shared a writer.

Manson comes off as distinguished to the wrapped-up-in-the-moment-viewer, but inspection of the actual facts suggests that the far over simplistic 'someone to listen' isn't exactly an informed prescription concerning why these 2 boys murdered their classmates.

and urgently x'd my browser and declared it possibly the stupidest site I had ever graced my eyes upon......... mansons answer was so fricken great... how dare they
 
I watched BfC a while back and although I thought it brought up a few interesting facts, I also found it lacked focus and direction at times. I think that the subject matter was too broad and too far ranging for a 2+ hour film to really encompass without falling into generalisations. A documentary series would of been a far better option.

Moore also has a tendency to get very sanctimonious at times, which I find quite irritating. Not because he doesn't have a point to his observations, but simply because he tends to go off track as a result.
 
Well Bowling for Columbine is on Channel 4 tonight at 9pm, i'll watch it and see what comes of it.
 
you guys are lucky i'm not in a flaming mood today.

you guys are basing Michael Moore's credibility (spelling?) on one documentary. have you seen Roger & Me? have you seen The Awful Truth? have you read Stupid White Men? have you read Downsize This? have you read TVNation? i doubt you Moore haters have. why do you think he's been given continued support over the years? it's because he gets it right time after time. and yes, there are exaggerations and misplaced comments but you're forgetting what he is: a political SATIRIST (spelling?). that means his job is two fold: finding out the truth, and being entertaining with that truth.

i've been reading and following Moore's antics for years now and pretty much everything he's said has turned out to be either true or very close to the truth. i think there's such a backlash against him because what he says is so close to the bone. he hits an awkward spot with some people, and innevitably it's fun to bash someone who's out there doing some good.

here's a dare: email Mike with all your evidence about why he's a big fat liar and we'll see what he says. firstly, i doubt you've got the guts to do it, secondly i don't think you're bothered to collate and justify all the accusations against him. half these anti-Moore sites are written by the very people he's exposed.

take your daily internet dosage with a pinch of salt. please, for the sake of mankind.
 
Yeah, i absolutely loved bowling for colombine and stupid white men.
 
aww damnit, the bandwagon broke down cuz all you fat assholes where crowding me! now we can't go anywhere. thx...
 
I liked bowling for columbine, I don't agree with what he said in popov's sig though. thats pretty stupid. But frankly I was wondering why the hell nobody did anything. I would have, al they have are knives and I'm gonna be dying anyway probably. I'd just try to round up some of the other passengers while the terorists werne't looking, but meh.

I just think that an airplane full of people should be able to overcome a few stupid martyrs. Still, to go about racial stereotypes as an excuse is plain dumb.
 
Now Im Anti-Freespeech?

No , Im anti-sensationalism , im against lying and stretching facts in a DOCUMENTARY , some might say it wasnt a documentary , but its what he won an oscar for.

I dont like to believe someone could say something so ignorant and hateful about passengers who had more guts than this fat man Michael Moore will ever have. And he gets away with it , noone comments they just say , YEAH BUT...


I find it amusing that he hates white people , yet hes white.

He also claims to speak for the common man , he says he is one. Yet he lives in a million dollar apartment , demands 20,000 per show and still goes around complaining to staff and throwing a fit.



PS-NitchesseserarGerman , I dont care :) when you say something thats not negative ONCE , then Ill start listening.
 
Originally posted by DimitriPopov
Now Im Anti-Freespeech?

No , Im anti-sensationalism , im against lying and stretching facts in a DOCUMENTARY , some might say it wasnt a documentary , but its what he won an oscar for.

I dont like to believe someone could say something so ignorant and hateful about passengers who had more guts than this fat man Michael Moore will ever have. And he gets away with it , noone comments they just say , YEAH BUT...


I find it amusing that he hates white people , yet hes white.

He also claims to speak for the common man , he says he is one. Yet he lives in a million dollar apartment , demands 20,000 per show and still goes around complaining to staff and throwing a fit.



PS-NitchesseserarGerman , I dont care :) when you say something thats not negative ONCE , then Ill start listening.
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honestly, where do you get all of this shit? i'm not trying to be confontational, but everything you just said might be bullshit, as far as you or i can tell. what? you read it off one of his hate-sites? you could use some of your own medicine, don't believe everything that you read buddy. ever heard of a thing called context? find me a transcript of that 'quote' of his in your sig, and then i'll comment on it. otherwise, it may just be more hypoothesis, hyperbole, or simple fabrication on the part of one of his detractors. you like to call him a liar, but you have no idea about this, nor do i really. moore and his staff actually do some research, why don't you put together an email like dedalus said instead of throwing around inuendo and speculation like it's the ****ing gospel. just trying to help you formulate an interesting/serviceable opinion.
 
if they were so brave why didn't they do something?
seriously, why are you calling them brave souls? because they died?

I'm not trying to come off as insensitive, I don't wish that upon anyone, but they aren't brave souls for not trying to overpower a few guys.

I don't see where he lied in his documentary, maybe he stretched the truth in some places or put a spin on somehting, but like timmy said, everyone has a bias. There is very little occurence of telling "straight truth" in the media or anywhere else. Of course BfC isn't completely truthful, but I would say its more truth than lie. It cited interesting facts, such as the homicide rates in countries, and thoughj I'm not quite sure what he is more against in the end, guns or the media, I think it was well put-together.

meh, I'm done with this, I think I'll go play diablo ii. No one's opinions are going to change from this debate.
 
Originally posted by Brian Damage
Lil' Timmy, want me to get off and push?
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i thought you had already gotten off. welp, judging from my above post, i think the wagon's up and running, get on boys, "let's roll!"
 
I'm anti-gun and used to actually think Moore was an ok bloke but after reading the url DimitriPopov posted I think Moore is a total prick.

His film is on Channel4 soon so I'll be watching with interest.
 
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