what's iraq really about

[jverne]

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/iraq_for_sale.php


more or less i've been saying this from day 1. but of course government never lies , right?



you really should watch...it gets really interesting after 50:00

 

[Warped]

thats an excellent documentary and one can understand how much money is wasted there

 

[Maturin]

imo

President Bush wanted to rewrite the lackluster story of his dad's intervention there and take Baghdad.

Cheney wanted to flex the US's international muscles and assert its authority.

Rumsfeld wanted to prove the efficacy of his vision for a lightweight, high-tech army.

Wolfowitz wanted to remake the Middle East in his own image by spreading democracy.

 

[CptStern]

that doesnt seem like valid reasons as to why they lied to americans and sent thousands to their deaths

 

[jverne]

that doesnt seem like valid reasons as to why they lied to americans and sent thousands to their deaths

so billions upon billions of dollars for you and your buddies are not really a valid reason to lie?...we are talking about corporations and corrupt politicians here stern. it's more than enough for a reason.

leaders elsewhere do it for much less...why would the US ones not?


sure...this might be just speculations...but come on man...they were literally burning new and usable stuff just so that they could order it again and bill the taxpayer.
most politicians involved made every effort to shelter these contractors, including Bush himself dodged questions. you have to be dumb to not see the gorilla in the room

 

[CptStern]

so billions upon billions of dollars for you and your buddies are not really a valid reason to lie?...we are talking about corporations and corrupt politicians here stern. it's more than enough for a reason.

but then these people would have to be in on the conspiracy ..which doesnt seem to be the case since no former employee of said organisations are coming out with tell-all books or are on the lecture circuit. I'm not saying those reasons arent valid, I'm saying it's not all the reasons

oh and I was responding to Maturin's post not yours

 

[jverne]

but then these people would have to be in on the conspiracy ..which doesnt seem to be the case since no former employee of said organisations are coming out with tell-all books or are on the lecture circuit. I'm not saying those reasons arent valid, I'm saying it's not all the reasons

oh and I was responding to Maturin's post not yours

well...look at it this way, since 2003 we learned so much of Bush wrongdoing, who knows what will emerge in the future.

it really does smell like a conspiracy, but IMO this case is not really that complex if you think of it. it's enough that some top men know what's really going on and everyone bellow is just following orders. this is really not such an insane conspiracy to fathom, like the supposed 9/11.
I'm just trying to tell you that considering all the shit that it has been and is done it doesn't take a giant leap of faith to visualize it.

If i try to put myself into bush shoes (lol), he was persuaded to invade iraq long before he actually did it. So he made up some reasons for it and eventually convinced himself.
I doubt he wanted people to get hurt, he probably never envisioned how badly it would end up.
It's like somebody offers you something good and then you subconsciously search for reasons to go for it or buy it, no matter how silly the reason is.

watch the docu...some (documented and proved) things were so absurd it almost seemed unreal, but they were made under the awareness of high ranking officials.

 

[Warped]

Saddam was transferring his funds into the Euro, America hated this because Iraq had been using the U.S. dollar as a standard for a while. US invades Iraq, steals a lot of gold in the process in palaces and museums, ancient culture like statues, painting, etc (Sumerian culture) and now they have a democratic system in place. Now Iran is threatening to transfer to the Euro and thats why you see a lackluster American dollar now. Also if we fail with our economic hitmen on a foreign country we use our expensive military to finish the job. Thats how I see the big picture

 

[15357]

And people yet again ignore the possibility that Bush might have actually meant what he said.

 

[jverne]

And people yet again ignore the possibility that Bush might have actually meant what he said.

considering what is going on in iraq and the fact that there is proof that shows he planned iraq long before he did it. actually it was corporate lobbyists who persuaded him. i posted a thread about it some time ago. one can wonder...

 

[CptStern]

well...look at it this way, since 2003 we learned so much of Bush wrongdoing, who knows what will emerge in the future.

it really does smell like a conspiracy, but IMO this case is not really that complex if you think of it. it's enough that some top men know what's really going on and everyone bellow is just following orders. this is really not such an insane conspiracy to fathom, like the supposed 9/11.
I'm just trying to tell you that considering all the shit that it has been and is done it doesn't take a giant leap of faith to visualize it.

no it doesnt but I think it's much more complex than people think it is

If i try to put myself into bush shoes (lol), he was persuaded to invade iraq long before he actually did it. So he made up some reasons for it and eventually convinced himself.
I doubt he wanted people to get hurt, he probably never envisioned how badly it would end up.

the cia were telling them as early as 2002 that a. Iraq had no wmd b. any incursion into iraq would lead to an intensification of terror in the region c. the occupation would lead to anarchy and eventually civil war

It's like somebody offers you something good and then you subconsciously search for reasons to go for it or buy it, no matter how silly the reason is.

the neoconservatives had been looking for an excuse to overthrow saddam since the mid 90's. Bush wasnt pushed into anything he didnt agree with.

watch the docu...some (documented and proved) things were so absurd it almost seemed unreal, but they were made under the awareness of high ranking officials.

who twisted information to suit their agenda. they were the ones who pushed false information on the government and the american people.

And people yet again ignore the possibility that Bush might have actually meant what he said

no:

In the aftermath of Sept. 11, President Bush ordered his then top anti-terrorism adviser to look for a link between Iraq and the attacks, despite being told there didn't seem to be one.


Clarke says that as early as the day after the attacks [9/11], Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was pushing for retaliatory strikes on Iraq, even though al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan.

Clarke suggests the idea took him so aback, he initally thought Rumsfeld was joking.


After the president returned to the White House on Sept. 11, he and his top advisers, including Clarke, began holding meetings about how to respond and retaliate. As Clarke writes in his book, he expected the administration to focus its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. He says he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.

"Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq," Clarke said to Stahl. "And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.

"Initially, I thought when he said, 'There aren't enough targets in-- in Afghanistan,' I thought he was joking.


Clarke says he and CIA Director George Tenet told that to Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

"The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door, and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' Now he never said, 'Make it up.' But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this.

"I said, 'Mr. President. We've done this before. We have been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There's no connection.'

"He came back at me and said, "Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report."

Clarke continued, "It was a serious look. We got together all the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. We wrote the report. We sent the report out to CIA and found FBI and said, 'Will you sign this report?' They all cleared the report. And we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the National Security Advisor or Deputy. It got bounced and sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. ... Do it again.'

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

 

[Great Grizzly]

What is Iraq really about?

Its about giving as much money as possible to corrupt corporations.

I don't even need to watch the movie to know that.