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I just saw this movie last night, for those who haven't heard about it, it's a turkish production in which the bad guys are the american marines (led by Billy Zane) and the good guys are the turk special forces (led by Polat Alemdar... rofl). Here's the IMDB link by the way:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/

I saw it with my older brother and we got in an argument about the ethics and message of the movie: he basically says it's the same garbage we see everyday from hollywood except the roles are reversed. He's right, there are thousands of action flicks with arab terrorists as the bad guys. But they were never this crass, this movie takes it up a notch. A evil jewish doctor (Gary Busey the ugliest man alive) who harvests organs from dead prisoners in Abu Graib and sends them to Tel Aviv and NY, marines who raid a wedding and shoot the groom in the head, etc... The ending is really ****ed up, the turk "special forces" are outnumbered and out gunned by the marines (who look like mortal kombat extras by the way) fight them off one by one to chants of "allah ackbar". Now imagine if in an american movie, the good guy is killing arab terrorists to chants of "jesus is great".

Bah, I don't know what to think really. Anyway, if you get the chance to see this movie you won't regret it. The dialogue is so cheesy you'll laugh your ass off during most of it. It's a 14 million dollar production which is huge by turkish standards, but don't expect too much. The marines' helmets look like hospital bedpans, their hummvees look like they were made of cardboard, you get the picture ;p
 
It sounds like a bunch of crap from what I have read about it, but it would be a great rental if the government allows Blockbuster to stock it!

Gotta love that Billy Zane though! And Gary Busey, if only for his insanity! :laugh:
 
Gunner said:
I just saw this movie last night, for those who haven't heard about it, it's a turkish production in which the bad guys are the american marines (led by Billy Zane) and the good guys are the turk special forces (led by Polat Alemdar... rofl). Here's the IMDB link by the way:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/

I saw it with my older brother and we got in an argument about the ethics and message of the movie: he basically says it's the same garbage we see everyday from hollywood except the roles are reversed. He's right, there are thousands of action flicks with arab terrorists as the bad guys. But they were never this crass, this movie takes it up a notch. A evil jewish doctor (Gary Busey the ugliest man alive) who harvests organs from dead prisoners in Abu Graib and sends them to Tel Aviv and NY, marines who raid a wedding and shoot the groom in the head, etc... The ending is really ****ed up, the turk "special forces" are outnumbered and out gunned by the marines (who look like mortal kombat extras by the way) fight them off one by one to chants of "allah ackbar". Now imagine if in an american movie, the good guy is killing arab terrorists to chants of "jesus is great".

Bah, I don't know what to think really. Anyway, if you get the chance to see this movie you won't regret it. The dialogue is so cheesy you'll laugh your ass off during most of it. It's a 14 million dollar production which is huge by turkish standards, but don't expect too much. The marines' helmets look like hospital bedpans, their hummvees look like they were made of cardboard, you get the picture ;p
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I agree, it seemed to be a propaganda film ..but I guess it's no less valid than say Rambo 3 (saving the poor defenseless afghanis who just happened to be the taliban/al qaeda/mujhadeen) or the movie Pearl Harbor

film has always been a propagandists tool


anyone seen this propaganda film from the 50's?

http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/liberty1/pictures/Reefer Madness.png





btw, it may seem over the top but "truth is sometimes stranger than fiction" ..US fighter planes bombing water sanitation plants that led to the deaths of millions of people, intelligence manipulated in order to start a war that's killed hundreds of thousands, torture camps, kidnapping of foreign national and sending them to secret interrogation prisons etc etc
 
CptStern said:
film has always been a propagandists tool
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Yeah, Hitler was like the Weinsteins once upon a time.

CptStern said:
anyone seen this propaganda film from the 50's?
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Hahaha! I was SO glad when this finally came out on DVD. HilARious!!

CptStern said:
btw, it may seem over the top but "truth is sometimes stranger than fiction" ..US fighter planes bombing water sanitation plants that led to the deaths of millions of people, intelligence manipulated in order to start a war that's killed hundreds of thousands, torture camps, kidnapping of foreign national and sending them to secret interrogation prisons etc etc
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Scary and true. I am much more fearful of things I have seen from various news agencies than virtually anything I have seen in sci-fi films, horror films, etc. RL is quite a ride!
 
there are onlym a few worthy war movies,Platoon,Cross of Iron,Saving Private Ryan, and Die Bruecke,very very old german low budget war movie,very sad as well.
 
there are plenty of good war movies ...however none of them are pro-war ...all the goods are decidely anti-war ..even platoon and apocolypse now were anti-war


see this is how it works ..if you want to use that lightening fast new aircraft the US is using, or perhaps a destroyer to be used in a ww2 film ..you cannot use thses unless the military approves of the script ...they'll even make changes

so you can see a movie like Top Gun was made with military approval (some say it was their most effective marketing campaign ever) a movie like Apocolypse now didnt get script approval ..in fact they had to borrow helicoptors and the crew to fly them from the Philippine army who at the time of filming would periodically leave the set to fight rebels


good war moveis

all quiet along the western front
The Bridge on the River Kwai
The Deer Hunter
The Killing Fields
Salvador
Catch-22
La Grande illusion
Das boot
 
The US will only provide military aid if the movie shows them in a positive light. That's what happened with Black Hawk Down.
 
the use of their locations, vehicles, resources, logos etc ..all pending script approval
 
Hmm reefer madness I think I've seen that with my bro too, I remember one dude and his girlfriend smoking pot and acting all jacked up like they hit the crack pipe while playing the piano. And some guy runs over a pedestrian or something. But where did I put that CD?... I keep misplacing my divx collection aargh!
 
CptStern said:
there are plenty of good war movies ...however none of them are pro-war ...all the goods are decidely anti-war ..even platoon and apocolypse now were anti-war


see this is how it works ..if you want to use that lightening fast new aircraft the US is using, or perhaps a destroyer to be used in a ww2 film ..you cannot use thses unless the military approves of the script ...they'll even make changes

so you can see a movie like Top Gun was made with military approval (some say it was their most effective marketing campaign ever) a movie like Apocolypse now didnt get script approval ..in fact they had to borrow helicoptors and the crew to fly them from the Philippine army who at the time of filming would periodically leave the set to fight rebels
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Holly damn, imagine :

-Action !
-Wait wait, brb, need to fight off some rebels.
 
CptStern said:
there are plenty of good war movies ...however none of them are pro-war ...all the goods are decidely anti-war ..even platoon and apocolypse now were anti-war


see this is how it works ..if you want to use that lightening fast new aircraft the US is using, or perhaps a destroyer to be used in a ww2 film ..you cannot use thses unless the military approves of the script ...they'll even make changes

so you can see a movie like Top Gun was made with military approval (some say it was their most effective marketing campaign ever) a movie like Apocolypse now didnt get script approval ..in fact they had to borrow helicoptors and the crew to fly them from the Philippine army who at the time of filming would periodically leave the set to fight rebels


good war moveis

all quiet along the western front
The Bridge on the River Kwai
The Deer Hunter
The Killing Fields
Salvador
Catch-22
La Grande illusion
Das boot
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Nichts neues im westen, has a very sad ending indeed ;(
Das Boot as well.
 
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