Who started this whole mess?

[NJspeed]

I just thought it was interesting that yesterday I was playing HL1, and semi early in the game, theres a scene where a scientist asks you "Who started this whole mess?!". Right next to him is a door with a small window you can clearly see through, and right when he asks this, the G-man walks up and fixes his tie while looking into the window glass.. so you clearly see him.. and at the same time, you know that he is the answer to the scientists question.

I think that at the time, VALVe was clearly trying to say that the G-man caused the whole episode at Black Mesa.. Why else would they have it scripted so you see him a split second after the scientist asks the question?

Perhaps with HL2, Valve tried to change the story a bit.. but I think that this is a tidbit worth noticing.

Also figure in that G-man was clearly seen speaking with a scientist prior to the incident.. that's been spoken about before but it's hard to draw any conclusions from that.

 

[kirovman]

I think him saying "who is responsible for this mess" is a random phrase, of many. It is not scripted to happen at any particular point of the game. (where are you talking about anyway? Unforseen Consequences?) It was just a coincidense you heard him say it.

They talk about lots of things, I have heard them use this line many times, with or without the G-man nearby.

 

[KagePrototype]

It's just one of the random phrases the scientists say. Also, the only time the Gman does that in the original is in Office Complex, and a scientst would only be there if you got one to follow you. So I don't think Valve scripted it.

 

[NJspeed]

Nah sorry perhaps your both right.. but I believe you guys are incorrect. Im pretty sure it was a scripted sequence. I did not get any scientist to follow me.. he was there.. I walked up to him and he said it, right before the G-man looked into the window. I even loaded and replayed it several times because I was like whoa... always the exact thing.. then I almost came on and made a post about it that very second.. but figured I'd wait til the morning when I get to work Here I am.

As a side note I played through the entire game yesterday and this was the one and only scientist who said those exact words. I wish I knew the level it was on, but it's all a big blur now.

 

[CREMATOR666]

Valve never scripted those sentences, they're just random and is scheduled to play when they're idle.

 

[kirovman]

Nah sorry perhaps your both right.. but I believe you guys are incorrect. Im pretty sure it was a scripted sequence. I did not get any scientist to follow me.. he was there.. I walked up to him and he said it, right before the G-man looked into the window. I even loaded and replayed it several times because I was like whoa... always the exact thing.. then I almost came on and made a post about it that very second.. but figured I'd wait til the morning when I get to work Here I am.

As a side note I played through the entire game yesterday and this was the one and only scientist who said those exact words. I wish I knew the level it was on, but it's all a big blur now.

You mean the one who dives through the window? And there is the G-man through the door with the tiny window?

Maybe he does say that...
My vague recollections:
*Dives through window*
"Ah, Hello Gordon Freeman, it's good to see you....Who is Responsible for this mess?"

 

[NJspeed]

Yeah that's what he said.. "Who is responsible".. not "Who started".. your right.. I don't remember any diving through glass though.. my memory is a blur from playing the whole thing. But the scientist was to the right of the door, yes it had a small window at face level so you can see the Gman.

 

[KagePrototype]

Yeah that's what he said.. "Who is responsible".. not "Who started".. your right.. I don't remember any diving through glass though.. my memory is a blur from playing the whole thing. But the scientist was to the right of the door, yes it had a small window at face level so you can see the Gman.

Could you go back to that scene and grab a screenshot? The only bit I can think of is at the end of Office Complex, and there's no scientist next to that door. There's one down the stairs, and another that jumps through a window nearby, but that's it.

 

[itsmygame]

Yet another sighting of the Gman. Pretty awsome timing though... :O

 

[KagePrototype]

Just replayed it, and after the scientist jumps through the window, he runs towards the door with the Gman. The thing is, the Gman walking up to the door is scripted when you approach the door, and you can do this before the scientist jumps through the window because it's before that event. So yeah, I'm positive he wasn't scripted to say what he said, and it was pure coincidence.

 

[Solver]

What I hate now is the GMan mumbles in Anomalous Materials. Marc Laidlaw confirmed that we got them correctly here at the forums, but it's a minor plot inconsistency. The scientist there says to the GMan, "Ialready told you how opposed I am to pushing the equipment", and the GMan says some phrases along the lines of "This is not your decision to make". Then later we hear one of the scientists mention to Gordon, "I've warned the administrator of the risks" or something like that. Therefore, maybe at the beggining of HL1, Valve intended GMan to be the administrator - they thought of Breen later, after all. Also, it was said somewhere that they got idea of the whole story towards the end (like, the GMan being whoever he is, probably), but didn't bother changing smaller details (like those GMan mumbles. I think so).

