will 6800 ultra out-perform x800xt in half life 2 ??

[Newbie's Journey]

since 6800 ultra out-perform x800xt in doom3, i'm wondering whether it will also out-perform x800xt in hl2. how much will the 6800 ultra cost ?? I went to a local hardware store today, but i didn't see any nvidia high-end card, and low end like 5200, 5600 are much cheaper now. It will be great if the 6800 ultra doesn't cost more than x800.

 

[Axyon]

since 6800 ultra out-perform x800xt in doom3, i'm wondering whether it will also out-perform x800xt in hl2. how much will the 6800 ultra cost ?? I went to a local hardware store today, but i didn't see any nvidia high-end card, and low end like 5200, 5600 are much cheaper now. It will be great if the 6800 ultra doesn't cost more than x800.

Doom 3 is an OpenGL game, which nVidia cards tend to prefer. Half-Life 2 is a Direct X game, and the modern ATi cards tend to perform better on them than modern comparable nVidia cards. It's not 100% certain, but it's more than likely that the x800 series of cards will perform better at HL2 than the 6800 series of cards.

 

[gegam]

hey im curious, where did all this come from, a lot of people say what u say abom, but has it been confirmed from both nivida and ati camps that their cards perform better in these games and such. im just wodering if the two camps have agreed with eachother that their cards do good in x things.

 

[GreasedNeut]

What happened to 40% increase of the x800xt over nv40?

I heard NV40 wins everytime except 1600 x 1200 w/ 8xaa and 4xaf

 

[Newbie's Journey]

i almost bought the x800 today, fortunatly it's out of stock in the hardware store i went to. when i got home, i read the forum and found out that 6800 outperforme x800 in doom3. I'm thinking if 6800 doesn't cost more expensive than x800, i should buy it. I think doom3 is more graphically demanding than hl2, so if the the card outperform x800 in that game, it should have no probleme running any other games, including hl2. I don't know whether i'm wrong.

 

[blahblahblah]

i almost bought the x800 today, fortunatly it's out of stock in the hardware store i went to. when i got home, i read the forum and found out that 6800 outperforme x800 in doom3. I'm thinking if 6800 doesn't cost more expensive than x800, i should buy it. I think doom3 is more graphically demanding than hl2, so if the the card outperform x800 in that game, it should have no probleme running any other games, including hl2. I don't know whether i'm wrong.

You are slightly wrong. Doom 3 is an OpenGL game which run faster with Nvidia cards. Also the 6800 series was apparently built for Doom 3. With that said, I would recommend the 6800 GT as it looks like it is a better card than the X800 Pro. Almost makes me wish I waited a little bit longer instead of getting an X800 Pro. No worry's though, I can run all game (even Doom 3) with great resolutions with AA and AF.

 

[ShadowFox]

The X800 XT will probably outperform everything in HL2. I wouldn't be surprised if the GT beat the Pro though.

 

[Newbie's Journey]

You are slightly wrong. Doom 3 is an OpenGL game which run faster with Nvidia cards. Also the 6800 series was apparently built for Doom 3. With that said, I would recommend the 6800 GT as it looks like it is a better card than the X800 Pro. Almost makes me wish I waited a little bit longer instead of getting an X800 Pro. No worry's though, I can run all game (even Doom 3) with great resolutions with AA and AF.

How much is ur x800 pro and how much is 6800, i don't seen any of them in my local store.

 

[blahblahblah]

How much is ur x800 pro and how much is 6800, i don't seen any of them in my local store.

I paid $450 for mine on newegg.com. That price is higher than normal, but it is slightly cheaper than if I ordered it off of bestbuy.com or compusa.com.

As for the 6800, there are three versions the 6800, the 6800 GT, and the 6800 Ultra. The recommended MSRP is $299, $399, and $499 respectively. However, those prices will be higher since there is more demand than supply.

 

[SidewinderX]

The X800 XT will probably outperform everything in HL2. I wouldn't be surprised if the GT beat the Pro though.

I concur.


although We really can't say for sure until either the benchmark or the game is out.

 

[gegam]

http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQy

readem and wheap nividia owned ati in doom3

 

[[Matt]]

Doom 3 is an OpenGL game, which nVidia cards tend to prefer. Half-Life 2 is a Direct X game, and the modern ATi cards tend to perform better on them than modern comparable nVidia cards. It's not 100% certain, but it's more than likely that the x800 series of cards will perform better at HL2 than the 6800 series of cards.

I would go with that but i would also add that another reason the nvidia cards are faster in doom 3 is that they make use of a shadow rendering technology which vastly improves the speed at which shadows are calculated. ATI doesnt have anything like this sort of technology.

With UltraShadow II hardware, the more passes that are required for the lighting and shadow calculations in a scene, the more significant the performance improvement, with the most complex scenes achieving the most noticeable results. Thus, emerging next-generation games, that employ multiple light sources with many visible objects in each scene—such as Doom III from id Software—will see dramatic improvements in execution speeds. The technology advancements in UltraShadow II also deliver a 4× performance increase (compared to the previous generation) for passes involving shadow volumes.

