Why do so many people hate the UN?

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This is my question, why in the world would any Americans consider hating the UN? and it appears out arrogance as Americans has caused many of the people in the UN to hate us .

And seriously, no one wants the entire united western world against them, do they? Just because the majority of the UN doesnt support the war in iraq doesn't mean they are bad, it only means that they don't trust our motives. I'm sorry, our leaderships motives.

And all I have seen on these boards are "I hate the UN" for some reason. You know, if this goes on any longer, or to a greater extent, the UN might even start to hate the US, maybe even enough to kick us out of it (unlikely).

What ever happened to us being a peaceful, allied western world?
 
They already hate us. They use us for a lot of their "peace keeping" operations, yet don't want to help us when we go to Dictators from launching attacks.

Ever heard of Blood Diamonds?
In South America, Guerillas Fighters slaughter villiagers to get to the Diamond mines their villages are near or on top of. When approached by the victims only a few UN nations placed embargos on the Diamonds - US, Britain, I think Australia. But not Russia, nor France or any of the other countries that claim to love innocent lives.

The UN is weak, and decadent. Hell, NATO is better than the UN.
 
Kofi Annan

Do you know he and his henchmen are largely responcible for ignoring the genocide in Rwanda? (and so is Clinton, just to be fair)
 
Well what about the genocide of the armenian people by the turks? American refuses to ackknowledge this because the turks are "allies" in a sense.
 
LoneDeranger said:
Kofi Annan

Do you know he and his henchmen are largely responcible for ignoring the genocide in Rwanda? (and so is Clinton, just to be fair)
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Yep, one of the things I cited in a politcal debate back when I was in Highschool, and in other threads on these forums.
Let's not forget what's still going on in the Phillipines, and many parts of Africa. And France's occupation of peaceful territories.

Submerge said:
shut ur god damn mouth
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Well, that certainly was un-expected and un-necessary.
 
Innervision961 said:
Well what about the genocide of the armenian people by the turks? American refuses to ackknowledge this because the turks are "allies" in a sense.
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That happened in 1915 and was commited by the Ottoman Empire (not the Turkey of today, obviously).

By the same token maybe we should not be allies with Germany because they are all Nazi's and tried to wipe the Jews out in WW2??
 
since when did Hussein "launch an attack"? why not go and invade korea instead, if we're on this pre-eptive bandwagon?

I believe the UN didn't support us in the war in iraq because they are dedicated to keeping peace, if they had the firepower and the guts, i think they should have actually defended Iraq from us. Sure, hussien was an evil guy, but there are lots of evil dictators in the world, and there always will be.

Koffi annon was also a very evil dude, but its not the UNs fault that he was so murderous.

The european countries have always hated us for our attitude, and the way we conduct buisness, that is, cut-throat. The UN also doesn't like us because we are unwilling to try new ideas, and are very introversive.

There have been very few wars by the US that didn't involve us trying to protect another country or our own country from invasion. We hardly ever decide to conquer and occupy a country just for the hell of it.

And iraqis certainly don't seem to happy thet we're there. I mean, how would you feel if a foreign country attacked and slaughtered your countrymen, and then sat around in the country waiting to re-form the government?

Imagine a very large totalitarian country that wanted to take over all of the smaller democratic countries because they think that "capitolism and democracy" are dangerous; imagine if they were supported by a few other allies, and through religion into their reasoning. Sounds pretty scary doesn't it? You really wouldn't like that country. That is the exact reason why the countries smaller than us and with varying governments don't like us that much.

/end rant
 
theotherguy said:
since when did Hussein "launch an attack"? why not go and invade korea instead, if we're on this pre-eptive bandwagon?

I believe the UN didn't support us in the war in iraq because they are dedicated to keeping peace, .
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A false peace, you mean? There is no peace when innocent lives are being snuffed out. There is only peace in a certain region, and politcal peace in a large building. But, what was happening in Iraq was terrible. Anyone who can overlook that, and say it's keeping peace by ignoring it, needs to ascertain the difference between good and evil.
The nations that opposed action seem to have because of their business transactins with Saddam, along with trying to gain some image of power by opposing the "big, bad US".
 
