When you ride alone you ride with Bin Laden!

[Locust]

The hiprocracy of America is profound in more ways than you can shake a stick at. We are always going on with how we hate terrorists and how we are going to stop them, yet our reliance on foreign oil is the main source of funding for those ****** *****. Bush said that by 2010, America would not rely on foreign energy sources; that means that we would practically all have hybrid cars and use the oil from our reserves. I have not seen this plan put into action in the slightest bit except for our taking over of Iraq. So what do you guys think? do you think that it is possible that we could be free of foreign oil by 2010?

 

[Pesmerga]

No...the hydrogen fuel cell > oil.

 

[Locust]

I couldn't imagine how hard it would be for America to make the transfer to electric cars or hydrogen fuel. We would have to scrap like 200 million cars, which I suppose could be recycled.

 

[Raziaar]

Didn't you see that snickers commercial with the car powered by hair clippings?

That's the future. Stinky ass cars powered by igniting human hair clippings.

 

[GhostFox]

do you think that it is possible that we could be free of foreign oil by 2010?

I'd be curious to see how much oil you think the US recieves from the ME.

 

[gh0st]

yeah, Iraq is only a stepping stone for the greater conquest of the middle east. And we will be free of their oil influence \0/

 

[Nofuture]

I'd be curious to see how much oil you think the US recieves from the ME.

World Consumers and Importers 2003

Leading Oil Consumers Leading sources of US imports
USA (20 million barrels per day)
China (5.6)
Japan (5.5)
Germany

Leading Oil Importers:

USA (11.1 million b/d)
Japan (5.3)
Germany (2.5)
South Korea (2.2)

Leading sources of US imports:

Canada (17%)
Saudi Arabia (14.5%)
Mexico (13%)
Venezuela (11%)


Increasing dependence on oil imports
By Ahmad al-Quni
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CDA8F31-A5D7-4071-B12D-1B804E1C15EE.htm

Sunday 10 August 2003

A recent study by the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) predicted world demand for oil would reach 112 million barrels per day (bpd) by the year 2020.

This demand could only be supplied by the major oil producers including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. In 2001, total global crude oil production was estimated at 76.8 million bpd.

The US is the world’s major oil consumer, with a per capita consumption of 28 barrels a year, as compared to only two barrels a year for each Chinese citizen.(Dr Abdul-Hai Zalloom, The New Empire of Evil )

Such statistics emphasise the fact that the US is more dependent than ever on imported oil . US oil imports, which accounted about one-third of total US petroleum needs in 1973, jumped to 60% of US oil needs in 2002.

 

[kirovman]

Pub quiz question last night in the true or false round:

Has Bin Laden's family registered the name Bin Laden as a trademark?

It was in fact TRUE.

Not suprising, since the rest of his family are just business people.

 

[No Limit]

yeah, Iraq is only a stepping stone for the greater conquest of the middle east. And we will be free of their oil influence \0/

I just wish Bush was that honest. :thumbs:

 

[kmack]

I'd be curious to see how much oil you think the US recieves from the ME.

he said FOREIGN oil, not just Middle East, you realize that there is more in the foreign world than just the ME.... don't you?

 

[GhostFox]

he said FOREIGN oil, not just Middle East, you realize that there is more in the foreign world than just the ME.... don't you?

I do, however I also realize that when people say "foreign" oil, they usually mean the ME. I've never heard anyone complain about all the oil you guys ship in from up here. Or Mexico. Etc.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

I couldn't imagine how hard it would be for America to make the transfer to electric cars or hydrogen fuel. We would have to scrap like 200 million cars, which I suppose could be recycled.

To convert a car to hydrogen tanks with hydrogen fuelling capabilities it costs £2000, which is quite hefty in for every person. Also every petrol station conversion would be very expensive as well. But i feel money shouldn't come into it, we gotta start preparing for when we run out of fossil fuels cos if we don't prior to it the world we come to a stand still for ages. Hydrogen is the way forward. (best thing about it, when it spills in the sea or on the road, it immediatly turns into gas and evapourates, so no fire risks or sea spillages)

 

[PvtRyan]

To convert a car to hydrogen tanks with hydrogen fuelling capabilities it costs £2000, which is quite hefty in for every person. Also every petrol station conversion would be very expensive as well. But i feel money shouldn't come into it, we gotta start preparing for when we run out of fossil fuels cos if we don't prior to it the world we come to a stand still for ages. Hydrogen is the way forward. (best thing about it, when it spills in the sea or on the road, it immediatly turns into gas and evapourates, so no fire risks or sea spillages)

Problem is: how do you plan to produce it? Oil is still the powersource to produce hydrogen. Hydrogen isn't a solution to the energy problem, it only carries the energy you put into it.