Because if Breen arranged the cascade, if Breen was the administrator, why would a scientist be talking to the GMan anyway? After HL2, he's generally considered to be a manifestation of Vortigaunt consciousness, an intergalactic agent, representative of an Anti-Combine alliance or something like that, but not a simple human, so I wonder.

 

[KagePrototype]

What I hate now is the GMan mumbles in Anomalous Materials. Marc Laidlaw confirmed that we got them correctly here at the forums, but it's a minor plot inconsistency. The scientist there says to the GMan, "Ialready told you how opposed I am to pushing the equipment", and the GMan says some phrases along the lines of "This is not your decision to make". Then later we hear one of the scientists mention to Gordon, "I've warned the administrator of the risks" or something like that. Therefore, maybe at the beggining of HL1, Valve intended GMan to be the administrator - they thought of Breen later, after all. Also, it was said somewhere that they got idea of the whole story towards the end (like, the GMan being whoever he is, probably), but didn't bother changing smaller details (like those GMan mumbles. I think so).

Because if Breen arranged the cascade, if Breen was the administrator, why would a scientist be talking to the GMan anyway? After HL2, he's generally considered to be a manifestation of Vortigaunt consciousness, an intergalactic agent, representative of an Anti-Combine alliance or something like that, but not a simple human, so I wonder.

Who said the Gman didn't want the cascade to happen? Maybe he helped Breen. We don't know what he's doing yet.

 

[The Monkey]

What I hate now is the GMan mumbles in Anomalous Materials. Marc Laidlaw confirmed that we got them correctly here at the forums, but it's a minor plot inconsistency. The scientist there says to the GMan, "Ialready told you how opposed I am to pushing the equipment", and the GMan says some phrases along the lines of "This is not your decision to make". Then later we hear one of the scientists mention to Gordon, "I've warned the administrator of the risks" or something like that. Therefore, maybe at the beggining of HL1, Valve intended GMan to be the administrator - they thought of Breen later, after all. Also, it was said somewhere that they got idea of the whole story towards the end (like, the GMan being whoever he is, probably), but didn't bother changing smaller details (like those GMan mumbles. I think so).

Because if Breen arranged the cascade, if Breen was the administrator, why would a scientist be talking to the GMan anyway? After HL2, he's generally considered to be a manifestation of Vortigaunt consciousness, an intergalactic agent, representative of an Anti-Combine alliance or something like that, but not a simple human, so I wonder.

The one that says "I've warned the administrator of the risks" is not the same as the one who is speaking the G-man. We don't know who he might have spoken to.

 

[kirovman]

What I hate now is the GMan mumbles in Anomalous Materials. Marc Laidlaw confirmed that we got them correctly here at the forums, but it's a minor plot inconsistency. The scientist there says to the GMan, "Ialready told you how opposed I am to pushing the equipment", and the GMan says some phrases along the lines of "This is not your decision to make". Then later we hear one of the scientists mention to Gordon, "I've warned the administrator of the risks" or something like that. Therefore, maybe at the beggining of HL1, Valve intended GMan to be the administrator - they thought of Breen later, after all. Also, it was said somewhere that they got idea of the whole story towards the end (like, the GMan being whoever he is, probably), but didn't bother changing smaller details (like those GMan mumbles. I think so).

Because if Breen arranged the cascade, if Breen was the administrator, why would a scientist be talking to the GMan anyway? After HL2, he's generally considered to be a manifestation of Vortigaunt consciousness, an intergalactic agent, representative of an Anti-Combine alliance or something like that, but not a simple human, so I wonder.

He's probably got a badge saying "Site Inspector" or something.
He's the G-man, he can put you out of time for 10 years, I'm sure infiltrating a government research facility is no bother.

 

[itsmygame]

And that is why the Gman is the anyonomous character he is today.

 

[Solver]

Yeah, good point about the GMan infiltrating. It was even suggested somewhere that he's not only an alien, but actually uses the host body of a US government official. Either way indeed, with all the things he can do, getting into Black Mesa isn't the hardest one.

It's very unlikely, though, that the GMan helped Breen. After all, Breen is the Combine-installed leader of the Earth, while the GMan sends you to cut the Combine connection to Earth, to stop their rule in City 17 and to stop Breen.

 

[kirovman]

Yeah, good point about the GMan infiltrating. It was even suggested somewhere that he's not only an alien, but actually uses the host body of a US government official. Either way indeed, with all the things he can do, getting into Black Mesa isn't the hardest one.

It's very unlikely, though, that the GMan helped Breen. After all, Breen is the Combine-installed leader of the Earth, while the GMan sends you to cut the Combine connection to Earth, to stop their rule in City 17 and to stop Breen.

HOST BODY, that is an interesting point. We heard Breen mentioning something like: "I'll never survive in your universe....Host body? Are you insane? Oh, ok, whatever it takes!"

So G-man could have undergone similar processes.