The idea that war can prevent war is ironic in itself.
 
btw, im participating in this flamewar with a smile on my face, I enjoy this very much :cheese: I know neither of us has a chance of winning, but why not have some fun while you're at it? :thumbs:
 
theotherguy said:
btw, im participating in this flamewar with a smile on my face, I enjoy this very much :cheese: I know neither of us has a chance of winning, but why not have some fun while you're at it? :thumbs:
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Yeah me too. This discussions are particularly amusing on this forum because it feels like non-US citizens and other people who can't vote for some other reason (under 18) are trying to covince us (the voters) to vote against Bush.
 
Hey im 21, and a US citezen, so vote against bush dammit!
 
i was joking, I could care less who votes for who really. I'll vote for my candidate when the time comes (probably whoever the most popular dem is, in hopes to oust bush from office) but thats why its a free country, it is a free country isn't it?
 
Innervision961 said:
i was joking, I could care less who votes for who really. I'll vote for my candidate when the time comes (probably whoever the most popular dem is, in hopes to oust bush from office) but thats why its a free country, it is a free country isn't it?
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Yeah I hate political threads too. The only reason I posted today is because I was
terribly bored. :)
 
Innervision961 said:
i was joking, I could care less who votes for who really. I'll vote for my candidate when the time comes (probably whoever the most popular dem is, in hopes to oust bush from office) but thats why its a free country, it is a free country isn't it?
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boy im glad that people like you are voting. You obviously care a lot for your right to vote.
 
here it goes a-god damn-gain.

1. The UN's basic philosophy is both anti-American and pro-totalitarian. Our Declaration of Independence proclaims the "self-evident" truth that "men ... are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights." But, in its Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the UN ignores God's existence, implies that it grants rights, and then repeatedly claims power "as provided by law" to cancel them out of existence. If any government can place restrictions on such fundamental rights as freedom of speech, the right to keep and bear arms, freedoms of the press, association, movement, and religion, soon there will be no such freedoms.

2. The UN was founded by Communists and CFR members whose common goal was a socialist world government. Sixteen key U.S. officials who shaped the policies leading to the creation of the UN were later exposed in sworn testimony as secret Communists. These included Alger Hiss, chief planner of the 1945 founding conference, and the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Harry Dexter White. The Soviet Union under Stalin and the entire Communist Party USA apparatus worked tirelessly to launch the UN. Since its beginning in 1921, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has always worked for world government. The key CFR founder, Edward Mandell House, in his book, Philip Dru: Administrator, called for "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx ..." The CFR was an early promoter of the UN, and 43 members of the U.S. delegation at the UN founding conference were or would become CFR members.

3. The UN has always chosen socialist one-worlders for leaders. The Secretary-General at the UN founding conference was Soviet spy Alger Hiss. He was followed as Secretary-General by Norwegian socialist Trygve Lie, Swedish socialist Dag Hammarskjold, Burmese Marxist U Thant, Austrian former Nazi Kurt Waldheim, Peruvian socialist Javier Perez deCuellar, and Egyptian socialist Boutros Boutros-Ghali. Each has consistently used the full resources of the UN to promote Communist and socialist causes around the world. The Socialist International (which proudly traces its origins to the First International headed by Karl Marx) today claims tens of millions of members in 54 countries. At its 1962 Congress, it declared: "The ultimate objective of the parties of the Socialist International is nothing less than world government ... Membership of the United Nations must be made universal ..." Almost all of the UN's "independent" commissions for the last thirty years have been headed by members of the Socialist International.

4. The UN seeks power to control the environment, population, children ... the world. Both the 1972 UN Environmental Program and the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development laid plans to whip up widespread environmental concerns (some exaggerated, many completely fabricated). These concerns would then be used as justification for increasing UN authority on environmental issues. The statements and publications of these UN programs leave little doubt that their goal is a world government with the power to cancel national sovereignty, regulate economic activity, and control the human race all, of course, under the banner of "protecting the environment." In late 1994, UN planners meeting in Egypt approved a 20-year, $17 billion plan to "stabilize" the world's population. The UN's goal is to reduce population selectively by encouraging abortion, sterilization, and controlled human breeding. The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child also claims power not only to grant rights but also to cancel them "as provided by law." It claims that governments must guarantee children "freedom of expression ... freedom to seek, receive, and impart information ... freedom of thought, conscience, and religion," regardless of the wishes of their parents.

