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I have been having an anoying conversation with someone who is a non self confessed Pentium freak. Our talk was long but here are the main points that he made about my AMD 64 3000+

1.Overall its crap
2.There is no Pentium equivalent, its 2.00GHz full stop and thats crap, its nowhere near a 3.00 p4.
3.AMD's are better for everyday use, Pentiums are for gaming.
4.It will be outdated in 12 months.
5.Its actually not better than a 1.60 P4.
6.Hardly ANYTHING will be compatiable with the motherboard
7.The RAM will be soooo more expensive
8.You will never be able to upgrade the CPU without getting a totally new system
(I will add to as I remember)

My favorite part of the conversation-
Him:Havnt you noticed all your applications running really slow?
Me:Err, no

When I told him what people had said about 64's being decent he said-
Well theyre all AMD freaks
The cheak!
 
Well has he ever seen benchmarks with amd compared vs pentiums?
 
It tryed-

Me: Here is a link
Him: Thats a load of crap you realise
Me: No it isnt
 
every processer will be outdated in a year
 
If you actually look at benchmarks and read tech forums where people buy systems and compare them constantly you will see the truth.
Anyone who claims something different from the experiences of many is not exactly right. :\
 
8.You will never be able to upgrade the CPU without getting a totally new system
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Just out of interest, who here actually upgrades just the CPU?

Generally when I find its time to upgrade, I just buy a whole new motherboard, CPU etc as I find its easier to do that and have a mega upgrade then go from 1.2ghz to 1.4ghz etc...

I always tend to upgrade in new generations, ie Pentium 2 to Pentium 3 etc
 
lol, true. Also by the time you wanna upgrade you prolly will want to buy a new mobo cpu ram, etc. cause s754 is closing soon.
 
PS I have a AMD64 3200+ and its awesome!

It uses standard RAM though I did go for premium Corsair (bought cheap OEM stuff in the past and had loads of problems). Never had a BSOD or crash on this machine.

Everything seems to be compatable with this board. Anyway its got AGP, PCI, what wouldn't be compatable with it?.
 
What can I do though? I feel really depressed ;(
I get this new decent comp that I think I will be able to get evrything atleast on med-high settings and this punk comes along and pisses on my barbecue. :angry:
 
Hyper-transport? Im pretty sure it has that, and its the same thing. (eg.rag doll-impact physics)

Also- will I be able to replace my current CPU with a new AMD CPU or not?
 
The guy you were talking to looks like a real well-informed guy huh?
*Big waves of sarcasm enters the thread and floods it*
 
Kristafon said:
Hyper-transport? Im pretty sure it has that, and its the same thing. (eg.rag doll-impact physics)

Also- will I be able to replace my current CPU with a new AMD CPU or not?
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Whoa there buddy, maybe you shouldn't be getting into hardware arguments. You don't seem any more informed than your mate.
 
iamaelephant said:
Whoa there buddy, maybe you shouldn't be getting into hardware arguments. You don't seem any more informed than your mate.
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Thanks, but that dosent realy answer my question
 
Kristafson: You need to have a matching motherboard, and hypertransport and hyperthreading is two different things.
 
Champ said:
Kristafson: You need to have a matching motherboard, and hypertransport and hyperthreading is two different things.
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Ok I must have been misinformed
Can I put it this way

now AMD MB + AMD CPU :)

two years or so

AMD MB + :sniper: AMD CPU

and then

AMD MB + NEW AMD CPU :) or ;(
 
Kristafon said:
I have been having an anoying conversation with someone who is a non self confessed Pentium freak. Our talk was long but here are the main points that he made about my AMD 64 3000+

1.Overall its crap
2.There is no Pentium equivalent, its 2.00GHz full stop and thats crap, its nowhere near a 3.00 p4.
3.AMD's are better for everyday use, Pentiums are for gaming.
4.It will be outdated in 12 months.
5.Its actually not better than a 1.60 P4.
6.Hardly ANYTHING will be compatiable with the motherboard
7.The RAM will be soooo more expensive
8.You will never be able to upgrade the CPU without getting a totally new system
(I will add to as I remember)

My favorite part of the conversation-
Him:Havnt you noticed all your applications running really slow?
Me:Err, no

When I told him what people had said about 64's being decent he said-
Well theyre all AMD freaks
The cheak!
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He sucks. I was on my way to flame you but then I realized it wasn't you who made those points. Whoever it was, I say we get his adress and make a homecall.
 