If doom 3 used the directx API and if you turn off ultrashadow i have no doubt that the ATI cards will be on a par or even faster than thier nvidia counterparts...

 

[TheRook]

Well if you wait for a bit the X800GT will be coming out... which is a X800 card with the 16 pipelines clocked lower... to combat nvidias 16 pipeline 6800GT

If you want to compare graphics cards it should be...

6800 and the X800Pro (both 12 pipelines)
the 6800gt and 6800 ultra and the x800xt as they have 16 pipelines

 

[Axyon]

What happened to 40% increase of the x800xt over nv40?

I heard NV40 wins everytime except 1600 x 1200 w/ 8xaa and 4xaf

Well, you heard wrong. The x800XT-PE still beats the 6800Ultra in the majority of games, just take a look at any site benchmarking of the two.

 

[SidewinderX]

Well if you wait for a bit the X800GT will be coming out... which is a X800 card with the 16 pipelines clocked lower... to combat nvidias 16 pipeline 6800GT

If you want to compare graphics cards it should be...

6800 and the X800Pro (both 12 pipelines)
the 6800gt and 6800 ultra and the x800xt as they have 16 pipelines

That was a rumor... even the INQ said it was a rumor. And where would they put it price wise?

If doom 3 used the directx API and if you turn off ultrashadow i have no doubt that the ATI cards will be on a par or even faster than thier nvidia counterparts...

...then is would be completley diffrent,

 

[bosox188]

http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQy

readem and wheap nividia owned ati in doom3

Of course they did, it's OpenGL. And I would suggest right now though, to go with the 6800 series and not the X800 series. The 6800 maybe will not run HL2 as fast as the X800, but it will still be able to run max settings with AT LEAST 50-60fps. The 6800GT really is a great value right now, and the 6800 non gt is also good for the price. Rook where did you hear that? X800GT? Where would they fit it in the price, drop the X800 pro to $300 or something?

 

[Alig]

In all honestly i think nvidia have won this round, where as the x800XT might out perform the 6800ultra in some games the X800pro was made to compete with the 6800GT which are more mainstream cards and will sell more than there bigger brothers but the x800pro just doesnt cut it at all...the x800pro compared to the x800xt is like comparing a 9800xt to an x800pro. I wish i didnt buy an x800pro now. Oh and the 6800GT is cheaper than the X800pro.

Doom3's engine will be widely used im pretty sure of it and so will HL2's but the ati's do alot worse in openGL games than nvidia do in directX games so work it out.

 

[Gorgon]

what games are OPENGL ? coming in the next few months ?
what games are DX ? coming in the next few months ?

 

[A-Train]

Well if you wait for a bit the X800GT will be coming out... which is a X800 card with the 16 pipelines clocked lower... to combat nvidias 16 pipeline 6800GT

If you want to compare graphics cards it should be...

6800 and the X800Pro (both 12 pipelines)
the 6800gt and 6800 ultra and the x800xt as they have 16 pipelines

You forgot that the X800 Pro is about 100 bucks more...does that mean they will rethink the cost of the X800 Pro or change the architecture to match nVidia?

 

[SidewinderX]

In all honestly i think nvidia have won this round, where as the x800XT might out perform the 6800ultra in some games the X800pro was made to compete with the 6800GT which are more mainstream cards and will sell more than there bigger brothers but the x800pro just doesnt cut it at all...the x800pro compared to the x800xt is like comparing a 9800xt to an x800pro. I wish i didnt buy an x800pro now. Oh and the 6800GT is cheaper than the X800pro.

Doom3's engine will be widely used im pretty sure of it and so will HL2's but the ati's do alot worse in openGL games than nvidia do in directX games so work it out.

I disagree. I say this round might possibly be one of the few where the competitors are *about* evenly matched. It looks like the 6800GT is the best performance/price card you can buy, while the x800XT is the best overall....but the gaps aren't that large.

I mean in the previous series, ATi was the clear winner, and before that nvidia.

 

[blackeye]

scroll down and you will se 6800 gt's performance in hl2. In some cases its faster then the x800 pro.
link

(its a beta so it wont accuratly reflect performance of the final game)

 

[A-Train]

I disagree. I say this round might possibly be one of the few where the competitors are *about* evenly matched. It looks like the 6800GT is the best performance/price card you can buy, while the x800XT is the best overall....but the gaps aren't that large.

I mean in the previous series, ATi was the clear winner, and before that nvidia.

How do you figure the x800XT is the best overall?...for HL2 or most games?...I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion as most harware reviews at places like tomsharware.com and guru3d.com point to a dead heat with nvidia sometimes coming out on top, there is a review on planetdoom's front page with id software that had both developers run demos and many times the 6800GT was right on par with ATI's best card..it's a $100 less...I just think it's too early to tell with the latest hardware and HL2 as we have no way to know who will win that one yet...

 

[A-Train]

Here's the link to the D3 test with id software
http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQy

 

[SidewinderX]

I know, I know. but it most situations, the x800xt wins (other than d3) in high res with aa/af on. Yes it is extreamly close, hence my statement "the competitors are *about* evenly matched."