5. The UN Charter outlines the path to world tyranny. After giving lip service about not intervening "in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state ...," the UN Charter continues, "but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII." Chapter VII discusses sanctions and boycotts, but if these are decided to "be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security." The UN used this broad assertion of authority as the pretext for its armed intervention in the domestic turmoil in Somalia and Haiti.

6. The UN is building its own army to enforce its will. In 1992, UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali, fulfilling a directive from the UN Security Council, unveiled An Agenda for Peace, a plan to strengthen UN "peacekeeping" capabilities. The plan calls for armed forces to be made available to the UN "on a permanent basis." It ominously warns, "The time of absolute and exclusive sovereignty has passed" and proceeds to name a long list of "risks for stability" that would be used to justify use of the "permanent" UN army to enforce its will. Incredibly, U.S. leaders are using America's military to pave the way for this UN army. In Bosnia, Somalia, Haiti, and elsewhere, foreign UN commanders have controlled our troops. When 15 Americans were killed over Iraq in mid-1994, Vice-President Gore extended condolences "to the families of those who died in the service of the United Nations." Even more incredibly, it has been the official policy of the U.S. government since 1961 to disarm America and create a UN army. This policy concludes: "progressive controlled disarmament would proceed to the point where no nation would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened UN Peace Force." (See State Department publication 7277: Freedom >From War.)


take the time to read that. the un DOES suck.
 
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7. The UN doesn't settle disputes - it makes them worse! Our ambassador to the UN in 1982, although a UN supporter, admitted, "The UN has become an arena in which countries are drawn into problems they might never have become involved in. " Ask yourself: Should Seychelles or Benin or Guyana or Barbados have to take sides in a clash that breaks out on the opposite side of the world? When centuries-old animosities erupt in the former Yugoslavia, why does the UN inject its presence with troops, blockades, bombing, and a parade of speeches? American troops serving as globocops for the UN become targets for criminals and terrorists. In 1983, 241 U.S. Marines were blown to bits at the Beirut airport. Five years later, a U.S. Marine Lieutenant Colonel was kidnapped and eventually murdered by Arab terrorists while in a UN unit in Lebanon (he was unarmed - as required by the UN). The UN "peacekeeping mission" in Somalia cost the lives of another 36 Americans in 1993.

8. The UN ignores Communist atrocities but targets non-Communist nations and leaders. When Soviet tanks rolled into Hungary in the 1950s, when the Chinese Communists were murdering Tibetans in the 1960s, when the Soviets were butchering civilians in Afghanistan in the 1970s and 1980s, when Chechnya was brutalized by the Russians in the 1990s, the UN did nothing! But the UN declared tiny Rhodesia "a threat to international peace" in the 1960s, enabling pro-communist terrorist Robert Mugabe to seize power.

9. The UN embraces Communist China - history's most murderous criminal regime. In 1949, anti-Communist Nationalist China, one of the UN's founding members, was forced from the mainland to Taiwan by the Communists. In 1971, the UN expelled Taiwan and embraced the brutal Red Chinese government - a government responsible for over 35 million murders. When the vote admitting Red China was announced, UN delegates danced in the aisles to show their contempt for America and their joy at the triumph of Red China.

10. The UN is a moral cesspool filled with perverts and fat cats. In 1993, the UN Economic and Social Council granted consultant status to the International Gay and Lesbian Association which includes the North American Man/Boy Love Association (advocates of child molestation) and the Dutch group Vereniging Martijn (which also promotes use of children as sex objects). In 1988, the top Belgian UN Children's Fund (UNICEF) official was one of a group convicted of running a child sex ring. Moral bankruptcy is commonplace in UN operations. In Zimbabwe, UNICEF-donated equipment helped terrorists seize power. In Vietnam, the Communists received $13 million from UNICEF while untold thousands of boat people fled for their lives. Fat cats? UN employees are paid 40% more than comparable U.S. workers and have subsidized rent. An ex-UNICEF official confirmed that "pampered and cosseted staffs" of various aid agencies "absorb 80% of all UN expenditures."

