what if they had a protest and no one came?

[CptStern]

Supreme court of Canada rules Same-sex marriage is legal

it barely made the front page of the news, the majority of canadians felt that this should be self-evident ...over half of canada's provinces have made it legal, now it's just a matter of it being made into a federal law. Btw no one picketed the supreme court today. This ruling is one more step towards equality for all canadians ..congrats!

 

[burner69]

Thank God.

Well done Canadians *claps*

**Looks at America**

 

[Absinthe]

Canada's going to Hell.

 

[CptStern]

yay! hell is more fun anyways! all the jebus freaks will be in heaven

 

[seinfeldrules]

Supreme court of Canada rules Same-sex marriage is legal

it barely made the front page of the news, the majority of canadians felt that this should be self-evident ...over half of canada's provinces have made it legal, now it's just a matter of it being made into a federal law. Btw no one picketed the supreme court today. This ruling is one more step towards equality for all canadians ..congrats!

Just because Canada supports it, doesnt mean America has to. Your opinion is no more correct than somebody else's, to think so is just arrogant and foolish.

 

[burner69]

Just because Canada supports it, doesnt mean America has to. Your opinion is no more correct than somebody else's, to think so is just arrogant and foolish.

Yes it does, you're breaking human rights and stepping back to the 60s.

Your opinion harms other human beings quality of life, therefore it should not be allowed to be passed.

What if Bush passed a law that stated women could not get jobs? Or men cannot vote. Etc etc. It's his opinion, why should you be allowed to state yours, just cuz your life is being affected.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Yes it does, you're breaking human rights and stepping back to the 60s.

Civil unions would give exactly the same rights to both gays and heterosexuals.

What if Bush passed a law that stated women could not get jobs? Or men cannot vote. Etc etc

F.Y.I. laws need to be passed in Congress, approved by the President, then can be looked over by the Supreme Court. Its not like Bush waves his magic wand as you suggest.

 

[burner69]

So why can't homosexuals marry in some states?

Go on... explain. Regardless whether it was Bush, congress, my mother who had the final say in this, it has still happened and many lives are being affected.

If these civil unions exist, why can't gays marry?

Something is fundamentally wrong in your country if laws like this can be passed, and many of the population see no problem with it; cuz altho it undermines human rights and is prejudice towards a group of people - it makes a few people a bit happier about their definition of marriage.

If religion is being used to harm anothers way of life it needs looking at.

Love thy neighbour etc

Do it for Christs sake.

 

[Steve]

Just because Canada supports it, doesnt mean America has to. Your opinion is no more correct than somebody else's, to think so is just arrogant and foolish.

That's funny...I thought the right to think your opinion is better that someone elses and argue that point was one of our treasured American values?

 

[Ennui]

Amazingly enough, this is going to turn into yet ANOTHER gay marriage thread.

 

[burner69]

Amazingly enough, this is going to turn into yet ANOTHER gay marriage thread.

Let it. I really want to understand reasoning behind treating one person better than another, based around who that person finds sexually attractive. I really would.

 

[seinfeldrules]

So why can't homosexuals marry in some states?

All states. American citizens voted it down overwhelmingly in every state the issue was on the ballot.

If these civil unions exist, why can't gays marry?

They dont. I want them too and so do most people. The extremists from both sides are preventing this.

I thought the right to think your opinion is better that someone elses and argue that point was one of our treasured American values?

Huh? Mind rewording this? Lost me.

 

[burner69]

So because the majority of americans, it seems, are homophobic idiots (sorry), that gives you the right to undermine another persons rights. Keep it going and you'll end up like Iraq was or something, jesus.

I personally couldn't give a crap if everyone in America voted against it, it should be illegal to undermine human rights in the way that's been done here. What if the world voted about shooting Bush. I'm serious. If the world voted "Should we shoot Bush" and 60% of the people said yes, would it make it right? NO IT WOULD NOT!

You also didn't really explain why someones sexual orientation should be undermined, and WHY these people voted against it. Religion? Pah! You're all going straight to hell if you think you've got the right to harm another human beings life who has nothing to do with you.

 

[burner69]

They dont. I want them too and so do most people. The extremists from both sides are preventing this.