 

[Tr0n]

Solar power?Nuclear Power?What about geo-thermal power?

There has to be other ways to produce hydrogen then just using oil...

Take a look at this link...pretty interesting.

http://www.millenniumcell.com/technology/index.html

I think that might be the best way...no huge hydrogen tank needed.


Edit:There's a video also on that page...you will need realplayer to watch it, but it's worth the download.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

Problem is: how do you plan to produce it? Oil is still the powersource to produce hydrogen. Hydrogen isn't a solution to the energy problem, it only carries the energy you put into it.

Its simple, if you electrolyse water, you get oxygen and twice the amount of hydrogen given off on its own. The only issue is that a great deal of electricity is needed for the electrolysis of the water, which could be made from the things tr0n said, hydro power, wind, solar etc which would only allow for about 40% of the power required. We are still looking for a source to fill that gap. Possibly geo thermal energy or a more complicated way.

The energy we use now, from fossil fuels is basically locked away solar power over years, so if we can find another source which does this in an equilbrium state then we'd be sorted. The only thing which i can think of if manipulating some biological cataylsts (enzymes to you) in order to produce substances we want without putting a great deal of energy in, as enzymes reduce activation energy. I believe this will be the step forward, but which enzyme will do it i don't know, these are just my thoughts.

 

[KoreBolteR]

LOL anyone hear about Bin Ladens niece, who wanted to have a pop career in New York... wtf ..

 

[GhostFox]

LOL anyone hear about Bin Ladens niece, who wanted to have a pop career in New York

Oh boy...I can see the next book already. "When you screw Bin Laden's niece, you screw terrorism."

Anyone know if she is hot? Because if she is then I'm willing to do my part in the war against terrorism.

 

[Tr0n]

Oh boy...I can see the next book already. "When you screw Bin Laden's niece, you screw terrorism."

Anyone know if she is hot? Because if she is then I'm willing to do my part in the war against terrorism.

Cheers to that! :cheers:

 

[KoreBolteR]

Cheers to that! :cheers:

tr0n.. has your sig changed?

 

[Tr0n]

tr0n.. has your sig changed?

Yep.

Changed the colors from slate grey and orange to white and red.

I'm probally going to change the colors often for the hell of it.

Anyways back on topic...it would take a lot to change our economy from oil to hydrogen.We can't just do it instantly or automatically.

It will take time and a slow transition.

 

[Nofuture]

I do, however I also realize that when people say "foreign" oil, they usually mean the ME. I've never heard anyone complain about all the oil you guys ship in from up here. Or Mexico. Etc.

Of course it is cheaper to transport the oil from countries, which are as near as possible. Until it is possible! We do have a phenomena which is called peak oil. That means that no new oil reserves are being discovered and the oil reserves are getting less and less; the day, there will be only a little oil isn´t so far.
So someday, if another energy woudn´t be invented, the USA will be dependent on ME oil, as there are world's largest oil reserves:

Countries with the Largest Oil Reserves

Country Reserves at end
of 1999, billion barrels, Share of World, %

Saudi Arabia 263.5 25.5 %
Iraq 112.5 10.9 %
United Arab Emirates 97.8 9.4 %
Kuwait 96.5 9.3 %
Iran 89.7 8.7 %
Venezuela 72.6 7.1 %
Russian Federation 48.6 4.7 %
Libya 29.5 2.9 %
United States 28.6 2.8 %
Mexico 28.4 2.7 %
China 24.0 2.3 %
Nigeria 22.5 2.2 %
Norway 10.8 1.0 %
Sub-total 925.0 89.6 %
Rest of World 108.8 10.4 %
World 1033.8 100.0 %

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

The hiprocracy of America is profound in more ways than you can shake a stick at. We are always going on with how we hate terrorists and how we are going to stop them, yet our reliance on foreign oil is the main source of funding for those ****** *****. Bush said that by 2010, America would not rely on foreign energy sources; that means that we would practically all have hybrid cars and use the oil from our reserves. I have not seen this plan put into action in the slightest bit except for our taking over of Iraq. So what do you guys think? do you think that it is possible that we could be free of foreign oil by 2010?

You drive a hybrid car right? They're for sale at any of your local dealerships... Or are you just a BIG HYPOCRITE?

I thought so....