Valve Vs. Id Software?

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Well, we all know that both companies are on the front lines to make the best FPS, pretty much............Ever made. Now both companies are rich, both have the best talent and experiance making games.

Now, who do you like more? I wish they would get together myself :)
They would make the best company every made. It would be called....Valid!

.............opinions?
:thumbs:
 
Valve. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because id just seems over-publicised, and it looks like they're easy to buy into (a la the new "nVidia is good!" thing with id). Valve seems more professional.
 
Id.
Valve has only been known for the Half-Life series.
id software has been notorious for Quake, Doom, Wolfenstein and has more liscencing deals. Especially by Raven Soft. & Activision.
 
that's a hard one,,

in my personal opinion I like valve more because they have pledged support to the independant mod/game developers, but they are both great companies, engines and games.
 
For some reason ID and John Carmack remind me a lot of M$ and Bill respectively =/

Both good, have to go with Valve though... cause I'm a fanboy ^.^
 
stigmata said:
Valve. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because id just seems over-publicised, and it looks like they're easy to buy into (a la the new "nVidia is good!" thing with id). Valve seems more professional.

Good point. So you're saying Id is basically a sellout to the highest bidder at the time. While valve is consistent.
 
thats tough....ID is good, and nice and cool, and valve is cool, but they do have problem keeping community informed thou
 
Letters said:
Uhhhhhhh... yes?

What's with the reply?

What's with the sig?

What's with the avatar?

What the hell is with you!?!?

/me drops a grand piano on Letters, and when he pops his head out his teeth are keys like in Looney Toons, and I play the victory tune from FF7 on them.
 
coolio2man said:
I cant stand it anymore!! Who is that HOT BABE as ur Avatar Letters?!
Ummmm... my fiance? :D

(Actually it's Britney Spears... only BETTER! :eek:)
 
Letters said:
only BETTER! :eek:

Haha, I just noticed that IFG in the top left.

Anyone seen the video for 'Toxic'? That brief shower scene at one stage... Britney looks 10x hotter with black hair =/
 
I prefer Valve.

Valve are more concerned in creating the technology for their own games that will contain a deep and meaningful gameplay.

ID seem more concerned about creating a game with amazing technology with little gameplay in the hope to make money off of the back of that by selling the engine.
 
Bad^Hat said:
Haha, I just noticed that IFG in the top left.

Anyone seen the video for 'Toxic'? That brief shower scene at one stage... Britney looks 10x hotter with black hair =/
YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!
 
Chris_D said:
I prefer Valve.

Valve are more concerned in creating the technology for their own games that will contain a deep and meaningful gameplay.

ID seem more concerned about creating a game with amazing technology with little gameplay in the hope to make money off of the back of that by selling the engine.
Yeah, it also seems like Doom3 is a showcase game, designed to have just enough depth to be considered a good FPS while being used mainly (edit: entirely ;))to sell engine licenses.
 
Chris_D said:
I prefer Valve.

Valve are more concerned in creating the technology for their own games that will contain a deep and meaningful gameplay.

ID seem more concerned about creating a game with amazing technology with little gameplay in the hope to make money off of the back of that by selling the engine.

I feel this way too.

While I like ID, it isn't because of the game they made is so fun but rather that they are just good at developing engines.

I like valve, not because of their developement of engines but rather because the of the quality of game they created.

I play games not engines so I like valve better.
 
id, simply because they come off much more professional. They just have more class. When Gabe buys a few ferraris and starts building his own space shuttle, maybe he can compete with Carmack. Besides that, they invented and re-invinted the FPS as we know it today. Our hobby exists because of them, and they have been pushing graphics technology to new levels since the conception of the FPS. Valve made a great game, but it doesn't stack up to id's legacy. Not in any way.

One thing I would like to say is this theory that id is bought by nvidia is nonsense. just because source doesn't work well on nvidia cards doesn't mean squat about Doom³. id has always been honest and upfront with the community, and if you go back and read Carmack's plan files even back to the beginning of Doom³ devlopment, you will see that nvivia is consistantly ahead of ATI where Doom³ is concerned. You can't say that since hl2 sucks on nvidia, that must mean that if id says Doom³ runs great on it then they must have been payed off. Thats a ignorant assumption. They are two very different games, and Carmack is considered the best in the industry at getting high end graphics engines to work well with all GPUs.