Could you explain please, sorry.

If its just the extremists on both sides, how did the vote get passed overwhelmingly?

 

[The Monkey]

Gay marriage has been legal here for quite some time, I belive. As for adoption, it's only allowed if one of the two partners is parent to the child (from a previous marrige etc). I think that everybody should, if proven good partents, be allowed to adopt children.

 

[seinfeldrules]

So because the majority of americans, it seems, are homophobic idiots (sorry), that gives you the right to undermine another persons rights. Keep it going and you'll end up like Iraq was or something, jesus.

No, they just dont like the word marriage being used. It is a very religious country, just as many are. Civil unions would easily pass in all but the most religious, southern states.

What if the world voted about shooting Bush. I'm serious. If the world voted "Should we shoot Bush" and 60% of the people said yes, would it make it right?

You're comparing apples and meat.

You also didn't really explain why someones sexual orientation should be undermined, and WHY these people voted against it. Religion? Pah! You're all going straight to hell if you think you've got the right to harm another human beings life who has nothing to do with you.

You never asked... They voted against it because it goes against the whole tradition of marriage. It has always been between a man and a woman, not man and man. Is it not unfair to the people who hold the word 'marriage' very seriously to undermine its value? That is why civil unions are perfect in my eyes. They give equal rights to gays without infringing upon the word marriage. Both sides reach a compromise.

Could you explain please, sorry.

If its just the extremists on both sides, how did the vote get passed overwhelmingly?

Again, they voted against gay marriage, not civil unions. The extremists from the left should have gone for civil unions, they were too stubborn and tried to acheive an unrealistic result. The extremists from the right are against all gay activity.

 

[burner69]

No, they just dont like the word marriage being used. It is a very religious country, just as many are. Civil unions would easily pass in all but the most religious, southern states.

You're comparing apples and meat.

You never asked...

So why can't homosexuals marry in some states?

They voted against it because it goes against the whole tradition of marriage. It has always been between a man and a woman, not man and man. Is it not unfair to the people who hold the word 'marriage' very seriously to undermine its value? That is why civil unions are perfect in my eyes. They give equal rights to gays without infringing upon the word marriage. Both sides reach a compromise.

Again, they voted against gay marriage, not civil unions. The extremists from the left should have gone for civil unions, they were too stubborn and tried to acheive an unrealistic result. The extremists from the right are against all gay activity

And supposing I'm gay, religious, and in love, and would like my partnership be done in the eyes of God? What then?

In comparing apples and meat I'm making a point, just cuz the majority vote for it doesn't make it right. If this is 'democracy' it is clearly flawed, and fuelling hatred towards groups of people.

Just cos somethings always been in such a state makes it no more right. Pretty much ALL blacks in old America used to be slaves. It needed changing, as does this gay marriage ban.

It's unfair if they feel the word marriage is undermined, but it is far more unfair to prevent homosexuals from marrying - simple as that.

Incidently, I may sound like I hate you, but I learn a lot from debating with you - keep it up :cheers:

 

[nib]

So because the majority of americans, it seems, are homophobic idiots (sorry),

So not thinking we should upturn thousands of years of tradition based on a relatively small activist movement is homophobic and makes me an idiot?

that gives you the right to undermine another persons rights. Keep it going and you'll end up like Iraq was or something, jesus.

You mean the country we're attempting to liberate and give freedoms that they haven't enjoyed in years and in some cases ever?

I personally couldn't give a crap if everyone in America voted against it, it should be illegal to undermine human rights in the way that's been done here.

Please explain how it is a human right to forbid people from participating in a government sactioned and run institution? Also, at least in the US, I challenge you to show me where in the US Constitition (which should govern all laws) it says that everyone has a right to marriage?

The fact is, it *should* be a state issue except we've setup some bad precidents that up until now hadn't really been that big of a deal (full faith and credit clause of the constitution).

What if the world voted about shooting Bush. I'm serious. If the world voted "Should we shoot Bush" and 60% of the people said yes, would it make it right? NO IT WOULD NOT!

So you equate murder with marriage? Seriously? I've seen your posts, you're smarter than this.

You also didn't really explain why someones sexual orientation should be undermined,

Not allowing same sex marriage doesn't undermine anyones sexual preference. You're still free to have sex with whoever you want.

and WHY these people voted against it. Religion? Pah! You're all going straight to hell if you think you've got the right to harm another human beings life who has nothing to do with you.

First, not allowing marriage doesn't "harm" another person's life. Secondly, the reason people vote against it is because the term "Marriage" has a very specific and personal meaning to the vast majority of people. Marriage has been between a man and a woman, period. Our entire civilization as well as laws, have been created based on that assumption. Changing the definition of marriage on a dime will create legal headaches that we haven't even begun to think about, not to mention, and more importantly, the fact that it weakens the family unit, which is what has built our society.

Now, let me ask you this, and this isn't rhetorical. Should a man be allowed to marry his sister?

If you support gay marriage then you have no choice but to answer yes. Do you think it is ok? Do you think society would be better off with this? What about their offspring?

I'll be honest, the gay marriage issue is an issue that I have the most trouble with. Part of me thinks it is no big deal, but then part of me says that it is just wrong. The "no big deal" part thinks "well, two adults can do what they want". Although, there are ramifications to marriage that really make it more complex than that. But, the part of me that is against it says that it is just not a good thing for our society. It'd be hard to argue that socially we're a better nation than we were 30 years ago. We're not. There is a concerted effort by various left wing activist groups to totally destroy all the principles and values that make America what it is and gay marriage is just another step ahead in that march. That is what makes me against it.

 

[jverne]

No, they just dont like the word marriage being used. It is a very religious country, just as many are. Civil unions would easily pass in all but the most religious, southern states.

OMFG!!!! America a religious country!! thats a good one, yes they are religious but in what religion, satanism? you're probably the most heretic and blasphemous country in the world!! you have the most cults, churches, denominations and sects than any country in the world!

"off topic:"
N. Korea or Iran have more moral values than america! just ask me why!
"on topic"

face it you're just a xenophobic republican, destined to end up on historys junkyard! the world is in constantly changing, those who do not change with it are left behind! and i really belive that liberal minds are more susectible to this changes!

if it were your way we'd probably be burning witches like 400 years ago!

"OMFG!!! a witch!! she wears underware!! lets cut her head off!! if her head falls down then she is not a witch!!!" ok stupid example but you get the idea!!

no offense m8, but you really should broaden your mind (expression?) a little!

 

[GiaOmerta]

So because the majority of americans, it seems, are homophobic idiots (sorry)

If you were sorry you wouldnt of made the comment in the first place.
Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a women.
Marriage was developed for the foundation of a family.
Men and women together can create a family.
A man and man cannot procreate.
A woman and a woman cannot procreate.
Marriage is between a 'man and man' - 'woman and woman' is not neccessary.
Two members from the same sex can love each other.
The purpose of sexual intercourse is procreation with the side effect of pleasure.
Benefit that married couples receive is not necessary for the homosexual couple as they cannot procreate.

Homophobia would suggest a fear of homosexuals.
Their is no fear involved in which I just explained.
My country and the majority of it's citizens on a national level dont agree homosexual should marry. That's that. Why should you care? It seems your not a citizen of the United States, as your referred to it's citizens are homophobic idiots.

 

[CptStern]

not issue is about equality not tolerance. You dont protect the rights of those that are intolerant, you protect the rights of the minority that deserve equal right. Oh and Seinfeldrules, you steered this discussion towards america, I dont care what america does, this is a celebration for canadians

 

[GiaOmerta]

face it you're just a xenophobic republican, destined to end up on historys junkyard! the world is in constantly changing, those who do not change with it are left behind! and i really belive that liberal minds are more susectible to this changes!

if it were your way we'd probably be burning witches like 400 years ago!

"OMFG!!! a witch!! she wears underware!! lets cut her head off!! if her head falls down then she is not a witch!!!" ok stupid example but you get the idea!!

no offense m8, but you really should broaden your mind (expression?) a little!

**** change. My family is from Sicily, so we never burned witches, but we killed a bunch of French. 'Morte alla Francia Italia alla!'
And
Those who will change WILL be left behind.

face it you're just a xenophobic republican, destined to end up on historys junkyard!

