Venezuela in Trouble?

[KoreBolteR]

i read this article and i wanted to know what you lot thought about it...

"Some people here are very worried about what's going to happen. … If you don't have rules or somebody who respects the rules, they can do whatever they want — they can be [another] Fidel Castro," said Baruta Mayor Henrique Capriles.

Neighboring Colombia has accused Chavez of supporting the Narco-terrorist organization Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) (search), which is at war with the Colombian government. Other neighbors make similar accusations against the self-proclaimed "revolutionary."

"When you have a government in Latin America that's not willing to call the guerrilla groups 'terrorists,' that can tell you the way this government is being run," said Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez.

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"Hugo Chavez" could be the fidel castro of Venezuela. After 50 years of being democratic, the country is now being threatened with totalitarion rule, with law being too much joined with Hugo Chavez's opinion.

do you think this a problem for the US to deal with?

profile of Hugo Chavez

not to mention nearly going to war with colombia couple of days ago. lol

btw mod please delete if this has already been discussed.. sorry. ;(

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Hugo Chavez has already reached that point. Political opponents are beaten, egotiscal rule with very little political freedoms.

 

[Gray Fox]

Hugo Chavez has already reached that point. Political opponents are beaten, egotiscal rule with very little political freedoms.

The people in power before him did the same thing, the difference between him and them is that he was chosen democraticly in office.

 

[CptStern]

funny how all this criticsim rears it's ugly head snce he turned his back on decades of cooperation with the US ...also Chavez calling Bush a terrorist for iraqi civilian deaths couldnt have made him all that popular ...venezuela is very very rich in oil, many see venezuela is the next stop on the "lets invade oil rich nations" US world tour!

 

[Raziaar]

funny how all this criticsim rears it's ugly head snce he turned his back on decades of cooperation with the US ...also Chavez calling Bush a terrorist for iraqi civilian deaths couldnt have made him all that popular ...venezuela is very very rich in oil, many see venezuela is the next stop on the "lets invade oil rich nations" US world tour!

Give me a break stern. Your 'oil' accusations are becoming rather tiresome. If anybody has oil, you'll say the US will invade it.

 

[KoreBolteR]

funny how all this criticsim rears it's ugly head snce he turned his back on decades of cooperation with the US ...also Chavez calling Bush a terrorist for iraqi civilian deaths couldnt have made him all that popular ...venezuela is very very rich in oil, many see venezuela is the next stop on the "lets invade oil rich nations" US world tour!

the guy wants totalitatian rule, where all the laws are decided by him alone. nobody messes with him or they die. the world needs no more of these.

especially when hes friendly with fidel castro.

and i also see him making friends with putin.. another anti-american, how ironic

 

[CptStern]

Give me a break stern. Your 'oil' accusations are becoming rather tiresome. If anybody has oil, you'll say the US will invade it.

http://www.petroleumworld.com/Ed012605.htm

http://www.clas.berkeley.edu:7001/Events/fall2002/10-07-02-Collier/

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0711-04.htm

http://www.energybulletin.net/4150.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1056509.htm

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/25/business/oil.html

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=5970&fcategory_desc=Under Reported

http://www.forbes.com/business/newswire/2004/02/29/rtr1280446.html

http://www.embavenez-us.org/news.english/ambassador_washdiplomat.htm

http://www.heritage.org/Research/LatinAmerica/bg1787.cfm

http://www.public-i.org/oil/report.aspx?aid=383

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/10800758.htm?1c

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27227

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1930481.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/1985670.stm

http://www.hazelhenderson.com/editorials/globoCop04-02.html

http://www.americas.org/item_17801



you were saying?


btw chavez accuses the US of staging a coup to get rid of him ...knowing their record with coups in south america i dont doubt it:

"He said: "I have written proof of the entries and exits of two military officers from the United States into the headquarters of the coup plotters.

"I have their names, whom they met with, what they said, proof on video and on still photographs."

source

good read on the failed coup orchestrated by the US

 

[KoreBolteR]

but because the US might be trying to unseat him, he still shouldnt turn to "totalitarian rule". thats not fair to the people of Venezuela is it?

he will be like another Saddam. killing civilians at will, daily. even torturing for minor offences.

all while no-one complains or does anything about it. he is free to do it. Sickening :x

this country should be moving forward, not backward imo.

 

[CptStern]

but because the US might be trying to unseat him, he still shouldnt turn to "totalitarian rule". thats not fair to the people of Venezuela is it?

he will be like another Saddam. killing civilians at will, daily. even torturing for minor offences.

all while no-one complains or does anything about it. he is free to do it.

read all the links I provided ..then make a conclusion ..until then your opinion is uninformed and reactionary

 

[Raziaar]

you were saying?