Given that Doom³ runs great on nvidia, and that Doom³ is more demanding than hl2, I would say that the reason hl2 sucks on nvidia is due to poor engineering on behalf of Valve. Carmack made it work, but I guess thats why he is considered the best.
 
Um... I like Valve because I like the way they make games.
 
Pseudonym_ said:
One thing I would like to say is this theory that id is bought by nvidia is nonsense.
I agree. Although FX did suck at parts of D3. ;)
But it is isolated to the FX. It's called shaders.

Pseudonym_ said:
Given that Doom³ runs great on nvidia, and that Doom³ is more demanding than hl2, I would say that the reason hl2 sucks on nvidia is due to poor engineering on behalf of Valve.
More likely because D3 uses a lot of CPU power unlike HL2 which uses a lot of GFX shader power. ;)

Since nvidia's NV40 has much needed and improved shader power from the FX, it will run D3 very good. Even D3 has shaders that need good performance, Mr Carmack has even commented on that.
 
gabe seems like a cool guy...

carmack seems like a whiny prick.
 
crabcakes66 said:
gabe seems like a cool guy...

carmack seems like a whiny prick.
I agree. I'd much rather be friends with Gabe than Carmack. Gabe looks like he could tell some good jokes and they become 10 times funnier because he's a jolly fatman. Much like Chris Farley (God bless his soul)

As for which company i prefer. The amount of hours i've spent playing CS and DoD is probably enough reason to like Valve more. Id's multiplayer and single player games never really captured my attention like the Half-Life experience did. The wow factor from new graphics lasts only so long into a game. Id seem to rely more on that initial "wow" factor. Once it wears off you find the game is very shallow. That judgment is based of their more recent work Quake1/2/3, RTCW.
 
Pseudonym_ said:
id, simply because they come off much more professional. They just have more class. When Gabe buys a few ferraris and starts building his own space shuttle, maybe he can compete with Carmack. Besides that, they invented and re-invinted the FPS as we know it today. Our hobby exists because of them, and they have been pushing graphics technology to new levels since the conception of the FPS. Valve made a great game, but it doesn't stack up to id's legacy. Not in any way.

One thing I would like to say is this theory that id is bought by nvidia is nonsense. just because source doesn't work well on nvidia cards doesn't mean squat about Doom³. id has always been honest and upfront with the community, and if you go back and read Carmack's plan files even back to the beginning of Doom³ devlopment, you will see that nvivia is consistantly ahead of ATI where Doom³ is concerned. You can't say that since hl2 sucks on nvidia, that must mean that if id says Doom³ runs great on it then they must have been payed off. Thats a ignorant assumption. They are two very different games, and Carmack is considered the best in the industry at getting high end graphics engines to work well with all GPUs.


Given that Doom³ runs great on nvidia, and that Doom³ is more demanding than hl2, I would say that the reason hl2 sucks on nvidia is due to poor engineering on behalf of Valve. Carmack made it work, but I guess thats why he is considered the best.

fully agree with that
 
I respect Id software for the work they have done, they have build up the Fps genre. -- so i wont say anything bad about them

I do think that valve has took over, or is taking over. So i'll go with valve.
 
'Given that Doom³ runs great on nvidia, and that Doom³ is more demanding than hl2, I would say that the reason hl2 sucks on nvidia is due to poor engineering on behalf of Valve. Carmack made it work, but I guess thats why he is considered the best.'

ROFL that's the stupidest most uninformed things I've heard in a while... WD :p

The reason D3 runs well on Nvidia hardware is because it is through-put bound like a DX-7 class title rather than shader bound like a DX9 class title. The FX is a VERY capable card in all games that don't require full precision shaders - and anyone who tells you different is either lying or making a big stink about AA performance or image quality...

Carmack has freely admitted that D3 doesn't make use of PS2.0 shaders - and that the lower precision int12 and FP16 that the FX has to run (if you want decent FPS) isn't a problem in his game.... D3 is next gen, but it is advanced in terms of the renderer lighting engine not its shaders ala Source - which apparently uses 200+ PS2.0 shaders...

The Doom3 engine is OpenGL not DirectX where Nvidia has a native advantage over ATI anyway and Carmack had to code a special optimised path (not ARB2) in order to get proper performance and use the FX's lower precision shaders to full effect. That you think HL2 a DX9 shader bound title runs Nvidia slower because of poor programming shows how little you know about the 3D world...

