Was Waco worth it?

[W4d5Y]

Was the suspension of the posse comitatus act, the employment of fully automatic weapons against anything that moved within the proximity of the compound and the eventual genocide of inocent children and their parents just to break up a ranch full of christian fanatics really worth it?
What is your opinion?

 

[Mr Stabby]

I suppose not. What has this to do with the new world order?

 

[W4d5Y]

Nothing, I just watched a document0ry on it today, which included the subsequent cover-up of the evidence of misdemenour on the side of the law enforcement agencies that was conducted with the help of hillary clinton, who of course is a shapeshifting raptoid from a nazibase on the back side of the moon.
(did I say that right, demenour?)
Well, it just made me so angry to see those perfectly harmless christians die at the hand of the government (they call it the whore babylon and thought they were part of a biblical prophecy, also I think I heard something about the new world order. Oh hell, I'll just join the Birch-Society.)

Also, it's funny seeing how desperately you guys try to ridicule me at any time just desperately trying to discredit me or at least play down the importance of statements Clarky, Kat or myself have done in the past. At the moment I'm trying to find out wether Kat Hak has any evidence pointing out the remote possibility that the US has not only weather manipulation strategies, but can actually....shift billions of tons of earth to create earthquakes just to kill him off.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Also, it's funny seeing how desperately you guys try to ridicule me at any time just desperately trying to discredit me or at least play down the importance of statements Clarky, Kat or myself have done in the past. At the moment I'm trying to find out wether Kat Hak has any evidence pointing out the remote possibility that the US has not only weather manipulation strategies, but can actually....shift billions of tons of earth to create earthquakes just to kill him off.

Please, please tell me that this statement was a joke. I implore you.

Also, I gave you a week off for spamming up the politics forum with threads. You're only just back and doing it again. There is no burning need for you to create multiple topics on a daily basis. Keep it down.

 

[Krynn72]

Being pro-genocide myself, I obviously support it.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

pudding, i like it

 

[Saturos]

The ATF might as well be the U.S. version of the Nazi Secret Service. It's the only branch of federal investigation I truly despise. :flame: Janet Reno was deathly afraid of their stubborness and knew they wouldn't conform easily. Whether or not they had illegal weapons I don't know, but sending in tanks and shit was not necessary regardless. Nor was burning them alive for that matter.

Despite how much I detest the ATF's actions during that tragedy, the victims, knowing they would not give in to the agency's demands, should have at least sent their children to safety though.

ATF agents said it was accidental, whether or not that's true, they had no business doing what they did in the first place imo. They would've been harmless had the ATF and that lesbian bitch Senator Reno just left them alone. This would be a prime example of "unnecessary force" discussed in that other thread about the school shootings.

Oh, about pudding. I like pudding pies, but not pudding by itself, so that one didn't get my vote.

BTW: Is Wasdy a native German speaking citizen from Bravaria or is he an immigrant from some other country? Just curious.

 

[W4d5Y]

I am a native german speaking citizen from bavaria, I am not an immigrant from "some other country"
Well, I watched this document0ry about the incident, and that old woman there said they wouldn't send out their children because they wouldn't trust the ATF.
I would not either.
It is true they could have arrested the leader of that group at a better occasion, but it appears they knowingly chose to escalate the situation.

Bear in mind they had video cameras, yet they never released footage showing that the man who opened up the door the first time they approached the compound actually had a gun or was aggressive.
If he in fact was, they would have prooved it by releasing the video footage.

From FLIR footage it is clear they used excessive automatic gunfire and possibly even frag grenades. ( I do not know how the hell they would have em in law enforcement but hey, they had mounted machine guns in Bells and even tanks, so what gives)

 

[Eejit]

Depends on the type of pudding.

 

[Ridge]

From FLIR footage it is clear they used excessive automatic gunfire and possibly even frag grenades. ( I do not know how the hell they would have em in law enforcement but hey, they had mounted machine guns in Bells and even tanks, so what gives)

Yeah, because flashes on nightvision couldnt be something like a FLASHBANG, which was supposedly the root cause of the fire...

And yes, the federal government DOES own and operate fully automatic weapons.

Does w4d5y remind anybody else of the tour guide when Stewie and Brian are on the tour bus in Berlin?

 

[Raziaar]

I thought some of the Branch Davidians inside set the fire?

 

[Ridge]

Its disputed...the ATF says they started the fire to commit mass suicide, the Davidian's surviving family members said the ATF started the fire...

 

[W4d5Y]

What bus to berlin?

Well, the federal authorities knew of his plan because it said that in the bible that god were to protect them by a wall of flames, but if it was the Branch Davidians, then the ATF shouldn't have assaulted the building in the first place.

Also it's excessive force to shoot the first guy who opens up the door and who evidently (because of the inexplicable absence of evidence to proove the opposite) was not armed.

They also sniped two guys, as far as I can recall.
And I do understand the decision not to place yourself at the mercy of a bunch of trigger-happy federal lunatics.

I mean, trigger-happy like tanks, you know what I mean.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

omgnowai

 

[phantomdesign]

The incident was before my time, as most people here, our information only comes after-the-fact. Sure I remember the incident on TV and stuff, but I was far too young to analyze it.

The viewpoint of most of us here probably depends on which documentary you watch or your parents.

 

[Ridge]

Also it's excessive force to shoot the first guy who opens up the door and who evidently (because of the inexplicable absence of evidence to proove the opposite) was not armed.

Every agent in the area confirmed he had a hunting rifle with him at the time, and actually did fire off a shot at approaching agents...that is when they took him down.

 

[fido139]

Janet Reno

Was a woman who didn't even know who "Erin Clapner" was. I heard the original interview.