What do you think about this enegry plan?

[Bodacious]

From president Bush:

1. the president called for expanding his existing tax credit proposal, which currently applies to hybrid and fuel-cell vehicles, to include those using new clean diesel technology.

2. The president discussed a plan to encourage building oil refineries on former military sites. (note: that would prevent people from being run out of their homes. These refineries would be a hell of a lot cleaner and environmentally friendly than the military ever was on these sites)

3. He said the United States must develop policies to make it less dependent on oil and other fossil fuels.

4. "Technology is allowing us to better use our existing energy resources," Bush said. "And in the years ahead, technology will allow us to create entirely new sources of energy in ways earlier generations could never dream."

 

[kirovman]

I welcome the idea.

He also said something about encouraging the third world countries to adopt the clean technologies too, which sounds good if they stick by their word.

 

[kmack]

is this where he drills in a wildlife refuge? :dozey:

it's a good plan, but it could be A LOT better. its a start and im only slightly opposed to it

and its an ENERGY plan, at least spell check the TOPIC. (though thats probably how bush spelled it "we need alternatous energy sourcepoints, hehe")

 

[gh0st]

He's also pushing nuclear power.

 

[kirovman]

He's also pushing nuclear power.

All of the (sane) environmentalists like nuclear power. So says my mate doing environmental/hippy science anyway :E

Edit: That's environmentalists actually studying the environment btw, not the bandwagon ones.

 

[gh0st]

All of the (sane) environmentalists like nuclear power. So says my mate doing environmental/hippy science anyway :E

Sadly less than you'd think.

Ironically, more radioactive material is released into the air from coal plants than nuclear ones. Most people dont know that.

 

[kmack]

Sadly less than you'd think.

Ironically, more radioactive material is released into the air from coal plants than nuclear ones. Most people dont know that.

nowadays though, people get a little worried about terrorists (seeing as terrorist attacks TRIPLED last year) so having a nuclear plant put up in their town, could lead to concern for safety, based not on the plant, but the attacks it could instigate. I am all for nuclear power, but i dont want one near me and my family.

 

[gh0st]

nowadays though, people get a little worried about terrorists (seeing as terrorist attacks TRIPLED last year) so having a nuclear plant put up in their town, could lead to concern for safety, based not on the plant, but the attacks it could instigate. I am all for nuclear power, but i dont want one near me and my family.

Yeah. Terrorists can do a lot (in fact, they'd probably be doing a lot more terrorist attacks than if there wasent a war on terror) but with these new plants hopefully come greater security for them.

 

[Mr Stabby]

nuclear fuel is the way forward, although not the standard fusion version, a fission version is wahts need although there is no powerplant running fission yet its in devolpment, fission gives alot less radiationa nd deosnt produce radioactive waste

 

[kirovman]

Sadly less than you'd think.

Ironically, more radioactive material is released into the air from coal plants than nuclear ones. Most people dont know that.

Well considering Nuclear power releases water vapour, and coal power releases Carbon Dioxides/Monoxides etc, all kinds of poisonous chemicals associated with Carbon that's not suprising.

The only point environmentally against nuclear power is a meltdown (very unlikely with the industries high safety standards) and the use of spent nuclear fuel. The spent nuclear fuel can easily be sealed off or used again though.

A lot of environmentalists like Nuclear, since the waste can be sealed away easily, or recombined into crystals (in the future). The very localised effects of this radioactivity are outweighed by the global affects of pouring soot into the atmosphere.

nuclear fuel is the way forward, although not the standard fusion version, a fission version is wahts need although there is no powerplant running fission yet its in devolpment, fission gives alot less radiationa nd deosnt produce radioactive waste

I think you've got fission and fusion confused.

Fusion reactors will soon be entering the test stages, but it will be 40 years at least before commericial reactors are availible.
http://www.iter.org/

Or get clarkey to tell you about zero point energy :E

 

[kmack]

Yeah. Terrorists can do a lot (in fact, they'd probably be doing a lot more terrorist attacks than if there wasent a war on terror) but with these new plants hopefully come greater security for them.

Actually, you are wrong, the numbers from the US COunter Terrorism Center (branch of the CIA) says that attacks by terrorists have tripled in the past year (not counting all attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan). Generally, waging a successful war on something, doesnt result in a tripling of their influence, power, and attacks.


as you well know, the argument can be found here. please dont drag this off topic because you lost an argument in a different thread.
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79889

Hopefully greater security, but i dont want one near my family.

 

[gh0st]

kmack, is the war the only thing politically, and socially occuring in the middle east?

I too wouldnt want one near my family.

 

[Kangy]

I like it. Nice and clear, and with a good central ideal. I'm hoping Bush can raise my opinion of him a little and actually make this work, rather than simply saying what he'd like.

 

[Lobotomy Lobster]

I welcome this, but I'd like to see something a bit more dedicated.

It's certainly not anything impressive compared to many other countries, but considering this is from George Bush, it's certainly a good sign

 

[Bodacious]

rather than simply saying what he'd like.

That is all Bush can do as far as this energy stuff goes except sign bills into law, make executive orders, and appoint officials.

 

[kmack]

That is all Bush can do as far as this energy stuff goes except sign bills into law, make executive orders, and appoint officials.

think he actually signs it? or does dick cheney do it for him. "Use your big boy handwriting george".

I would like to see how this pans out. i dont want drilling in the arctic wildlife refuges, no matter how "safe and clean" its a lot less safe and clean than what is there now.

 

[bliink]

Yeah. Terrorists can do a lot (in fact, they'd probably be doing a lot more terrorist attacks than if there wasent a war on terror) but with these new plants hopefully come greater security for them.

Terrorism isn't a MAJOR threat to nuclear power stations nuclear-wise. The biggest impact would be power cuts, not nuclear fallout or anything; theres not a massive amount of radioactive material in a reactor, and what material IS in there is protected by concrete strong enough to withstand a fighter jet slamming into it, or an RPG hitting it.

One thing that was quite frightening though, was a situation that occured a few years ago (IIRC):

Lots of these facilities take their security personnel out to replica mock-ups of facilities (wooden shooting houses etc) and stage "terrorist" attacks with paintball weapons to test how security responds.
Time after time, in every assessment, the defenders succeded in protecting the facility from attack- successfully ambushing/flanking the attackers and sustaining little (if any) casualties of their own.

However, it turned out that the security guards had found a way to peak at the "battle plans" of the contractor that ran the tests, and knew where their enemies would be; making them able to park trucks for cover in strategic locations in advance, put men where they'd be needed etc.

The company decided to run a REAL test to find out what would actually happen if the guards weren't 'cheating'. It took the "terrorists" about 1 min 40 secs (IIRC) to break in, 'kill' most of the guards and escape with 30kg of plutonium suitable for weapons, loaded into the back of the plants' own truck.

These problems have since been fixed, but imagine what else could be undetected when it comes to security proceedure!

 

[Mr Stabby]

I think you've got fission and fusion confused.

Fusion reactors will soon be entering the test stages, but it will be 40 years at least before commericial reactors are availible.
http://www.iter.org/

Or get clarkey to tell you about zero point energy :E

yeh, lol I was tired when i wrote that

 

[The Monkey]

Why hasn't the bastard signed the Kyoto treaty?

 

[kmack]

Why hasn't the bastard signed the Kyoto treaty?

oh dont get me started on that :angry:

the comic in my sig gives my opinion of drilling in the arctic :thumbs: