What is so hard about getting guns correct in CS?

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I know probably nobody cares but to me this is highly annoying. A Sig Sauer P228 for instance is only available in 9mm, not in .357 sig as in CS. It has a stamped carbon steel slide and can't withstand the high pressure of a .357sig (or .40s&w) cartrige (p226's p229's, and p239's can be chambered in .357sig). A galil (defender) is chambered in 5.56mm (same as m4) and not .308 and it takes 30rd mags, furthermore a 35rd .308 mag would be absolutely ****ing ridiculously heavy and awkward (both M1a's and Fal's are .308 and they take 20rd mags). The m4a2 is wrongly labled as an m4a1. The most obvious indication is the forward assist located on the right side of the rifle. I'm sure there are more. I guess I'm just a gun nut (have a large collection and go shooting at least twice a month) so I notice these things. Anyways, I'm done ranting now.
 
Uh, dude, No offence but you may be reading into CS a little too much.

CS isn't meant to be total realism, Just Semi-Realism.
 
Why the **** do you care its only CS.
 
Kyo said:
It's a game.
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well said :p

CS isn't even suposed to be realistic. Fire a real weapon then notice how stupid cs is.
 
IchI said:
CS isn't even suposed to be realistic. Fire a real weapon then notice how stupid cs is.
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exactly, if they wanted CS to have realistic weapons it could have been easily achieved, however doing so would affect gameplay, then it wouldnt be CS would it?

Im sure a mod will come along that has realistic weapons and such pretty soon... with Hl2 coming out I think we are going to see a ton of different ideas (hopefuly) come to fruition.

play TS, it owns.

edit: Sig, if your a huge gun nut (for real, not just claiming to be one), you should scour the net and find a mod team that is doing something that you are interested in, then join their forums and (without being arrogant) either offer your services as a realism supervisor, or just provide solid input to the team.
 
The Arctic Winter Magnum will not kill you instantly in real life if it shoots you in the foot.

Bitch about that, like everyone else does, instead of what kind of ammo the guns use.

AAAAND yes, The Specialists is the best mod for HL IMHO. Even though in 2.1 they made mega jump a pickup *sob*
 
What on earth gave you the idea CS was supposed to be realistic?
 
Cylleruion2012 said:
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AAAAND yes, The Specialists is the best mod for HL IMHO. Even though in 2.1 they made mega jump a pickup *sob*
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well I was happy about that, before I would always freaking end up superjumping when I meant to do a flying jump kick.
hehe

slinter said:
cs? whats cs?
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CS= Colon-Shift.
 
TS is really good.

Which just reminded me to reinstall it.
 
is slinter serious? do you really not know what CS is?

God, how I'd love to be you.
 
Mr. Redundant said:
play TS, it owns.
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I'm going to build several churches in your honour for reminding me about TS. A 2min round against my brother Adam was awesome.
 
Kyo said:
I'm going to build several churches in your honour for reminding me about TS. A 2min round against my brother Adam was awesome.
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What version are you playing (2.1 is the latest)? I'd like to play you sometime.
 
Im up for a game
e-mail: mrredundantts at mail.com (its @, but I dont want spam)

latest version using steam.
 
I don't expect the gameplay itself to be totally realistic in most games, however how hard is it to use accurate info regarding the gun models you do use?? It seems to me even a person that doesn't know anything about guns could easily produce the correct info about these guns in less than 30 min searching the internet. I'm sorry but I just think if your going to make this really cool game you should at least use accurate info about the gun models you use, especially if guns is a large focus of the game itself.
 
its not hard at all, however its what they chose to do.

Im still wondering why they changed all the names of the rifles into silyl little names.
 
Why the hell does everyone want cs to realistic!?!?!If you want realistic go play rainbow six.
 
Tr0n said:
Why the hell does everyone want cs to realistic!?!?!If you want realistic go play rainbow six.
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I never said I wanted it to be realistic. Realism would be jumping not nearly as high and dying alot faster. If your going to go through the trouble of making spec sheets for all the guns in the game it's pretty retarded if you can't even get them right as it would take minimal effort. I don't like games that are ultra realistic, but if your going to use a weapon model from a real weapon it's pretty gay IMO if you can't even do that right. That being said I love playing CS, and don't give me the argument of it not being realistic because I know that. There's absolutely no reason to fudge up the specs IMO. Once I went to H&H gun range and some dorky gamer kept asking to rent the Deagle. It was pretty ****ing hilarious watching the guy behind the counter try to figure out what a Deagle was. I always figured they changed the names for legal reasons, but obviously I have no clue.
 
JimmehH said:
Isn't Deagle short for Desert Eagle?
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Yes it is, but apparantly this kid didn't know it was short for anything. He literally kept asking to rent the "Deagle". I spoke up for him eventually and said I thought he meant the Desert Eagle.
 
The way the "deagle" got its name is because that's what the model file is called. It's quite annoying in CS because when the game went retail they had to change all of the weapon names. They were all correctly named in the betas.
 
Yeah, the names were changed as VALVe would have to pay to use the real gun names in an official retail product.
 
Yep. Bloody liscence laws and stuff.
 
I agree about the origonal statement. Its little details that make the difference. BEST ONLINE GAME IN THE WORLD! I would think people would take more time on details. And for everyone that says its just a game, well, you like boys.
 
SIGbastard said:
2.6ghz p4 800fsb, asus p4p800 mobo, 1G corsair twin pro series memory, ati radeon 9800pro 128 mb, 40G seagate 7200rpm hard drive, and creative labs live vaule 5.1 sound card.
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Refer to my sig.
 
umop said:
Refer to my sig.
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I can post whatever the **** I want in my sig line. For example look at my new one. Those aren't even my specs anyways. By the way if I wanted your opinion on my sigline then I would have started a thread labled: "what ya think of my sig line?"
Now if you have anything pertaining to the actual topic then speak your part. Otherwise your opinion is neither needed nor wanted.
 
I'd really like CS to be more realistic (the weapon-way), as SIGbastard is saying.
You could easily do this, making it much more interesting for the gamers. Every weapon would really have its way of playing, not as it is now (ak47 just has bigger recoil, but thats it). I wouldn't go as far as they did with America's Army, though. I'd really be pissed of when I would've sneeked up to a guy and the moment I would pull the trigger, I'd hear a click meaning my darn weapon would've jammed again :)
 
SIGbastard ... actually ur not allowed to write " whatever the ****" you want in a sig line, especially if it is insulting to another member of the forum. Grow up, he was merely expressing an opinion.

Anyways, I love CS the way it is ... just updated with better sounds would be great!
 
Actually I can post whatever the **** I want. I don't care if I'm banned. If I wanted I'd just create a new account with another email, or change my ip if neccessary. So yes I can. That's not to say there wouldn't be reprecussions, but there's really not much that could be done that I would care about.
 
Kirkburn said:
SIGbastard ... actually ur not allowed to write " whatever the ****" you want in a sig line, especially if it is insulting to another member of the forum. Grow up, he was merely expressing an opinion.

Anyways, I love CS the way it is ... just updated with better sounds would be great!
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I'm merely expressing my opinion as well.
 
Whoa, hey calm down. If you want a CS to be realistic, just go ask Valve. Of course, there would be serious opposition to all of the changes resulting in a boycott and eventually the downfall of CS. That would lead to Valve going bankrupt (no CS = major cash loss), and ending with no more CS.

:bounce:
 
SIGbastard said:
I'm merely expressing my opinion as well.
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U realise that by having that immature sig Umop has won? Just thought I might point that out to you :p

The Thing said:
That would lead to Valve going bankrupt (no CS = major cash loss), and ending with no more CS.
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VALVe would go bankrupt? I think thats a little over the top, but i do agree with the rest of your post :)
 
Kirkburn said:
U realise that by having that immature sig Umop has won? Just thought I might point that out to you :p


VALVe would go bankrupt? I think thats a little over the top, but i do agree with the rest of your post :)
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You guys aren't even reading my posts. I never once said cs should be totally realistic. I only implied they should do a better job with the specs on the guns they use. That changes nothing about the gameplay unless you take it to mean that I mean to chenge the way the weapons fire as well. Oh and uh I wasn't trying to win anything. I simply found it annoying that somebody wanted to tell me I'm stupid for putting my old specs in my sig line. If you don't like it then don't put it in your sig line, just don't bother me about it. I was never really angered, and am still not. I don't need to "calm down" I was just trying to get a rise out of umop and then later the moderator, but it obviously didn't work. Oh and IMO it's just as immature to post something in a thread completely unrelated to the topic when the only objevtive was to "poke fun" at somebody else.
 
umop: There are no rules about people having their computer specs (or anyone elses for that matter in their signatures). If we have a problem with someone's signature we'll ask them to remove it or remove it for them. You're more than entitled to your own opinion but there's no need to hijack a thread just to flame someone.

SIGbastard: Whereas having computer specs in your signature line is fine, there are still limitations on what we'll allow. We don't allow any links to inapporpriate material, excessive swearing, inapporpriate comments or offensive comments. Your signature could be categorised under the latter ones of those issues and therefore I'd like to ask you to change it.

This thread needs to go back on topic or I'll have to close.

Thanks.
 
I also apologise. Someitmes I seem to get too close into the arguements when trying to sort them out ... main thing I say is - stay happy!

Does anyone know of a list of the guns names in CS and their real names / a website that can change them to real names? I'm not sure whether I'd change them myself, but it does confuse me when people still refer to the guns by their original/real names :)

I'd love to see more realistic guns as well I s'pose. In summary:
No change to gameplay, just better graphical/sonic accuracy for the guns!
 
The original names to the best of my knowledge:

H&K USP .45 Tactical
Glock18 Select Fire
Desert Eagle .50AE
SIG P228
FN Five-seveN
Dual Beretta Elites

Benelli M3 Super90
Benelli XM1014


AK-47
Sig SG-552 Commando
Colt M4A1 Carbine
Steyr Aug
Steyr Scout
AI Arctic Warfare/Magnum
H&K G3/SG-1 Sniper Rifle
FAMAS
SIG SG 550 Sniper
IMI Galil

H&K MP5-Navy
Steyr Tactical Machine Pistol
FN P90
Ingram MAC-10

FN M249 Para
 
Chris_D said:
The original names to the best of my knowledge:

H&K USP .45 Tactical
Glock18 Select Fire
Desert Eagle .50AE
SIG P228
FN Five-seveN
Dual Beretta Elites

Benelli M3 Super90
Benelli XM1014


AK-47
Sig SG-552 Commando
Colt M4A1 Carbine
Steyr Aug
Steyr Scout
AI Arctic Warfare/Magnum
H&K G3/SG-1 Sniper Rifle
FAMAS
SIG SG 550 Sniper
IMI Galil

H&K MP5-Navy
Steyr Tactical Machine Pistol
FN P90
Ingram MAC-10

FN M249 Para
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Looks good to me except that the m4a1 is really an m4a2 (the forward assist gives this away).
Not sure about the HK G3. There are several different HK G3 sniper configurations and they all have specific names. My friend who collects HK's would know. I understand changing the names for legal reasons. The only thing that bugs me is getting the calibers messed up. I know I'm just being anal so I think I'm done with my thread.
 
I could have been just as anal but I took what Kirkburn was requesting more to be the names that were originally used in CS before it went retail. Counter-Strike wise it's spot on :)
 
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