Just thought I'd point these out. Might make you feel better.
1.Overall its crap
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Tom's Hardware - "A look at the benchmark results reveals that there are only few areas where Intel dominates. While the synthetic benchmarks often speak in favor of Intel's 3+ Gigahertz chips, there are only few real-life applications left that run better with Intel inside: audio/video encoding and some rendering applications. Games and multimedia applications have already been a domain of AMD's Athlon64"
2.There is no Pentium equivalent, its 2.00GHz full stop and thats crap, its nowhere near a 3.00 p4.
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If we measured performance in Operations Per Clock then we would be saying "There is no AMD equivalent, it's 6 OPC full stop and thats crap, its nowhere near a 12 OPC AMD64".
3.AMD's are better for everyday use, Pentiums are for gaming.
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Everyday and Gaming
4.It will be outdated in 12 months.
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There will be faster CPUs out in a year but right now anything down to a 2GHz or 2000+ CPU is far from obsolete. How long have we had those CPUs? Intel has been at 3GHz for almost 2years! Link
Talk about stuck in a rut.
5.Its actually not better than a 1.60 P4.
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(Doesn't show Athlon 64 or Prescott) 3Dmark2001 100-3066MHz, UT2003 100-3066MHz
6.Hardly ANYTHING will be compatiable with the motherboard
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Like what, a Pentium 4 CPU or perhaps a Xeon CPU?
7.The RAM will be soooo more expensive
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It's called DDR memory...Actually the Pentium 4 needs low latancy memory to keep up while AMD can use lower cost memory and still perform better. Which brings me to another point. The Pentium 4 requires dual channel for good performance while the Athlon 64 kicks ass in single (look at Athlon 64 2800+-3400+ and 3700+ CPUs on Socket 754).
8.You will never be able to upgrade the CPU without getting a totally new system
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Tell me, can you update the CPU on a Socket 478 board after buying a Pentium 4 3.2 or 3.4Ghz CPU? Nope. You can at least upgrade to 3700+ on Socket 754. Socket 939 will go beyond 4200+ next year.

By the way, generally people who know hardware are liking the Athlon 64 over the Pentium 4. Just go to the forums at www.TomsHardware.com and start a post, "What's best, Athlon 64 or Pentium 4?" or "Which do you perfer" and see the remarks...Seriously.

The pentium 4 does have it's strong points and a Pentium 4 isn't bad (just not the best) but right now the majority of applications on the desktop favor the Athlon 64, especially gaming.
 
Asus said:
Just thought I'd point these out. Might make you feel better.
Tom's Hardware - "A look at the benchmark results reveals that there are only few areas where Intel dominates. While the synthetic benchmarks often speak in favor of Intel's 3+ Gigahertz chips, there are only few real-life applications left that run better with Intel inside: audio/video encoding and some rendering applications. Games and multimedia applications have already been a domain of AMD's Athlon64"
If we measured performance in Operations Per Clock then we would be saying "There is no AMD equivalent, it's 6 OPC full stop and thats crap, its nowhere near a 12 OPC AMD64".
Everyday and Gaming
There will be faster CPUs out in a year but right now anything down to a 2GHz or 2000+ CPU is far from obsolete. How long have we had those CPUs? Intel has been at 3GHz for almost 2years! Link
Talk about stuck in a rut.
(Doesn't show Athlon 64 or Prescott) 3Dmark2001 100-3066MHz, UT2003 100-3066MHz
Like what, a Pentium 4 CPU or perhaps a Xeon CPU?
It's called DDR memory...Actually the Pentium 4 needs low latancy memory to keep up while AMD can use lower cost memory and still perform better. Which brings me to another point. The Pentium 4 requires dual channel for good performance while the Athlon 64 kicks ass in single (look at Athlon 64 2800+-3400+ and 3700+ CPUs on Socket 754).
Tell me, can you update the CPU on a Socket 478 board after buying a Pentium 4 3.2 or 3.4Ghz CPU? Nope. You can at least upgrade to 3700+ on Socket 754. Socket 939 will go beyond 4200+ next year.

By the way, generally people who know hardware are liking the Athlon 64 over the Pentium 4. Just go to the forums at www.TomsHardware.com and start a post, "What's best, Athlon 64 or Pentium 4?" or "Which do you perfer" and see the remarks...Seriously.

The pentium 4 does have it's strong points and a Pentium 4 isn't bad (just not the best) but right now the majority of applications on the desktop favor the Athlon 64, especially gaming.
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pwnd ten char limit
 
Point 7. RAM more expensive? I thought RAM is mad for all processors not one kind for Intel, one for AMD? I've got 256 DDR RAM (333Mhz) on my Intel mobo. Will I be able to use them on a mobo for an Athlon? I thought it's obvious that I will but now I'm confused.
 
stinger.aim92 said:
Point 7. RAM more expensive? I thought RAM is mad for all processors not one kind for Intel, one for AMD? I've got 256 DDR RAM (333Mhz) on my Intel mobo. Will I be able to use them on a mobo for an Athlon? I thought it's obvious that I will but now I'm confused.
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yes, you will.

i have an amd64 3000+. except for the nagging low voltage to my agp slot that i FINALLY figured out after a week of upgrading my cpu/mobo, this machine is flying along. amd 64 rocks my socks.

you got no worries Kristafon. both chips are nice, but i just wish more people would realize how sweet these amd64 chips really are. it seems like only the gaming geeks know this. amd needs a much much larger market share.
 