Sure. As history will constantly altered. Certain details are mysteriously left out of the loop.

and i really belive that liberal minds are more susectible to this changes!

They are the ones who manipulate this change. Hidden under their lies and deceptation is their true plan: The eridcation of freedom.
**** them. They got nothing on wops.

 

[CptStern]

man, I grew up in an italian community and I must say ..you're pretty whacko for a paisan

 

[nib]

OMFG!!!! America a religious country!! thats a good one, yes they are religious but in what religion, satanism? you're probably the most heretic and blasphemous country in the world!! you have the most cults, churches, denominations and sects than any country in the world!

That's the impression you get when you're opinion is based on the news or other small pockets of the US. As a whole, the US is a religious, god fearing country. Take a look at the infamous red and blue map from the 2000 or 2004 election. The blue states are where what you say above holds true. The red states are where you'll find the god fearing religious folks. The blue states control the media.

face it you're just a xenophobic republican, destined to end up on historys junkyard! the world is in constantly changing, those who do not change with it are left behind! and i really belive that liberal minds are more susectible to this changes!

Change for the sake of change doesn't mean it is good.

if it were your way we'd probably be burning witches like 400 years ago!

That's funny, above you went on and on about how this country is full of cults, satanists, heritecs, etc. Funny thing is, this country allows that. Even the religious right. They may not like it and sure, they'll make a stink about it, but this country still allows it. It is the greatness of this country that we have such a diverse mix of religions and beliefs. Yet, in the same post you make it seem as if we're both intollerant of others and accepting at the same time, which is it?

no offense m8, but you really should broaden your mind (expression?) a little!

Based on your opening statement, I think it is you that should broaden yours, you need to go beyond what you read about or what you hear on the news about this country. The US is a great place that offers opportunity to minority groups unlike any other country.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Stern, look at the second post in the topic

Thank God.

Well done Canadians *claps*

**Looks at America**

And I guided it towards America? Come on now.

 

[CptStern]

I dont control what other people post

 

[seinfeldrules]

I dont control what other people post

haha you still blamed it on me though? Its not my fault he pointed it down America alley, yell at him for ruining your topic, not me.

 

[seinfeldrules]

OMFG!!!! America a religious country!! thats a good one, yes they are religious but in what religion, satanism? you're probably the most heretic and blasphemous country in the world!! you have the most cults, churches, denominations and sects than any country in the world!

You're right, we do offer Freedom of Religion. My apology. Of course there will be more than one religion. However, that has nothing to do with the large amount of religious followers that live here.

face it you're just a xenophobic republican, destined to end up on historys junkyard! the world is in constantly changing, those who do not change with it are left behind! and i really belive that liberal minds are more susectible to this changes!

OK, then why was John Kerry "left behind!"? Ah yes, I forgot America was one large cesspool of idiots. That the answer you were looking for?

if it were your way we'd probably be burning witches like 400 years ago!

Dont forget those damn wizards. Gandalf got nothing on me.

 

[GiaOmerta]

the world is in constantly changing

I'll bury that world.

man, I grew up in an italian community and I must say ..you're pretty whacko for a paisan

Like I said. I'm Sicilian.

 

[Absinthe]

Wow, people are against change. I suggest these people regress back to the stone age and live in blissful ignorance.

Seriously, wtf? Meh, I'm tired and irritated at you monkeys.

Sleep tight. Let the bed bugs bite.

I hate you.

 

[GiaOmerta]

We can all regress with the deployment of an E-bomb.
FYI We hate you too.

 

[Javert]

So not thinking we should upturn thousands of years of tradition based on a relatively small activist movement is homophobic and makes me an idiot?

...Also, at least in the US, I challenge you to show me where in the US Constitition (which should govern all laws) it says that everyone has a right to marriage?

Now, let me ask you this, and this isn't rhetorical. Should a man be allowed to marry his sister?

1. So was slavery. And the activist movement is by no means "small".

2. Where in the US Constitution says you can't. The Constitutions is a declaration of human rights, not of human no-no's.

3. Yes, as long as it's consensual. Of course the problem in that is scientific when it comes to offspring: genetic damage.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Wow, people are against change. I suggest these people regress back to the stone age and live in blissful ignorance.