 

[Axyon]

(its a beta so it wont accuratly reflect performance of the final game)

Cannot emphasise that enough.

 

[A-Train]

To be honest, I'm glad we have 2 card manufacturers competing to make kick a@@ products...were the real winners in the long run...but I still have to wonder, will ATI follow nvidia's approach and make a 2 card solution for PCI express later this year?...because if money is no object, that dual card solution from nvidia later this year is going to pwn!!! *remembers his old voodoo2 SLI config from 98*..ahhh..1024X768 and 16 bit color!!..(and 2 pass through cables jumbled up in the rear)

 

[Fletch]

To be honest, I'm glad we have 2 card manufacturers competing to make kick a@@ products

I totally agree. We're the only winners in the compotition between ATi and Nvidia.

 

[ShadowFox]

Are you going to pay 1000 dollars for a SLI setup?

SLI will be a very niche product.

 

[Asus]

I totally agree. We're the only winners in the compotition between ATi and Nvidia.

Yeah
On one hand I look at the 6800GT and 6800Ultra and think what the hell was Nvidia thinking with performance so close. ATI had a better idea of keeping the products different yet both with great performance.
But then I think wait a moment, a lower cost card that performs very close to the top of the line from the same company is a very good deal for us. lol
Similar to 9800pro vs 9800XT.

 

[blackeye]

I dont know if youve seen this or not but the 6800's clearly beat the x800's in half life 2.
Link
I know its a beta but I think its close to what the final game will be. After comparing this to the benchmarks I saw last year where ATI kicked Nvidias ass I am very impressed. I think this benchmark and the doom 3 benchmark have sold me on getting an 6800. But im going to wait untill I seel the gold benchmarks befor I jump to any more conclusions.
I hope valve releases some bencmarks befor the end of next week.
Ati is probably pressuring them to get the benchmarks out after getting their ass handed to them in Doom3.
We will just have to wait and see though.

I wouldnt be suprised if the bencmarks that should be out befor the end of the summer shock a lot of people.

I agree with alig that nvidia has won this round though. And im disapointed in the fact that ATI doesnt have 9.0c support. I know a lot of games wont support it but It nice to have because some games like far cry and hl2 said they will support sm3.0

 

[blahblahblah]

You can't use the beta. I'm sorry, but that is the most stupid thing you can do. You don't know what features they have added or dropped since the leak date. You don't even know if all of the shaders were in the leaked build. And you fully well know that the leak was not optimized. If you are basing your decision off of a leak build, you are even more stupid.

If you want to compare games, I think you should check out the benchmarks with Halo and Far Cry, both DX 9 games. That will give you are much better idea of HL2 performance than benchmarking a leak.

 

[blackeye]

I am positive that nvidia will be very close to ati when the final benchmarks are released. Just wait and see.
And its not stupiud to base a decision on a beta. The beta was at one point a playable game.
I think nvidia did a great job with their card this time and should perform similarily to ATI in hl2 maybee at most %10 slower when AA/AF are on.
If AA/AF are off then the should both perform the same judging from a lot of the other benchmarks on the internet.

 

[blahblahblah]

I am positive that nvidia will be very close to ati when the final benchmarks are released. Just wait and see.
And its not stupiud to base a decision on a beta. The beta was at one point a playable game.

Did you even read my post?

I didn't download and play the beta, but from my understanding the Half-Life 2 beta was buggy and had missing textures. Hmmm...sounds like a perfect canidate to benchmark.

 

[blackeye]

Did you even read my post?

Ummmmm....I think thats obvious.

The beta must have been close to a final game because it was download around the time that Valve was about to release the final game.

 

[blahblahblah]

Ummmmm....I think thats obvious.

The beta must have been close to a final game because it was download around the time that Valve was about to release the final game.

Two things

1) The leak was stolen before September 30 which means it is of an older build.
2) Half-Life 2 is a year late. It is not like they stole the build 2 months before its release.

 

[lans]

Ummmmm....I think thats obvious.

The beta must have been close to a final game because it was download around the time that Valve was about to release the final game.

News flash: Valve weren't entirely truthful.

The beta was either some very very early version - basically you can't call it a beta, stolen build would be the right word. Anyway, it has a lot of things missing, if it was complete, wouldn't have valve released the game after a couple of months only after fixing the fiasco?

 

[Asus]

Look at the stolen build of D3. The very early benchmarks on that showed Nvidia's 5900 raping a 9800pro while in truth the 9800pro does extremely well against the 5900 in the tests HardOCP showed off.
Stolen build = not good test for when the game is released.

 

[shiv]

Are you going to pay 1000 dollars for a SLI setup?

SLI will be a very niche product.

Yeah gonna do that set up for my bro inlaws puter. Should be interesting :sniper:

 

[Play4Fun]

Damn!! I just can't wait to see which card will perform better with the upcoming CS:S Beta!

If the G6800GT wins = I'm buying it!!!!!

 

[Axyon]

Ummmmm....I think thats obvious.

The beta must have been close to a final game because it was download around the time that Valve was about to release the final game.

Yeah, except Valve were planning to delay the game anyway, not just because their code was stolen.