Kristafon said:
I have been having an anoying conversation with someone who is a non self confessed Pentium freak. Our talk was long but here are the main points that he made about my AMD 64 3000+

1.Overall its crap
2.There is no Pentium equivalent, its 2.00GHz full stop and thats crap, its nowhere near a 3.00 p4.
3.AMD's are better for everyday use, Pentiums are for gaming.
4.It will be outdated in 12 months.
5.Its actually not better than a 1.60 P4.
6.Hardly ANYTHING will be compatiable with the motherboard
7.The RAM will be soooo more expensive
8.You will never be able to upgrade the CPU without getting a totally new system
(I will add to as I remember)

My favorite part of the conversation-
Him:Havnt you noticed all your applications running really slow?
Me:Err, no

When I told him what people had said about 64's being decent he said-
Well theyre all AMD freaks
The cheak!
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Ok I'm not gonna read what anybody else posted I'm just gonna make some of these points:

He must have been on something, drunk, or just a fanboy in denial

The Athlon 64 3000+ is faster than a P4 3.0ghz

The Pentium 4 3.0ghz is ALREADY outdated, the A64 will be able to run Longhorn in 2006 because it's 64-bit but really in 1 year the top A64's of right now will be cheaper and stuff, so because of speed your A64 will be outdated in 1 year.

The ram won't be more expensive, the 64-FX used to need registered ram, now none of them do thanx to socket 939. Your A64 never needed registered ram.

AMD processors are better for gaming, A64 cpus are the BEST for gaming

You don't need a new system to upgrade

A 1.60ghz Pentium for is worse and than Athlon XP 1700+.

This guy if REALLY making me mad he either didn't know what he was talking about or was lying to make you get a Pentium, I' d guess the second one. Don't worry mate your processor owns his.
:cheers:
 
Asus said:
Just thought I'd point these out. Might make you feel better.
Tom's Hardware - "A look at the benchmark results reveals that there are only few areas where Intel dominates. While the synthetic benchmarks often speak in favor of Intel's 3+ Gigahertz chips, there are only few real-life applications left that run better with Intel inside: audio/video encoding and some rendering applications. Games and multimedia applications have already been a domain of AMD's Athlon64"
If we measured performance in Operations Per Clock then we would be saying "There is no AMD equivalent, it's 6 OPC full stop and thats crap, its nowhere near a 12 OPC AMD64".
Everyday and Gaming
There will be faster CPUs out in a year but right now anything down to a 2GHz or 2000+ CPU is far from obsolete. How long have we had those CPUs? Intel has been at 3GHz for almost 2years! Link
Talk about stuck in a rut.
(Doesn't show Athlon 64 or Prescott) 3Dmark2001 100-3066MHz, UT2003 100-3066MHz
Like what, a Pentium 4 CPU or perhaps a Xeon CPU?
It's called DDR memory...Actually the Pentium 4 needs low latancy memory to keep up while AMD can use lower cost memory and still perform better. Which brings me to another point. The Pentium 4 requires dual channel for good performance while the Athlon 64 kicks ass in single (look at Athlon 64 2800+-3400+ and 3700+ CPUs on Socket 754).
Tell me, can you update the CPU on a Socket 478 board after buying a Pentium 4 3.2 or 3.4Ghz CPU? Nope. You can at least upgrade to 3700+ on Socket 754. Socket 939 will go beyond 4200+ next year.

By the way, generally people who know hardware are liking the Athlon 64 over the Pentium 4. Just go to the forums at www.TomsHardware.com and start a post, "What's best, Athlon 64 or Pentium 4?" or "Which do you perfer" and see the remarks...Seriously.

The pentium 4 does have it's strong points and a Pentium 4 isn't bad (just not the best) but right now the majority of applications on the desktop favor the Athlon 64, especially gaming.
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Tom's hardware is not very reliable mind you, better off getting benchmarks from Maximum PC magazine (think they list the benchmarks on the site still, if not their magazine is very informative and unbiased)....I just don't see Tom's Hardware as a reliable source when they review 13 barebone cases in which a few are not reliable brands to begin with or even compare to companies like Shuttle or MSI
 
I don't have to link to Tom's Hardware.
Anandtech, Xbitlabs, Ace's Hardware, Techreport, Extremetech, GamePC, LostCircuits, FiringSquad all say the same thing.
They build their machines from scratch unless they are actually reviewing a Shuttle barebones or such system.

If you could, link me to some Maximum PC articles. Most people go online now instead of getting PC magazines, which isn't the best for your line of work. :\
 
No problem asus, I'll find a few this week for you....they are very informative, and their dream machine this year was great, they used a P4 LGA775 chip and it screamed....gimme a day :)
 
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