I didn't say there wasn't any basis to the fact there, but reading your links, its just about Chavez's paranoia that the US is out to get him for his oil, and from the oil companies themselves, not the government. The US government is not completely controlled by oil companies.


I said what I said... because you sound like a broken record. Your deck of cards is filled with 90% oil cards. All i'm saying is, you sound like a repetitive drone.

"Oh, well North Korea doesn't have much Oil, so it's not in the best interest of The United States to attack them" :upstare:

 

[CptStern]

I said what I said... because you sound like a broken record. Your deck of cards is filled with 90% oil cards. All i'm saying is, you sound like a repetitive drone.

:upstare: please point them out to me

"Oh, well North Korea doesn't have much Oil, so it's not in the best interest of The United States to attack them" :upstare:

you want to point out where I said that?

I didn't say there wasn't any basis to the fact there, but reading your links, its just about Chavez's paranoia that the US is out to get him for his oil, and from the oil companies themselves, not the government. The US government is not completely controlled by oil companies.

then why attempt a coup? why did the US try to overthrow chavez? ..here's further proof they've been meddling for quite sometime

 

[Raziaar]

:upstare: please point them out to me



you want to point out where I said that?

That wasn't a quote from you. That was my smartass comment about your 'everything is about oil, no matter what' attitude with the united states.

 

[KoreBolteR]

After September 11th’s attacks, Chavez further angered the US by characterizing Bush’s war in Afghanistan as “fighting terrorism with terrorism.”

Chavez’s friendship with neighboring Cuba and Fidel Castro provoked US fury.

All we know is that the US was infuriated that Chavez refused to support Plan Columbia (as did many other Latin American leaders).

i see what hes doing, because of jealousy along with his friends like Fidel Castro and other Anti-americans, he decides to stop his oil exports to the USA. obviously shutting them away from any of his plans.

in doing this , and angering the US, the US obviously dont want that country to turn into a totalitarian rule (u know.. hugo chavez turning into another murdering tyrant), therefor pay the opposition money, hoping to win the election. sadly making hugo chavez hate america more.

The last few days' bizarre events, which saw both the ousting and the return to power of Mr Chavez, are believed to have brought the clashing parties closer to each other.

On Sunday, upon his return to office, Mr Chavez said he had accepted the resignation of PDVSA's board of directors.

hmm shouldnt mr chavez be gone, bu coming back, that shows me signs of immunity agains democracy, thereforetroubling times ahead for that country if the opposition to hugo increases.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/p...RTICLE_ID=27227

Chavez is an admirer of the 19th century Latin American revolutionary leader Simon Bolivar, who sought to unite the continent into a single central government.

this just says that US get more oil if chavez goes. and he should be gone. no offence, but he does want a central government, where he will control everything.. like fidel from cuba does. Would you like to live under Hugo Chavez? where you would get no free speech, no free opinion. you wouldnt be able to stand against hugo himself, or any of his plans. because if you do, you will be jailed or executed. :/

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...10800758.htm?1c

this website requirs me to log in..

Using Venezuela's oil wealth to fund his social programs, President Hugo Chavez has divided his country largely along class lines, resulting in protests, strikes, and even a coup since his 1998 election.

hehe, he couldnt even control people from his country back then.. now turning to totalitarian rule, he can jail and kill every protestor and nor media can ever talk about it.

i have to go, ill reply more later.

 

[Flyingdebris]

the venezuelans I know can back me up on this. That Chavez guy is an ass.

oil or no oil, the less asshole tinpot dictators around the world, the better. and if the gas for my car is a few cents cheaper, well then thats an added bonus isn't it

i'm certainly not going to lose any sleep because poor ole chavez got the ass kicking he deserved

 

[Gray Fox]

Well se the fact that the US is trying to overtrow him is making him an Dictator, see in his mind if he is overtrown by the US he figures, they will put on a rightwing dictator in his place, so it's better that he is a dictator, then a puppet government who would sell out his country. And even if he doesn't become a dictator, will that stop the US trying to overtrow his government, I didn't in Australia.
And also the coup attemts are making him take security mesures that are on par with a dictator, see if he wanted to stay in power the hinest way he would have been overtrown by now and US dictator would have been put in his place.

 

[Sainku]

This is the same guy that called rice illiterate and said her anger was because of sexual frustration towards him isn't it?

 

[KoreBolteR]

how about that <rmjc> guy, hes from venezuela, he should know...

 

[kirovman]

how about that <rmjc> guy, hes from venezuela, he should know...