Seriously, wtf? Meh, I'm tired and irritated at you monkeys.

Sleep tight. Let the bed bugs bite.

I hate you.

I may lose sleep over this it stung so much.

PS I love you too. :imu:

PPS If I were a monkey, I'd look like this -> :monkee:

 

[nib]

1. So was slavery. And the activist movement is by no means "small".

2. Where in the US Constitution says you can't. The Constitutions is a declaration of human rights, not of human no-no's.

3. Yes, as long as it's consensual. Of course the problem in that is scientific when it comes to offspring: genetic damage.

1) So slavery is the same as forbidding gay marriage? Really? Let's keep things in perspective here. Holding another person against his will and forcing him into labor is a tad different then the government not sanctioning a union.

2) No it isn't. The US Constitution is a document that explains exactly, in detail, what the FEDERAL government CAN do. The Bill of rights is also a list of RIGHTS of people that the FEDERAL government CANNOT infringe. Thus, the federal government can't deny you the right to own guns, a local city or town can. The 10th admendment pretty much sums it all up in my opion, paraphrased: Whatever we didn't outline in this document as being powers of the government is left to the states and the people". So, like I said earlier, it really should be a state issue. The problem is that we've setup a system where one state can make laws that have to be enforced in other states, which creates a bit of a paradox.

3) If you see no problem with a brother marrying his sister, then there's no reason for us to continue the discussion. You have morals and principles that are 180 degrees opposite of mine and we'll never see eye-to-eye.

 

[Steve]

Huh? Mind rewording this? Lost me.

I'm sorry, that was poorly worded. Okay, you said that to think your opinion is better than anyone else is to be arrogant and foolish. But thinking your opinion is better than someone else is the basis for debate, which means it is the basis for multiple voices in this great land we call America. People with strong opinions bring about change, a great deal of the time for the better. So how is it arrogant and foolish to think that you're right and they're wrong. If people HERE didn't think their opinions were better than anyone elses, then we'd just have one big uniform political party and nothing would ever change.

 

[nib]

I'm sorry, that was poorly worded. Okay, you said that to think your opinion is better than anyone else is to be arrogant and foolish. But thinking your opinion is better than someone else is the basis for debate, which means it is the basis for multiple voices in this great land we call America. People with strong opinions bring about change, a great deal of the time for the better. So how is it arrogant and foolish to think that you're right and they're wrong. If people HERE didn't think their opinions were better than anyone elses, then we'd just have one big uniform political party and nothing would ever change.

Yep. Not only that, it is silly to say that all opinions are "equal" and deserve equal respect which is something I've noticed gets thrown around a lot. It seems that the push in education now days is more about making sure you "respect other's opinion" than it is about dissecting and determining the validity of that opinion.

The fact is, opinions CAN be wrong. Opinions can be assinine and not all opinions are created equal.

What if I was of the opinion that women just simply couldn't compete with men in science or math fields? That's both a stupid opinion and a proovably false one and frankly doesn't deserve to be "respected".

:cheers:

 

[seinfeldrules]

I'm sorry, that was poorly worded. Okay, you said that to think your opinion is better than anyone else is to be arrogant and foolish. But thinking your opinion is better than someone else is the basis for debate, which means it is the basis for multiple voices in this great land we call America. People with strong opinions bring about change, a great deal of the time for the better. So how is it arrogant and foolish to think that you're right and they're wrong. If people HERE didn't think their opinions were better than anyone elses, then we'd just have one big uniform political party and nothing would ever change.

My fault. I should have said that anyone who believes their opinion is the only one with credibility is foolish and arrogant.

 

[gh0st]

Wow, people are against change.

if that change involves gay people marrying, then yeah i am against it.

if that change involves you committing suicide, im all for it. :thumbs:

 

[Death.Trap]

Thank God.

Well done Canadians *claps*

**Looks at America**

I have an incling that "Thank God" is the wrong phrase.

 

[CptStern]

I'll bury that world.

Like I said. I'm Sicilian.

yes and they're known for having a testa dura


anyways, you want to support descrimination that's your perogative ..mind you it's funny how the irony is lost on you ...you willingly treat some americans as inferior