Let me start your re-education for you:
www.beyond3d.com
 
Valve = One Good game.

iD = Invented the genre and has made ever major break through in FPSers.


Winner = iD
 
stigmata said:
Valve. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because id just seems over-publicised, and it looks like they're easy to buy into (a la the new "nVidia is good!" thing with id). Valve seems more professional.


iD DESERVE to be overpublished. Then invented they've made every major breakthrough in FPSers to date and pretty much single handidly created the genre.


Errr maybe you didn;t notice but Valve are suckeling at ATI's cock. Why else do you think the current ATI cards are bundled with a hl2 voucher?


More professional? Like leaking beta codes of their games? Missing release dates? Passing the buck on CZ over and over again?

Yeah REAL professional. :LOL:
 
Mr.Magnetichead said:
Valve = One Good game.

Which was built on the engine that id made...

Anyway, I'd have to say id, who have been responsible for quite a few of the best games ever (indirectly responsible for some, through licensing). Not that I'd want to badmouth Gabe - especially here - but he seems to lack the eccentric uber-coding monkey Godness that Carmack shows at times. id can make very good games, and they have been doing so since the genre was first created; so far Valve have only made one good game (though I personally can't see what all the fuss over HL1 was about).

But Valve have better writers. Having said that, no-one can frighten you quite as well as id can.
 
I guess people define professionality differently.

Valve is professional in the sense that they will work longer on a game if they think it's needed. Would you rather they released crap?

Id is fecking professional in the engine department, and has done alot for the fps genre (and graphics development for everything). But I'm not sure what revolutionizing fps they've made except for wolfenstein and doom.?


I'd prefer not to choose actually :)
But HL2 is so far the only game out of the two (HL2 D3) that I know I'll buy..
 
Yeah great idea, another my daddy vs your daddy thread!
It's all a matter of opinion, arguing about that is pointless

I prefer Valve, id games are nice, but it's mostly the technology that is special, not the game.
Valve may have only made one game, but it's considered the best FPS ever, and that's a game that they made while there company was still being created, with limited resources and a team who only had a few persons that had previous experiences with game developing. Just imagine what they can come up with now with a lot more money, a lot bigger team, and the experience they gained from HL!
 
Sorze said:
But I'm not sure what revolutionizing fps they've made except for wolfenstein and doom.?

You see there was this game called quake that was the first ever totally 3d FPSer.... :rolleyes:
 
ID,
Ill pick ID every time. Id made the fps standard. PLus Almost every games from ID works in linux. :) I cant say that for valve. Yes HL1 was fun but it used a modded quake 2 engine. So ID is the king. :)
 
And after Q1? Are you going to tell me you think Q2 and Q3 contributed anything whatsoever to the single player FPS genre? RtcW?

I'm sorry but I have had a better time playing Duke3d, Half Life, NOLF1+2, Deus Ex, than the sum total of every id game ever made...

Without the CTF mod, Q2 is one of the worst FPSs I've ever had the misfortune of purchasing.

Id just doesn't have any design credentials to speak of - all their eggs are in the technology basket. Carmack doesn't even play games anymore and he seems to think anything outside a simple arcade paradigm is a false gimmick... Hell only knows what will happen to id when he retires - it might actually do them some good and allow them to actually innovate outside technology....

Look - full respect for them setting the FPS genre alight in the first place and contributing all that amazing engine technology to drive IHV and PC gaming in to the future - but in terms of their actual games - nostalgia doesn't cut it for me.
 
Mr.Magnetichead said:
More professional? Like leaking beta codes of their games? Missing release dates? Passing the buck on CZ over and over again?

Yeah REAL professional. :LOL:


Um...You know if you hadn't mentioned CZ, you could be talking about either one.
 
id. Invented the FPS genre, re-invented the FPS genre, kings of multiplayer for a huge amount of time, pioneers of widespread online gaming. First games to be modded. Quake III engine is STILL being used.

Valve. One great game, truly awe insipiring, supported and grew the mod community. Built their game on the QuakeWorld engine.

id for me, although HL2 + TF2 could well change my mind. Valve just don't have the track record imo
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
Um...You know if you hadn't mentioned CZ, you could be talking about either one.

No not really.

iD have never missed a release date because they've never set one 'When it's done'.

CZ has been passed from developer to developer and it's still just a bot and skin pack for CS as it is.
 
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