Yeah someone PM him. I don't think he comes on politics...

 

[<RJMC>]

i read this article and i wanted to know what you lot thought about it...



Full Story Here


"Hugo Chavez" could be the fidel castro of Venezuela. After 50 years of being democratic, the country is now being threatened with totalitarion rule, with law being too much joined with Hugo Chavez's opinion.

do you think this a problem for the US to deal with?

profile of Hugo Chavez

not to mention nearly going to war with colombia couple of days ago. lol

btw mod please delete if this has already been discussed.. sorry. ;(

we are scared of that

off course he is like fidel castro

in the last year he make a law where is forbiden to say something offensive about the goverment in the media and if that happen the media has to pay a lot of money that can make the media to broke,and in cuba there is a law like that

also he get that image that he is the saviour of the country when the country has going dow since he is the presidence

for example the things are getting more expensive and are less jobs and that make more crime,and the ecomony gets worse and he say that everything is better that ever

also every month are people kidnapped by the colombian guerilla and I think is true that is something beeteween the mother****er of chavez and the guerrilla even if the goverment has official say that they are not guerrilla's in the country

also if you see how act he and his follower is like a comunis or something like that but directed by a total retarded

cuz is someone dont agree whit then they start to blame then calling them antipatriotics and stuff like that

and I HATE WHEN HE SPEAK he trying to sound like a hero when he sound like someone that is hiding all hes mistakes and is true
believe when he is on tv I want to shoot it

in fact is the most retareded and stupid goverment ever,even the people that follow he is stupid too,infact everything related to he is pure shit and stupidness (sp?)

and about if is a problem whit the USA?

well this idiot dont like the USA as sure you know so maybe it will not going to be good

but if the USA is planing to assasinate he, they dont know how much lives will be happy for that

if you hav any questiong just ask it here

 

[<RJMC>]

ok I didnt read the whole tread but is USA make a plan like the one in iraq then is not going to be good

 

[KoreBolteR]

ok I didnt read the whole tread but is USA make a plan like the one in iraq then is not going to be good

nah they wont do that. they have their eyes focused on the terrorists in iraq, not the good civilians of venezuela .

shame about what you said about Hugo Chavez. he should be replaced at once!

 

[el Chi]

The people in power before him did the same thing, the difference between him and them is that he was chosen democraticly in office.

One of the things I like about Chavez is that he's a genuine Socialist leader who was properly democratically voted in. Which really pissed off the US administration, because, if I recall an article I read quite a while ago, he wanted to cut down on oil dealings with the US.

Now, if he is turning int o a more totalitarian leader then that is obviously a terrible shame. But in response to your original question; no I don't think the US should step in. As your sig says, the media runs the world; not the US.
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'scuse me whilst I open a can of worms:

cuz is someone dont agree whit then they start to blame then calling them antipatriotics and stuff like that

Well class, can we say "un-American"?

 

[<RJMC>]

One of the things I like about Chavez is that he's a genuine Socialist leader who was properly democratically voted in. Which really pissed off the US administration, because, if I recall an article I read quite a while ago, he wanted to cut down on oil dealings with the US.

Now, if he is turning int o a more totalitarian leader then that is obviously a terrible shame. But in response to your original question; no I don't think the US should step in. As your sig says, the media runs the world; not the US.
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'scuse me whilst I open a can of worms:Well class, can we say "un-American"?

he was just saying that he will make a revolution and stuff,big mistake for tall the people who voted for he

 

[el Chi]

I thought the idea was that he was sort of revolutionary? Obviously not violent Marxist revolution, but that's not really what he's setting up for is he?

 

[<RJMC>]

I thought the idea was that he was sort of revolutionary? Obviously not violent Marxist revolution, but that's not really what he's setting up for is he?

the violents are hes followers

one day there was a antichavez protest in a street and them a group of chavez followers come and start to shoot everywhere,1 person died,and many of the chavez followers go to acttack the reporters and take theyr cameras

in 2002 there was a similiar succes and more people die and you know what the goverment do whit the poeple that was shooting? they name then national heroes,just cuz they where "defending the revolution" when they just shoot theyr guns to the people in the protest

 

[KoreBolteR]

the violents are hes followers

one day there was a antichavez protest in a street and them a group of chavez followers come and start to shoot everywhere,1 person died,and many of the chavez followers go to acttack the reporters and take theyr cameras

in 2002 there was a similiar succes and more people die and you know what the goverment do whit the poeple that was shooting? they name then national heroes,just cuz they where "defending the revolution" when they just shoot theyr guns to the people in the protest

now that is f*cked up ...

so i now know why USA are mad with them.
none of your spinning stories please.