11. America supplies the money, the UN then finances tyrants and assorted enemies of the U.S., and conditions in the nations "aided" grow worse. U.S. taxpayers pay 25% of the UN budget plus 31% of the UN special-agency budgets. Additional billions of our dollars go to the IMF, World Bank, and other UN related lending agencies where they have been used for incredibly wasteful and subversive UN projects. (Not surprising since these agencies were designed by Soviet agent Harry Dexter White and Fabian Socialist John Maynard Keynes.) Socialist International spokesman Hilary Marquand aptly described the IMF as "in essence a Socialist conception." World Bank "aid" funds went to brutal Marxist dictator Mengistu while he was causing large-scale starvation and death in Ethiopia; to Tanzanian dictator Julius Nyerere as he drove peasants off their land and burned their huts; and to the Vietnamese Communists, sending thousands of boat people into the sea. Even Newsweek magazine concluded that the UN's foreign aid programs tend "to prop up incompetent governments or subsidize economies so they can never stand on their own."

12. The UN is a war organization, NOT a peace organization. Article 42 of the UN Charter claims authority to "take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security." But the UN definition of "peace" is never given. Tyrannical regimes throughout history have defined "peace" as the absence of all opposition. To achieve "peace" in Katanga in 1961, UN planes bombed hospitals, schools, administrative buildings, and private homes. Katanga was an anti-Communist province of the Belgian Congo seeking freedom from the Communist-controlled central government. The UN is not now, and has never been, a peace organization. It will use whatever military power it is given to force all nations of the world to submit.
 
Letters said:
Whoa, you're good... how'd you know I'd skip all the way to bottom?! :cheese:
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yeah unfortunately i expect that from most of the "less government concerned" in here.
 
gh0st said:
yeah unfortunately i expect that from most of the IDIOTS in here.
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Now honestly I don't have patience to read that, but I trust that you outlined UN's suck-idness quite well.
 
Innerbision961 said:
i was joking, I could care less who votes for who really. I'll vote for my candidate when the time comes (probably whoever the most popular dem is, in hopes to oust bush from office) but thats why its a free country, it is a free country isn't it?
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please god tell me youre joking. youll vote for the most popular person? youre stupid, im sorry. you vote for the person whose POLICY you agree with. im 15 years old and i respect voting more than you? god... so much for you being more worldly than me

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Letters said:
And that wasn't directed at me, of course.
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yes that was directed at you.

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LoneDeranger said:
Now honestly I don't have patience to read that, but I trust that you outlined UN's suck-idness quite well.
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the patience to read that? thats like a page of text from a textbook. how long could it possibly take? it took me like 30 seconds to skim it.
 
I read it, very good job. For you "IDIOTS":
basically
founded by communists,
ignores bad communists
and some other stuff about the US paying most of the budget, God given human rights, and something about a large cat.
 
intelligent things spookymooky has contributed to this conversation

1.

im still waiting?
 
Ahh great... I'm being called an idiot now. So much for light-heartedness...

Oh right, we're talking about 'real issues'... we have to be so serious and official sounding.

Please...
 
spookymooky said:
ouch ;(
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Shhh, I think gh0st is still trying to pretend he 'knows his stuff'... maybe I should take some notes?
 
lol @ this whole thread. ghost i would put you on ignore ....but your more entertaining than you are annoying.
 
Its all probably been said by now, but my view; its corrupt and to many cooks spoil the broth.
 
go ahead and put me on ignore, once again no one is contesting what that article says which means its right i guess. damndest thing :(
 
Why should a binman get the same wage as someone who actually has to use there brain.
 
like they said in enemy at the gate, people will always envy other people.
 
yeah, but its a great idea on paper, the only thing is that people, like you said, are always going to be corrupt in some way. Especially the powerful ones, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutley

If you had perfect people, communism would be the perfect government (or maybe anarchy)
 
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